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let's not waste any more time. Uh, I want to welcome back to the show a good friend and guest, Mr. Chris Ramsey. Chris, what is up, brother?
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What's going on, dude? Thanks for having me. That intro, by the way, is amazing.
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I love that intro so much. Gave me goosebumps.
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Thank you. Oh, I appreciate it. Yeah, I've got a a really close friend who uh it's funny. It's a story. I used to know him like 15, 20 years ago. And I found
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out that he was really deep into this subject. And he was like, "Dude, if I can ever help out in any way, I've got this skills." And he did this intro for me. And I was just like so stoked.
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Use him more. He's amazing. Yeah, he is really good. Yeah. No, thank you, man. I appreciate it. But listen, Chris, uh I just wanted to get you back on. You
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know, we always have a really great conversations and I thought it'd be fun just to kind of get to see where your head's at with everything, everything
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you've been up to. But I'd like to start with talking about it's probably nothing. Your live show that you've done
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quite a lot of of tours or a couple of tours, a lot of venues now. So, you know, in this subject, we've had
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conferences being the kind of things that people can attend in person, and it was such a breath of fresh air to see that you'd created this new format where you're on stage. And do you know what?
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I'll let you talk about it, but tell us how the idea came about.
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Yeah. Uh, well, like you said, there's, you know, if you if you're into music, you can go to concerts. If you're into sports, there are sporting events, and
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there's basically something for everyone. Uh but what there isn't is something for people who enjoy UFOs other than conferences which are great
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but sort of these events you know like just like a one night only uh you know get the kids babysack get a hotel room
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you know um sort of go to a restaurant or whatever make some reservations and and just have a night out and you know
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the thing about conferences they're a lot of fun you meet a lot of people and that type of thing but I I always feel like there's like this like serious
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nature of these talks talks a lot, which is a serious topic, but it's fun to just get out and let loose and have fun, have
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a laugh, and and just be in a different environment that isn't so stuffy and,
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you know, using that and then playing with that a little bit. Like, we hire actors that'll roam around. Uh we have, you know, all sorts of bells and
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whistles, surprise guests, uh people coming in to open the show like a magician or some fringe act. And you know, we try to keep it fun and light
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and it's my favorite thing to do. I I really enjoy seeing people who have nowhere else to turn with this stuff because most of the people who come to
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these shows haven't even been to a conference. Like it's they they don't get out for this stuff and they they took a chance and they said, "You know what? Let's
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just do it. Heck with it." And they have an amazing time and it's just so much fun to watch them connect between themselves like in the audience. you
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meet people that you might know on Discord or through your channel and you know seeing that vibe pop off in person is just like my favorite thing.
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Yeah, it looks so great. Um you know I think you've put some some of the shows online as well. Um
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what um you know you obviously have like a guest on stage as well but you also bring audience members up as well. So tell us a bit about that because they
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must have said some pretty amazing things. Yeah, that idea comes from so on on my channel uh every video almost every video begins with a phone call. So
Chapter 3: Sharing personal stories
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I have this 1-800 number that people call into and they speak about their experience in just a couple minutes. We try to trim it down to like a minute.
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And it's been a lot of It's one of my favorite things about the channel are those phone calls because you never know
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who's going to call whether someone working on the inside or, you know, someone who's had like an induction experience or just some high strangess
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or Bigfoot or whatnot. And it's it's been my favorite thing because it shows people that this isn't just happening to people who write books.
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Um, this isn't just happening to people who have podcasts or who are on TV or making a movie. This happens to thousands, hundreds of thousands of
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people across the world. And it's funny that, well, it's fun rather that we can show that uh in every city I go to. Um,
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we reach out to the ticket buyers and we say, "Hey, if you're comfortable, you know, submit your story." And then I get like 30 or 40 of them per show. And so I
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have to go through them, read the stories, and I'll usually pick one or two.
