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Well, James, short of nursing a broken leg, how have you been?
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I I uh you know, like what you just said, you took a little bit of a break.
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I uh took well I've done I've done done a few podcasts in February but other than that I've been trying to just uh
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you know put my head back on again spend time with family my son uh you know cranking out a documentary coupled with
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um the event at the National Press Club four times to Brazil in one year. Uh it's been a bit of a roller coaster ride.
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Yeah, I feel you. A lot of things went really smooth and and and great and and some things just went completely sideways. Things that are just outside
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one's one's control. But hey, you know, you you you got to go for it.
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Uh you have indeed. You have indeed. And this works out great. You know, I'm back refreshed and you were my last guest uh on the podcast at Christmas time. So we
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this is kind of like a part two, a follow-up with everything that that happened since. So, you know, the documentary, the the latest version of Moment of Contact has been out for, you
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know, a good couple of months, getting on three months. How's that been? How's the reception been with that updated version?
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It was the worst roll out of any documentary I've ever done.
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Well, no, it's okay. I mean, I was so focused on the event, the National Press Club, and there were so many things that were happening that like visas denied.
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Um uh my my my primary target witness uh having health complications.
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Um application for other visas and passports for uh the spouse of the
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spouses of of of a couple of primary people that we wanted. We had the forensic pathologist. We had the neurosurgeon. Their their wives wanted
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to come. like it was just so many things and and um and a lot was hinging on it because he was my he was my lead witness
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Dr. Italo the neurosurgeon who's still a neurosurgeon. So that was very very hectic. So I was primarily focused on
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that. Uh we had a we had a big Rogan appearance that we were going to do in January about a week prior to our big
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event and that fell through. um they they they were concerned about the language barrier and and and how we're
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going to do all that. So that was a bit of a letown. And then we had a big um uh article that was going to be published in in a very mainstream and that fell
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through as well. So you know at the end of the day you do the best you can do.
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The event itself was phenomenal. People that attended it was a packed crowd. Um there were a number of influencers there that are covering the event and that's
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but uh you know I wouldn't call it a grand slam. I'd call it a solid base hit. Okay. So what's what's the next step?
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Because I thought it was a great event and it was great to have them you know appear in in front of you know there were members of Congress there in attendance as well. It was you know at
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the National Press Club. What was the aim and do you think that was achieved and how you know what do we what do we expect next? Because I know you're not going to just leave it at that. I'm sure.
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Oh, no, no, no, no. For sure. No, I documented the whole event uh leading up to it, the event itself. Um, we had
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closed door meetings with members of Congress, people in the task force, staff members, uh, which was really cool.
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um they got to meet and shake hands with what I would consider the most significant development uh certainly in
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the history of the phenomenon as far as I'm concerned because I know we have lots of firstirhand eyewitness testimony of encounters close encounters of the
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third kind in the field but not captured live aliens that is in my opinion and correct me if I'm wrong that's a first
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so it was a extremely um significant development velment and uh and a great opportunity for members
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of Congress to meet. I mean, they took this neurosurgeon's testimony very seriously. I mean, they were asking behind the the scenes very real serious
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questions. What did it look like? How did it behave? What was the communication like? How did the communication occur? You know, what was its temperament? Like, you know, all the
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details. And they were taking it very seriously. And it's the first time I've ever seen sitting members of Congress, you know, spend an hour with a witness
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who reportedly and allegedly had face-toface, you know, 3 to four minutes contact and limited communication with a
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captured alien or a being of non-human intelligence. So, that was a big that was a big deal. You know, I if you'd asked me a couple years ago if I ever
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thought that would occur, I would have said, "No way, Jose." you know, because it's it's one thing to talk about
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unidentified flying objects, but it's another thing to talk about, you know, aliens, beings on the ground or beings,
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you know, in captivity. It it's just so I think we broke I feel that we broke new ground and uh I think the it'll re
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reverberate around the world in the next couple years. I think the significance of it will really the impact of it uh hasn't hit yet. That's my opinion.
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No, no, no. That's good to hear. Good to hear that. I mean, were there any leads for Congress to be able to act on some of the information that you provided as
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far as, you know, the aircraft that flew in and flew out of Brazil with the alleged craft on it or or whatever. Is there is there still work to be done there? And is it moving along?
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Absolutely. And we also had a sitting a senator from Brazil who's taking this case very seriously. He's looking into flight logs. He they communicated with
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uh with Congressman Berles at the event for quite a period of time. What what can we do on our end as the Americans?
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What can you guys do on your end as uh you know as a sitting senator in in Brazil? So that uh relationship was
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established and we are pushing hard to get the flight records because we have a date, we have a location. Um, we've
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managed I think it was Colonel his now his nickname is Colonel Paper Trail online and that was Colonel uh Clausen
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who was a United States Air Force Colonel fighter pilot and also had a very dramatic UFO encounter and he's been doing lots of work behind the
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scenes getting all the tail numbers for every C17 that were that were in operation in and around. Yeah. So we have so he has a list of all the tail
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numbers and he's he's working diligently behind the scenes and we're working with members of Congress to because we're like look you don't have to believe this
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event happened but how about tracking down any potential you know involvement on the American side and again we've got
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we've got a we've got a date and we have a location. So that's so that's all a work in progress. Yeah, that's really
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encouraging because I know obviously you try to get information through freedom of information and you got that strange was it CIA response.
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Yeah. Yeah. That was you know uh they it was the it was the quintessential response like we can neither confirm nor
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deny any you know national security act of 1949 blah blah blah. And it's interesting that it came back from the
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CIA too. Um, so you know, uh, also we hired a PR firm for the first time in
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Brazil and the story got a lot of traction because it happened and it wasn't by accident to coincide with the
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30th anniversary of the event, right? So it was getting lots of of of attention in Brazil at that time. And we got on
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two of the biggest platforms ever in the history of the case. You know, 23, one was like 21 million, 23 million plus
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followers doing a story on the case, interviewing Dr. Etho. And there are other doctors that we identified that
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were either a witnesses to the entity andor the footage of the entity that are
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gauging the level of response and the reaction to Dr. Oo coming forward and I remind your audience Dr. Echlo if he's
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telling the truth, you know, he's still the lead neurosurgeon at Regional
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Hospital today, right now, you know, at confessing that he's kept this secret for 30, you know, 29 years and that he
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decided after a heart attack that he wasn't going to take it to his grave.
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And I can assure you, he he is uh his testimony is is being taken seriously. And I know there are a
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lot of other doctors that are considering based on the repercussions of him coming forward as well. And I'll tell you another thing that's really cool.
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Um I was with Dr. Janini. He was the uh uh forensic pathologist that founded IPD labs and he worked with Dr. Armando. Dr.
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Armando did the autopsy on the deceased military officer. Right. And he he produced tissue samples to Dr. Janini
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who did the analysis and he talked about a very rare bacteria that is found on Earth but it's rare but it it had
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evolved in a way that he's never seen anything like it on Earth and that was a big revelation. There's also the former
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chief of police Dr. uh um so sorry excuse me uh Pedro Aguar and he was uh
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the former chief of police. We've been like I jokingly I've said this before, but it's like almost like trying to grab a bar of soap in the bathtub. We've been
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kind of, you know, trying to get to him for quite some time. He talked to us on the phone. We even got one little remote
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Zoom meeting with him. I I I I participated. We're trying to get up this photograph. We ultimately got him on camera
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uh for the new cut, which is the former chief of police. And he was like, "Look, this isn't a story. this is history. I
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participated. This happened. And he admitted to having seen the creature, but it was very nebulous as to exactly
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like what happened. So, I went back to Brazil in January uh January 21st or
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22nd and I attended a 30-year anniversary event with the mayor and and other people. And uh and then after I
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had a few extra days, me and my team, Marco and Alini, tracked down because he died. The chief of police died a few
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months after the interview. So we tracked down his family. We went to his widow. We talked to her, put her on camera, tracked down his younger son,
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got discussed it with him, and then found he had a couple of kids from a previous marriage. So we located them,
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met with them, got them on camera. they he had confessed that he had seen that he had confessed to his kids that he had
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seen the creature. It happened. It was real, but he didn't go into specifics.
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And then we found his lawyer and his lawyer went on camera for us just like January 24th or something of of this
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year and he was like, "Oh yeah, I I know the whole story." So we said, "Would you sit down and give us an interview?" And because the former chief of police was
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dead, he's like, "Yeah, I will." And so he just told us exactly what happened.
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And if you if your audience wants to hear it, it's pretty incredible.
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Yeah. I mean, there's so many people still so many people still corroborating the story after so many years from so many different places. It's not like
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they've all sat down and come up with this, you know, story out of nowhere.
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You know, this really does point to this genuinely happening and that's what's so exciting about it. And you know, there's still the elusive Eric Lopes. Is it Eric Lopes?
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Yeah. So, Eric, I found I found out something new about him recently. Yeah.
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From a former uh security guard or actually I think he's a current security guard and he talked to Eric Lopes.
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Everyone's still trying to get Eric Lopes to give a statement and we're not going to ever give up. And Eric Lopes said to this security guard, "Well, I
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was about to shoot a couple round." He did have an armed gun with him, by the way. That was confirmed. He confirmed that we suspected he did because he had his phone in one hand, then he had a
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hand below and he did have a loaded weapon with him. He was about to shoot.
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He was going to do a couple warning shots up in the sky first. Yeah. But it almost got to that point. He didn't he
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he was threatening to shoot us, but he he did confirm this is just like a month or two ago that he he uh he was going to
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shoot a couple in the in the in the air first as a as a shot across the bow. But let me go back to um the former chief of
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police Pedro because it's very interesting. So if you watch Moment of Contact and you listen to his interview in there, he he says, "I participated.
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This is an event that I participated in, but we didn't know the specifics and he did say vaguely." And I have to go back to the interview and have it fully
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translated and I will do that at some point soon and release that stuff. But he did say, "I participated and then I saw the bean." But he didn't give us any
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like maybe it was somewhat nebulous like it was under a tarp or or a net of sorts. Um he told his wife that he'd
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seen his the bean. He told his son, his 14-year-old son that he'd seen the bean.
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He told his other two kids that he'd seen the bean. And uh but they didn't know all the specifics. And they also said, the daughter and the son, the
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older son is like my age, that you know, our dad was dealt with drug dealers and gang members. He packed a gun. He wasn't
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afraid of anyone, but he was terrified of the men in suits. So, I was like, "The men in suits?" He's like, "Yeah, our our dad was terrified." And he
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didn't want to give us too much information because he was worried about our safety as well. And so, he told only one person, the full account according
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to his lawyer, what happened, how he participated in the event. And on the morning of January 20th, he was given the coordinates of something that was
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going on, something that was something extremely significant was happening. And he was and he was summoned immediately.