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And then we have this interview with, you know, some local spice, some local flavor, and the stories are amazing. And
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they're often just these incredible stories, and sometimes they bring pictures and videos and just things that no one's ever seen. And so it's
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refreshing to get that as well. I think for me that is my favorite part of the show uh is is that because the guests are cool obviously you know love having
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them because it's a familiar face but this unknown factor I think it's just the best thing would you say there's one story that
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stands out from all of them if you had to choose one yeah there's a few the one we had in Montreal was pretty good because he um
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him and his wife were driving out to Area 51 they went down to Rachel they went to the you know the back gate And as they were there, they see this like
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triangular craft and it was like hovering and they're like, "Oh my god." And and you know, they're hitting each other. Look at that. Look at that. And all of a sudden,
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they got hit by this like sonic. Their whole body started vibrating on the inside. They were very scared. They got in the car and they got the hell out of there.
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So they thought by like some DEW or something. And then as they're driving, they see this disc in the sky flying
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lower than the mountain and they film it. And so we showed that on stage and it you could it's hard to make out but
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it is an object. It's clearly flying and it's much larger than a bird because it's in the distance and it's lower than the mountain range. So whether that's a
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military test or you know something else I don't know but they did catch something and I thought that was pretty cool.
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That is pretty cool. A triangle and a disc in one visit. Like that's pretty cool.
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The gentleman too um he so he claimed to have an implant and this is a guy he's like he's never talked about any of this before. or him and his girlfriend were
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pretty like removed from this topic and they were like, "Heck with it. These people seem cool. Let's talk about it." And he brought a magnet to show everybody that the magnet would stick to his ear.
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And so that was like it was it was kind of funny because it felt like some like an act almost, right? It was like what's going on here? But it was it was really
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cool to see that in person and to to witness people being comfortable talking about this phenomenon in a way that they never have been before.
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That's amazing, man. I I love that as well. I think that is really nice to hear from people who aren't in the spotlight or and maybe local to to certain cities. But yeah, really good.
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So yeah, you've done the tour already, but you've got one coming up. Tell us a little about a bit about the one that's coming up and maybe some of the guests and things you've got lined up.
Chapter 4: Upcoming tour and guests
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Sorry you cut out for a little bit there, Vidy. I missed part of that question.
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Oh, right. Okay. I was just going to say you've got the West Coast shows coming up soon. So just tell us a bit about what you've got planned, maybe some of the guests you've got lined up.
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Sure. Yeah. So, we're starting off in Tucson, Arizona on the 8th, I believe, or the 9th of August. And that'll be
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John Ramirez, former CIA, you know, intel guy. Uh he'll be coming up and that'll be co-hosted by Josh Polarity,
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who's, you know, another uh podcaster in this space, another researcher. He's a lot of fun. And then we'll be going to,
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I believe, LA. In LA, I'm welcoming uh Daryl Anka as Bashar.
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Yeah. So, I think I think he'll be channeling um Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I think that's the deal.
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Um so, I'm very excited about that. I I you know, it's it's a mixed bag with people's reaction to this, but as you know, as a lot of people know, watch my
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stuff. Suspension of disbelief is something I practice a lot of, and I'm happy to entertain this idea, and if
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nothing else, it'll be highly entertaining. And I'm very I'm very much looking forward to that and asking some pressing questions to, you know,
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potential alien. Who knows? Um, and then we're moving on to San Francisco. We're bringing up Whitley Streber in San Francisco as well as some other surprise guests. And then we're going to Seattle.
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Uh, in Seattle, I think I have Michael Masters coming in. Uh, so I'm very excited about that as well as two other surprise guests. And then finishing it
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off in Vancouver, uh, with some I think there's like three of us there as well.
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So, couple surprising one. You might want to if you're in the Portland area, you might want to buy a
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ticket to Portland. You're you're going to enjoy the show.
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That's awesome, man. I like that. Yeah, like you said, you know, uh you suspend your your beliefs and disbelief, whichever way you put it. And you're not
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afraid to speak to people who some might consider, you know, too much or they don't believe. And I I really appreciate
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that. You recently did an interview with Michael Horn.