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He dropped everything. He drove from the I'm trying to remember the name of the town he drove in, but it was in uh it
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was in the uh state of Mus Dis probably car three hearts. And he gets to the location and he's going in by foot and he's the chief of police. He's armed.
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and he's going in and he comes upon two like young military soldiers with rifles
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guarding an area and they pull the rifles on him and threaten to shoot him, you know, to get back, get back, get back. And he pulls his gun out. He's
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like, I'm the chief of police. I'm going to have you arrested for threatening me.
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You know, so they have this standoff where he's got his gun out and he's got two guys in their probably early 20s
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pointing a gun at him and he's saying, "I'm the chief of police. I'll arrest you. And they say, you do not have authorization. Do not step any closer to
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where you are. So they have this standoff where he's got his gun and he's pointing it at these two young soldiers.
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And while this is happening, he sees two what I believe they described as firemen capturing one of the beings with a net.
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And that was in the morning. So we are now suspecting that that was the being that Dr. Italo saw on the 20th because
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Dr. Italo had the encounter with the creature more either in the morning or at midday at regional hospital. Now the
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creature according to him looked a little different. Was it a different creature? Because the other creature on the January 20th was caught around 5
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5:30 by Lopes and and and and Marco Sharice because he had described and I don't
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know because he had described the being as more white skin. He didn't describe an odor that it was peaceful, it wasn't
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scared, it was it had control of the room despite the fact that it was in captivity. Um, so I was asking myself
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like like, wait a minute, that one was alive, but that was I said he goes he was looking at it looked out the window
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twice almost like yearning to be out. it wanted to be out, not in captivity. And
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that it was a higher intelligence, he described, but he described it as a little different. The eyes were lilac, but it was teardropped. The head was
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shaped, teardrop, spindly arms, spindly legs, three and a half to four feet tall, the size of a seven-year-old kid.
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And um but I asked, you know, Dr. Italo like, "How do you mean like it was a higher
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level of intelligence?" And he just said it, you know, this is a neurosurgeon who plays piano like Mozart. He's like it was just a more advanced being. It was
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more advanced intelligence. It was just uh nonjudg non-judgmental. It understand
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it understood what was happening but it was at peace with it. Um so I started was like well they that was daylight. It
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was it was daylight. So I started putting together now we have the former chief of police talks about this event in the morning. So maybe that was the
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creature. Are they a different race or do they have like a chameleon a way to kind of change color and do they do they
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exude that that excrete that oil like almost like a skunk when it's scared and feeling vulnerable? Do they excrete that
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smell? I don't know. or was it suffering in the hot heat in that area when the girls encountered it at 3:20 in the
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afternoon on January 20th? So, I'm now convinced that that Dr. Italo uh witnessed the the creature that was
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captured in the morning. That's what I'm thinking. That's what we're all thinking. And I think there were other creatures up to up to five that were captured.
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Some of them did not make it out alive.
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I believe one of them was shot during the capture because we have testimony from Military X that the creature that he saw was deceased at Humanitas
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Hospital on or around the 20th of January. So, I don't know, man. It's an unfolding story. There's so many complexities, so many aspects of it that
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we don't understand. But for the first time, and I know correct me if I mean stop me if I'm repeating myself here,
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but we we did the Google map thing. So, we had new witnesses to the cylindrical shaped craft. And for the first time, we got out Google maps and we started
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putting like pins and all right, this is where the two farmers uh Defas Enrico
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and Oralina Defas saw the craft. Okay, where is that on the map? Boom. X. All right, we have the new Fabio Forado. All right, where is that? Boom. That's here.
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This is here. Where was the crash site?
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Boom. That was Myolini farm here. That's like as the crow flies 10 miles, 12 miles outside. So, it was like, wow, it was all lining up to make perfectly good
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sense. And we started putting those piece of puzzle together. And then on top of that, this is a fascinating part of mine that I just I'm still trying to come to terms
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with it. Um if if the accounts are to be believed from a lot of the witnesses, particularly the the the family of
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doctors, um they saw a craft flying low and slow and
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very methodically over the area where the capture, the alleged capture took place with the two military police
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officers. The area where the girls saw uh the creature came within 8 to 10 feet in broad daylight. And then you know the
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military blockade all that activity happened within a few square blocks right or a few I don't know seven to 10 blocks all that whole area and that is
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where the craft according to many many witnesses that we spoke to they kept saying and it's discshaped it wasn't cylindrical it wasn't the craft that
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crashed and it was methodically going up back and I they kept saying as if it was looking for something I was like well how do you know it was looking for something how do you know what are you
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talk oh because it was very methodical it was flying load. It was stopping, going back, grid grid pattern. And so I went back to the original version of
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Moment of Contact and I found some footage that I'd shown of a disc in 1996. And I can't remember the
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pronunciation of the name, but it's in the movie. And I was like, well, wait a minute. Where is that location? And what is the dates on that? That's J January,
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February. It was like March or April, just a couple months later. Not that far as the crow flies to the south, not in
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Virginia, but not that far. And it was doing it was flying really low. And that footage is pretty damn good footage. And
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I'm thinking to myself, wow, is this the same craft? Is this involved? Does this happen to be a coincidence or was this part of
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I know it sounds crazy, but an extraterrestrial search and rescue mission with this disc? I don't know.
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But uh we kind of made that connection as well. So again, it's a developing story. It's uh new information coming
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forward and I anticipate uh in the coming months, years, a lot more information coming forward on this case.
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Yeah, really hope so. I'm sure. I'm sure. What about the elusive videotape?
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You know, you've talked about this footage that was shot of the being in captivity. That's, you know, still got to be out there somewhere. Any leads? I
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mean, I'm sure you get many leads, but any any real progress? So, uh I think I I I showed uh hold on.
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We found we had the name of the of one of the doctors who shot one of them. This is his computer.
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Marcos Venus. Marcos Venus. He's a fellow neurosurgeon at Regional Hospital. He had a heart attack in 2018.
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We uh went to his widow's house. I heard that his house was broken into just recently. I I don't know what the dates
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are and I haven't talked to the wife about it because we didn't get a chance to see her in January. Um I thought I was possibly coming home with it. I I
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really did. This is a few months back and uh I had a guy open up the computer and the hard drive was extracted and the computer was put back together again.
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So, uh, we also have we have a couple of other names of people who allegedly have the footage or had the footage at some
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point and we have met with face to face and I'm not going to mention any names because it's ongoing and we're like, "Look, man, we think this exists. We have two people that talked about it.
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You know, there's an effort going on with family members because they know there's a big reward for the footage. We had a couple of really good leads I
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think about a year and a half ago and possibly a little bit before that and it was like people that it's hard to say,
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you know, like if someone's trying to scam you or not, but every now and again you you come across someone that sounds
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pretty legit, but I was like, look, I can't just jump on a plane and fly to Brazil. You say you have this footage, I need to see I need to see something.
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Show me a couple of frames. And we went back and forth for a while and then they they vanished. So, it could have been a scam. I don't know. And also, I feel
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like obviously it's the holy grail of the case, and there's nobody out there trying harder to get it than our team.
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But is the military one step ahead of me? Am I one step ahead of them or vice versa? Or this is ongoing? because I can assure you
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if they have threatened if the accounts are true the threats that have gone out to the the eyewitness accounts the eyewitness testimony you can imagine the
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threats people that might have some videotaped evidence or photographic evidence that is some real and I remember thinking like even if I did get
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my hands on it what would I do how would I get out of the country would I upload it to a bunch of different servers you know these are all questions but it's
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ongoing and I feel you know everyone like oh We need the video. We need the video. Otherwise, we're not going to believe any of it. Yeah, fair enough.
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But I can tell you it's like, you know, if a murder happened and you don't have a video of the murder happening, does that mean that you just have to give up?
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You know what I mean? Like, you know, I mean, people get put to the death to to people get put to death based on
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eyewitness accounts testimony. And we have a lot. I don't know how many people now have seen the bean alive, but I
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think it's somewhere six or seven that we know on camera. Oh, one more thing I'll tell you. It's pretty cool.
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Um, and remind me to talk about the Reddit event that's happening uh this Saturday because if anybody has questions
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um uh dang it, of course, I just I just lost my train of thought. Damn it. Um,
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all right. I'll come back to it. We'll we'll carry on. One thing I'll just say quickly is that, you know, Adria Disclosure
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uh was an amazing accomplishment. You know, I think uh Lou and and and Farah and everybody else involved did a a
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great job. And I know people often criticize it as a, you know, as a scop or whatever, but you know, most of the things that were said in that film
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aligned with my field research and uh and it got attention of mainstream media because of who participated in it, who
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went on camera. It's unfortunate that Marco Rubio has tried to back up a little bit, but you know, they're talking about crash retrieval, talking about entities. I can't think of a
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better, more well-documented case that's going to either prove or disprove than the Varini incident because, you know,
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it's it's recent enough. And there's far more well, most of the people aren't dead. And there are far more eyewitness
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accounts than there ever were with Roswell. And other than what is it, Colonel Corso talked about seeing the deceased creatures in Texas in in 47.
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Um, I think there was a deathbed statement or or not maybe not deathbed, maybe it was an affidavit that was signed by Glenn Dennis
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uh after he died that came out about um the beans and who was it? Uh M. Brazzle,
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I think the rancher had jokingly said to somebody, you remember those little green aliens they always talk about?
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They ain't green, you know. But we don't really have other than a few, you know, we don't really have any firsthand
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eyewitness testimony that I can think of or very limited of the of the creatures of the aliens of the entities, right? I
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mean, so there's a lot more firstirhand eyewitness testimony, you know, than there ever was with Roswell.
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Yeah. No, I agree. I mean, it does.
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Venia fits in with every other conversation that's been sort of happening recently. like you said, crash retrievals, age of disclosure. What are
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your thoughts on the recent comments by former President Barack Obama and then subsequently Donald Trump coming out and commenting on that? Did what did you think of that?
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Well, it was funny because I was rather giddy about it because I was like, "Oh boy, here we go." You know, this is interesting. When have we ever had two
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presidents talking about aliens? just the fact they're talking about it, you know, and I kind of saw that building up and I think that Trump was like, "Oh,
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I'm going to one up this guy because why is he getting all the attention? I'm the president, right?" And then for him to just basically say, "Well, he released
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classified information." It's like, "Well, if it ain't true, it can't possibly be classified. So, what did you
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just say?" You know, and uh and and you know, it's encouraging.