Chapter 5: Navigating controversial guests
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Um yeah, about the Billy Meer stuff. And that that was a brave move, man. I've I've interacted with Michael online and said, you know, I I struggle with this and
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that. And unfortunately, he got quite he gets aggro.
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He gets very aggro very quick. And so, okay, I'm not engaging any further.
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I I've been having that back and forth after that pod, believe it or not. Oh, really?
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Yeah. Cuz I, you know, I was like, "Hey, here's a platform. Say what you got to say." I brought him on because of Bob
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Lazar's interest in the Billy Meyer photos, the original ones. When Bob was on the show, you know, we we looked at the Billy Meyer picture book and he
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goes, "That's the craft." He's like, "I don't care what anyone says. This particular one is the craft." So, that's the one I worked on. So, I don't know how he got that. How? Like, what's going
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on here? And so, I wanted to hear it from the person closest to Billy that I could find, uh, which was Michael Horn.
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He had reached out saying, "Hey, you know, you talked about you talked about Billy and his ears were burning." So, I said, "All right, come on. Let's just talk about it." And but then you know
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comes the wedding cake UFO comes all this other stuff which you know and he's adamantly
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adamantly says that oh no we've had photographic experts look this over and I'm like they need to get their eyes checked. This is not this is not I mean
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clearly it's it's fake. Um and but I'm a respectful person. I'm not gonna push back in person. I'm going to let him
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sort of say what he has to say and I will voice my concerns. But then once I feel push back, I'm like, "Okay, it's fine. It's not, you know, it's not for me." Um, I I give you the platform to
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say what you have to say. Let the audience make the decision, which I think they did. Um, and so yeah, for me,
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it's I don't mind because I think people can use their own discernment and should
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do. Um, you know, perhaps people who get angry at people like Michael Horn or or someone else. Um, perhaps there's some
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work on themselves they have to do on how that information is filtered. You know, work on letting go. Work on just
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not taking that information as the truth. And just it's okay. It's information regardless. And it'll provide data. Uh whether it's true or
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not true, you're still getting data. and uh you're able to then parse through that data uh more clearly. You know, if
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you if you don't listen to anything, I mean, obviously, you're not going to learn anything. And I think the more you
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listen, the more you understand people, even someone like Michael Horn or some other guest that might be a little abrasive, let's say. Um, I think the
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more you listen to someone, the more you understand them perhaps and where they're coming from, and then the more
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empathetic you become towards them, and that doesn't mean you have to believe what they say, but that means perhaps you can start understanding where they're understanding where they're
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coming from, and that just helps you be a kinder, better person. I I I don't think there's any merit to um you know
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completely shutting away someone, but you know, you do have to use your own judgment uh while watching these things and and just like yourself or just like someone as big as Joe Rogan.
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Yeah.
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Don't assume that Joe agrees with everybody that comes on his podcast. You know, that's a that's a big mistake a lot of people do. they they associate
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that with the guest and it's like no, we're having conversations with people on all sides of this wacky spectrum. And so, yes, sometimes you're going to get
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things that you're very opposed to and other times you're going to get things that you agree with, but believe it or not, there are people who are going to have opposite feelings about both of those things. So, yeah.
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Yeah. And I can imagine you got that, you know, with having Bob Lazar on the show. I imagine your comments were a mixture of people that 100% believe Bob,
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people that 100% don't, and then maybe a few sort of scattered in the middle there. And it it's it's everywhere in this subject. And for some reason, there
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are certain people out there that just can't understand that someone might have a different view than you. You know, we're all on our own path. And I don't
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know why that's so baffling to people, but it's unfortunately the case.
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Yeah, it is. sometimes you know I I give I give that a lot of thought because I think what it comes what it boils down to is you know everybody has established
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this sort of foundation in their life uh upon which they build their personality their belief system
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their ontology everything is built on this foundation that is so concretized over time that anything coming into the
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mix that jeopardizes the foundation I mean that's a very dangerous thing because now you're jeopardizing not only the foundation issued everything that's
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stacked up on top of it. So, you're asking me to rearrange everything that I've ever stacked on top of this very
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very firm, you know, foundation. That's a lot to ask of someone. And so, they rightfully they get a little defensive.