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I think people are feeling I know certainly a couple of people that have remained in the shadows are starting to
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feel emboldened a bit that the president is now talking about it. I know there's legislation that's being written up.
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Hopefully, we need to get it passed that will provide additional protection for whistleblowers. Not just, you know,
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their security clearances. you know, people feel threats for their their their their personal safety, their family safety, their clearances, their
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their their way of putting food on the table. Um, but they're also talking now of of potential compensation, financial compensation. So, if they do lose
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everything by coming forward, they won't, you know, their family won't starve. And I think that's incredibly important. So, I know that's happening
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behind the scenes. And there's also I can't I don't know how much of it's come out so I I got to be mindful of what I say but I do know that the executive
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branch has given authorization on a number of potential sites that are housing allegedly alien technology and
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the green that's been green lit and I at at this date I believe at least one or two locations has already been gone to and I I need to follow up with some of
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the people. Yeah. And they said, "Look, if we get there and it's a big empty hanger, we're going to be asking a lot of questions." Eric Berles has recently said about this
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giant UFO that's had the building built over the top of it that he's going to be going to visit that location. So, you know, that's Well, I know that there are other
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locations in the United States that it's already happened, at least one, and I again, I'll have to get the followup on that. So, you know, look, it's it's um a
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lot of people are concerned that that the release of these so-called classified files, sensory data, is in
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the hands of Arrow. That concerns me a little bit. Um I actually recently reached out to Arrow and I'm going to do it through Susan Goff and I got like,
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hey, we will participate in any kind of public event provided we get approval from Susan Goff. I don't know if she'll give us approval, but we're going to be
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reaching out to her very soon. Um, and we'll just keep doing everything that we can do. Um, I think it's at some point
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uh that we should as a community because there's so much mudslinging going on in this community that we should focus on a
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common common objective and stick together and try to make that objective a reality. Like I'll give you an example.
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people feel really frustrated that there are all these incredible allegations made by, you know, the likes of, you know, I'll just throw out a couple of
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names, Eric Davis, uh, you know, Lou Alzando, Hal Putoff, uh, David Grush,
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um, of Crash Retrieval, and yet, you know, all the specific details to verify their claims is classified, and they're
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unable to, um, you know, provide those specifics because their hands are tied.
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Well, What can we do as the community to uh rally behind
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uh creating a platform that uh would enable them to give these specifics like you know Eric Davis said
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he goes hey yeah man if the president of the United States waved his magic wand and gave me immunity and I was subpoenaed I'd testify tomorrow and I'd give it all out. So instead of
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criticizing like I see all these like you know Michael Shurmer and and and and uh Neil Degross Tyson like ah you know
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how about how about we we we give them the benefit of the doubt and we create an environment that would enable them to give us because the stakes are so high.
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We we we create an environment how about focusing on that because let's call their bluff. you know, you don't believe him, fine. Mainstream, you don't that
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that's fine. That you can criticize all you want, but let's how do we how do we circumn that big obstacle? And I think
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that that is something that we should focus on in within the community. And I think that we should, you know, come up with a very specific plan and then all
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work together to make that happen. Our our representatives want to hear from us, too. So they need to know that their constituents are behind their efforts
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because in the past this topic hasn't exactly been career enhancing.
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No. Indeed. And you know everything takes time and I think sometimes people give it a certain amount of time and then they give up. I've waited long enough. I'm I I now don't believe you
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because you haven't produced anything and it's like they just cut it off. You know, unfortunately things do take a lot longer than than maybe some people are
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happy to wait for. But, you know, I think you got to be in it for the long game if you're serious about getting to that that end goal. So, yeah, I agree with what you're saying.
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And I' and I've said this before. It's like I feel like I feel everyone's frustration. I'm right there with you.
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And uh but we have had four congressional hearings. We've had presidents now talk about it. We've had President Trump say he wants the files released. Um there are things happening.
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there's getting, you know, age of disclosure really got a lot of mainstream attention. That's that's
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unprecedented. you know, uh, when I put out the phenomenon in 2020, at the end of 2020, I I got quite a bit of
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mainstream, you know, coverage, uh, two years later when I put out the the moment of contact, I I think I got one
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Fox News interview, but other than that, it was more grassroots because I don't think the mainstream knew even how to
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process this claim. Like, I don't I think they just like I don't blame them because like I wrote it off too, right, for over a decade. So, I can I can only
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imagine where their headsp space is like, oh, why millions? Like, are you kidding me? Like, come on. Let's keep it real here. So, you know, um
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there's that there's that it can't be, therefore it isn't, uh attitude. And I, you know, that's fair enough. I I I
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don't I don't blame them. You know, that's just come territory. Baby steps.
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That's it. I mean, everyone's different, you know. I I certainly have the patience and I'm I'm willing to continue doing my small part in all of this to
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see it right through to the end. And I think we've got a good a lot of other people in the community that are on the, you know, working in the same vein. So, yeah, we'll see. We'll see.
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I I feel like these next six to nine months are going to be critical. Um, as much as I'd like to
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kind of, you know, pull back and just enjoy being
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with my family a bit more, uh, I feel like now is not the time to do that. I mean, yes, I'm doing that, but
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that I can't I need we all as a community need to really push uh hard right now in the coming coming months or
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whatever year. And I don't know like if if Democrats get control of the House and maybe the Senate. I mean, we do have Schumer on the on the Senate side who's
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been an advocate for transparency. Um I think that's one of the things that he recently agreed with with Trump, which
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is cool. It's nice to see bipartisanship on this topic. So, I'm hoping that if the Democrats do get control of the
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House that they will continue this push, like Congressman Burles in particular.
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Congressman Burlesson was the biggest skeptic on the first UFO hearing. I think that was with Congressman Carl.
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No, was that was that the second hearing? I remember Burlesson was the biggest skeptic in the in the audience or the you know in the uh you remember
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that it it must have been the it must have been the 2023 congressional hearing where he Berles
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was like the biggest skeptic in the in the crowd. Do you remember that?
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maybe. But yeah, I know he's really come out of his shell, hasn't he?
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He's really come out of his shell. And I' I'd be curious to know um what if he did get into a skiff with
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Grush. Now, I do know I believe it was Luna.
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You know what? Maybe it was Berles and Luna that went into a skiff with Grush.
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I'm pretty, now that I'm thinking about it, I think it was. And I remember asking him on the last congressional hearing, the fourth congressional hearing, which I think it was in the end
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of 2024, and I remember asking him on the on the floor afterwards, um, hey, did you ever get a chance to get into a skip with Grush? And he's
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like, yeah, we did. And he said I said, well, and he's like, it it it was sobering.
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I I I should find out more about that, but I did ask him. 99.9% sure that Berles and Luna or maybe it was Mason,
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Luna, and Berles, definitely Luna, sorry, I wish I get my facts more correct here, but I'm pretty I'm pretty damn sure they did get to go into a
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skiff and and I I think he described it as being pretty pretty sobering, you know. Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead. Now, as I
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say, you've got this event coming up um when by the time this goes out, I think it'll be tomorrow, which will be Saturday, March 7th. You've got this AMA
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online with Berles and Leslie Kane as well. What can you tell us about that?
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Well, it's a great opportunity and I I I think it's the first big public event that I'm doing with a city members of Congress and and a real proponent of
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transparency, Burlesen. And I think it's a great opportunity to, you know, people should, if you have the link, you should provide that here. People get in some
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questions and speak directly. We'll we'll ask those questions to a city member of Congress. What What are you frustrated about? What would you like to see happen? How will it go about? How
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can we make this happen? What can we do as a community to support your efforts?
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I think these are questions that that that should be asked. And it's a great opportunity to to allow people to do that. And I want to organize more and
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more of these types of events as we lead up to, you know, u any potential release of of what we all want to see released.
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Yeah, absolutely. It can only but help the cause for 100%. It's it's a great opportunity. So, I will do my best to make sure the link is below uh for
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people whether they're watching this before it happens or after. I'll do my best to get it get it below. Well, I'll remind your audience to go to because I
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I post everything on my ex account and I try to monitor my my Instagram account, but I've got a couple of youngsters that
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that run that generally. But, uh, if you go to my ex, which is jamesc
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as in Charlie, James Cox, and that's my ex account, and I always post links. I Yeah, I always post everything relevant to my ex account.
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Wonderful. Wonderful. Well, James, I have got quite a lot of questions from people on X actually. So, if you don't mind, we'll jump through a few of those.
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Um, so first off, Grant Lavac, uh, he says, "Next month marks the 60th anniversary of the West case, and to
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date, the Australian government and Department of Defense hasn't provided any documentary evidence or any explanation for what was observed in the
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sky above West High School. Given your research on the case, do you think the Australian government will ever be transparent on what really happened?
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You know, when I interviewed the science teacher Greenwood,
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um, he had talked about a visit that he'd gotten from some men in suits. One of them was in uniform and two men in suits. And I wasn't sure if
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one or two of them were Americans. I I I I I don't recall, but I do know that
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that there was a a significant and serious effort to to shut that story down. And I suspect uh and it was
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interesting actually because when we when we looked at the dates and I think that event happened I think it was uh April April 6th. Yeah.
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So I did the I did the the calculations when I was doing the phenomenon and I was like wait a minute that would have happened right around the time the last
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congressional hearing in the United States 1966. They were just coming out of that hearing when there was a landing
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happening in Australia. And and I got to I got to a guy named James Kibble who
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allegedly took well he took a a Polaroid of what had to be that similar craft. He described it exactly like all the other witnesses at the Westall Primary School.
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Was that the one on its side?
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Yeah. James Kibble had described it. He was an engineer. He said he it was kind of floating down like this and it got
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his eye reflected the sun and it kind of that's what got his attention to it. And he looked up and he saw this discshaped
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thing kind of floating down. He said like a leaf almost. And then he was like, "My god," you know, and he grabbed his Polaroid camera because he was
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documenting, and I'll get to the re relevance of this in a second. He was documenting the the garden for his mother with
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Polaroids, like how you know how the garden was coming along. And he in his haste, he hit his face with the Polaroid
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camera to get a shot of it, clicked the shot, and as doing so, it flipped up.
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So, it was going down like this and then it flipped up and that's when he took the picture. And then a beat later he said it rocketed away like it was being
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shot out of the barrel of a gun. And he goes, "You know, the last time I was I met with anyone was James
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McDonald, the phys the uh atmospheric physicist James McDonald from the United States. He was there in I believe it was
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1966. I don't know if when he died. He died in like 70 or late 60s, but James McDonald was the last person to
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interview him. So that was a high level of American interest clearly. And I don't know what his connection was or wasn't to Project Blue Book at the time.
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We'd have to look that one up. So there was definitely an American presence investigating that case. And there was definitely a huge effort to squash it.
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There were threats made to the scientist uh at the school uh Mr. Greenwood and uh
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so I suspect there would be records both in um Australia and records in in the
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United States and I think it's a I think that's a great idea if there's anybody out there listening particularly uh Shane Ryan who did the documentary
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amazing documentary on the case thank you Shane Ryan and um uh James um why am I drawing a blank right now
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Rney Rick James Riggnney yeah that I think that uh I That would be a great undertaking would be to I don't know do they have
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foyer or foil like requests in in Australia. I think that that should be done. I I think that would be a brilliant idea. I think now better than
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now better than ever before would be a great time to do that. John Greenwood if you're listening.
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Next question. I actually I think sorry before I think Grant who asked that question has probably more than likely sent those freedom of information
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requests out in the past because uh he's Australian. I know he does a lot of lot of good work out there. So I'd love to hear if he gets any kind of response at all. I'd love to know.
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There we go. Absolutely. Next question comes from Mysterious Planet. That's Scott. He says, "Do you think the general public can handle disclosure
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knowing that we are being visited by a non-human intelligence? There is a different mindset between believing and knowing. Can the general public handle that potentially very confronting news?
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You know, we we just did this event at the National Press Club in January of this year, January 20th. It was coincided with the 30th anniversary of
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the of the Varia case. and we were
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about to have someone talk about the potential onlogical shock that will come from
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disclosure. I personally haven't like
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taken that threat seriously, but other people that have really like analyzed and studied this phenomenon
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have. And I remember talking with Bigalow about it years ago at his home in Las Vegas and I was probably in my
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late 30s at the time and I was just wrapping up that two-hour special for uh I know what I saw uh the History Channel
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special and he that caught his attention and he actually invited me to have lunch at his house and he talked to me about the impact that this story would have on
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the world population and I remember him talking about religious institutions financial institutions talked about collapse. She was like,
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"Take every scandal you've ever heard in the history of the world, in the modern world, and multiply that by a thousand, and that's the impact the story would
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have." Now, at the time, I was thinking to myself, you know, I don't really believe that. I think it would be a
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really unifying thing uh moment. And I'm perhaps just what you know
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we the the people that our race the species of this planet need as sort of a a unifying moment to know that we're not
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alone that there's an outside you know and uh that's the way I've kind of always looked at it. But people that I trust, you know, people that have looked
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into it like Hal put off and had talked about it. Not just the onlogical shock of it, but the, you know, the technology
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for instance, if we did recover this technology that's, you know, the pros and cons of releasing that, uh, you
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know, the impact that it would have on a religion and all, like I said, financial, all these things. So now I'm kind of leaning more in the in the
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direction of I think it would be really shocking to a lot of people. I think we'd get over it, but uh I think it
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would be pretty shocking. Yeah, I do. I mean particularly particularly if they're walking among say they are, but you know that would be pretty shocking.
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Did Bigalow say anything about that to you when you were at that meeting?
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Because he said that publicly, didn't he on that 60 minutes? Well, he didn't say it publicly, but he said it to me, but he didn't tell me not to talk about it.
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And so, after like a decade, I was like, I'm going to talk about it. He said they're walking among us. And again, to your audience, James Fox says they're
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walking among No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that Bigalow told me that they're walking among us. Because I said, what do you mean by that? He goes,
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I mean exactly that they are walking among us. And if that's true, boy, that would be a shocker. Could you imagine?
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that. Yeah, they probably have like apps being sold that you could point at people that would determine if they're non-human intelligence or if they're are
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you real? Hold on a second. I gotta scan you. You know, oh my goodness, that'd be crazy. Wow. I know.
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Next question is from Nile Dunn. Has James ever looked at the evidence around the Cash Land case?
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It's a fantastic case. What was that, 1986 or something? Somewhere around there. Yeah.
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Yeah. all the burns and they were hospitalized and the and the radiation like Jesus. I I haven't done a deep dive into that case.
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I know there were a lot of helicopters that were spotted. I mean, there was a lot of military activity around it. Was there was it a super secret craft that
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was developed by us or was it was it extraterrestrial or whatever non-human intelligence? Um, that's a fascinating
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case. I I don't know that much about it, but I know that something extraordinary happened and there was a a technology witnessed by a number of people that
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were affected directly by it, which I I guess would be considered a close encounter of the second kind. Kind of like Richard Dvis, you know, when his face was burned, that kind of stuff.
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Fascinating case, but but I don't I don't know enough about it.
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No, I'm I'm of the same. Definitely a great case. There's a follow-up question from Nile there that says, "Why do you believe there is so much taboo against
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experiencer accounts?" You know, I feel bad because when we were at the event,
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um, uh, author of Communion, I know him.
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Yeah. Whitley Streber. Whit Whitley Streber was there. It was great. He's very, very supportive and I have n so
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much respect for him. and he wanted to ask a question about experiencers and I
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have nothing but tremendous respect for experiencers but I felt that we were already pushing the envelope so
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far with allegations of face-to-face contact with a captured alien, a captured live alien and limited communication. I felt like that was
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already like hard for mainstream to process that if we started talking about abductions and things of this nature
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that that would be the only thing that any media that we had there would focus on. And so I was like perhaps we can
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just like steer clear of that and let's focus more on the witnesses that are here today. uh because that's already a
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hard pill to swallow for the mainstream that we're we're already pushing the envelope so much. Do you know what I mean? So, but I have tremendous respect
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and I know a lot of experiencers and that's a really tough one. But I've been if you look at the progression of my movies, I've gone from just objects on
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the sky, then it was like, okay, objects that landed, you know, blah blah blah, and then like a decade, decade and a half, then it's like, okay, close
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encounters of the third kind. I c I I I I covered a couple in the phenomenon and then I went all in on, you know, alleged
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crash and live aliens, but I haven't done a deep dive at all in alleged, you know, these so-called abduction cases.
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But I'll tell you, I'll say this really quickly and we'll move on. I had
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um met with probably in 2007, 2008, Bud Hopkins. He was very excited when he
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came to the event at the National Press Club that I did with Leslie Kaine in uh 2007. And Leslie and him were partners
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at the time. And uh he was showing me these drawings that he had these experiencers do that were under hypnosis, I guess.
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And uh he had them draw these drawings.
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What do you see on the craft? What do you see from the table? What do you see?
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And they were drawing these symbols on the craft. And I'm telling you, like they were all from around the world.
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They were all people, none of these people knew each other. They were drawing a slightly different variation of the same symbol. Like it was really
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compelling. Like I was really moved by that. I thought this is the most compelling evidence that I've seen that really like wow, how is that possible?
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How could all these people be drawing relatively the same thing from they don't know each other from allegedly on
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the craft. So that was really compelling really compelling stuff. So I think that I would love to see a deep dive a
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mainstream deep dive into it but I don't know if the general public's ready for that right now. They're trying to just accept this and that's you know what I mean?
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Definitely. You know that's the thing.
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It isn't just one thing disclosure. It's it's every little step and you know like you said you you started your films by just the craft in the sky.
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I mean that would be the a good starting point and then you go through and work out the depth of the subjects when it comes to everything that's happened and
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everything that's talked about. It's depth I was telling you like you know I've got moment of contact New Revelations of alien encounters. Okay,
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that's the first time I've ever used the word alien in any film I've ever made.
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And I thought carefully about that. It wasn't something that I easily did. That was a big step. And honestly, I'm having
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more trouble getting mainstream coverage on this film than any film I've ever done. And it's because I don't I think
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people are reluctant to want to. And I don't blame them. I I really don't. You know, I'm going to put it out there anyway. and I'm going to put my reputation on the line for this and I
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know that I'm going to be I know people are going to distance themselves and but it'll they'll come around. Uh they'll come around. I've seen this pattern
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before. You know, they'll come around. I mean, look, when we put out the first cut of Moment of Contact, you know, my phone wasn't ringing. I
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mean, and I remember, you know, I'd been on Rogan with the phenomenon with Jacqu Valet and that was amazing. And that was
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dealing with, you know, people reporting close encounters of the third kind. I mean, particularly the case in Rua Zimbabwe in 1994. I mean, that's, you
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know, that's I was worried that a lot of the mainstream people like particularly Senator Harry Reid was going to say,
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"Remove me from this movie." But that that's come around since then. And then since the moment of contact was released, we've had congressional
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hearings, people stating that there is a crash retrieval program. I mean, I was I was teared up that day because, you know, I didn't think I'd see the day.
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And so, now we're talking about communication, you know, face tof face communication with a captured live alien. I mean, you know, I don't Are
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people ready for it? Mainstream certainly doesn't seem to be. I don't know. I I think maybe I think maybe this film will get more traction in in, you
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know, in the coming months, year. I out of the blue didn't really get pop get a lot of traction till three or four years after it came out.
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Right. Okay. Well, that's encouraging then. I mean, yeah, just going by my past uh you know,
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experiences and uh I think that um I think that this new cut, hey man, in a
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lot of people's eyes, that's a pretty extraordinary statement.
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I mean, fortunately, it's coming from a neurosurgeon that I can't find a motive for him to lie.
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He's not selling anything. He's not asking money for his story. He's still conducting brain surgery as the head
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neurosurgeon at the hospital. He'd have to be lying to his to his wife. And I've met his wife. I've met over Zoom calls
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his kids, his daughter, like his co-workers, his colleagues, hospital staff. He's got to be lying to
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all of them. For what motive? What does he have to gain? I mean, I don't know, man. I think that I think that the the
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significance of his testimony is going to be is going to reverberate for quite some time. I really do. I don't think it's sunk in yet.
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Yeah, I really hope so, too. And I really hope that this is a continuous a continuously evolving case and though we do get further with it because you know
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it's just you put in so much work and there's been so many people involved and it'd be great to reap the rewards of all of that. So fingers crossed.
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I will say one more thing on that is that I I'm um there are efforts that are happening behind the scenes
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um that I'm personally working with to find the Americans involve invol potential involvement. So, that's
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ongoing. I'm not going to just walk away from this case. Hello. I mean, come on.
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I'm This is This This in my opinion is the case that's going to settle this debate. It's just we got to keep digging.
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Yeah, absolutely. It has all the potential and and everything to be the one. Definitely. I I agree. I really I really hope that you get get further with it. I really do.
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That we get further with it. We get Yeah, there you go. Not about me. Uh listen, thank you so much, brother.
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always always great hearing from you and speaking with you. So, I really appreciate you joining me. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me on, Vinnie.