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My foundation I found to be very mutable, um, modular. Like, I I don't mind my
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entire world view being completely shifted at a moment's notice. I think it's fun. And I think I'm a little
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perhaps a little nihilist or perhaps a little dowist. I don't know. I I just don't think it matters that much because at the end of the day, you know, as long
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as you're a good person, like what what does it really matter, you know, what belief is? It's an opinion and it's a binary system. Let's just like do away with it. Have fun.
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Take these things head on and and have a laugh sometimes, have a cry, whatever. Uh but learn something throughout the process.
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Completely agree. And I think the more that I've been in this subject, it's become easier and easier for me to to change my mind, not be afraid to change
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my mind or opinions on cases, individuals, and so on and so forth. Um I you know, it's not that difficult and like you said, it doesn't really matter.
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I think it's shows character.
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Yeah, exactly. And and you know, it's interesting because you say it's not that difficult and I don't think it's difficult either, but I've I've come to learn that for some people it really is
Chapter 6: The value of fluid beliefs
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challenging. And um and so I' I've become a little sensitive to those people to be like, okay, this is um the type of person you are or or
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at least presently. And you've got something that you got to work through to get to that point where you can just sort of push that aside. And and I don't
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understand your story, your struggle, where you're from. So I'm not going to attempt to be that person. Um, my content's there if you need it, if you
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want it, if you seek it. And if you don't, that's fine, too. You know, you can do curse at it, throw stones at it, do whatever you want. That's fine. But,
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uh, but yeah, I think I think it's not something that everybody has innately. I think that that's really a special thing that you have that I might have in that
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a lot of people who, you know, follow our channels share as well that they have that ability to, you know, interchange and be sort of Yeah. just fluid when it comes to these ideas.
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Yeah. Do you think some people might see it as weakness having to change their mind or opinion and so they double down rather than admit, okay, maybe I didn't
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look at that in the right way or do you know what I mean?
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Yeah. I don't know. Um, I don't know. I don't know that that's uh maybe for them considered a weakness perhaps, but not
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for me. I think it's a strength to to to have something like that and to be able
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sort of to have these really deeply existential conversations that although leave an imprint on your
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own soul, you know, in some way because they're so deep. but at the same time being able to sort of brush it off and go on with your day. I think that that
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takes great strength and and great practice more than more than anything.
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I agree completely. That kind of leads me into my next question. Is there anything that has
Chapter 7: Evolution of UFO perspectives
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you know or what's changed most maybe when thinking about this subject for you in maybe the last 12 months if anything?
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What's changed most? I would say I would say you know the more I look into this stuff the more I and I think this is a
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natural progression. I think many people you've probably been through this as well probably a long time ago but um the
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idea that what we're dealing with is um isn't you
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know how Dr. Julia Mossbridge. I I just had a conversation with her recently and she put it like uh it's not just race
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cars in the sky, you know, and so I I think there's more to it. Um I like the idea. Here's the thing. when you hear
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about Jacqu Valet or Diana Pasulka or um even people I would I would go so far as
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to say Terrence McKenna or like there there are all these like ideas of this like system or this like otherworldly
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dimensional control system maybe or um that is toying with this that has a trickster element. Um I'm not ready to put it all under one umbrella just yet.
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I I do wonder if you know people who reach a certain age and have been
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looking at this for a very long time feel that they want to neatly package everything at this point. Uh because
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maybe I would feel that way too. Like I'm just like, you know what, maybe it is just all this trickster control system. Um I'm I'm just not ready for
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that quite yet, but I can appreciate the thought of that because it does make sense of everything. Um, I I still like
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to believe that we're dealing with a thousand things. Um, you know, so I'm not quite there yet, but I'll entertain
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I'll entertain that idea. Um, yeah, I I I have a few hypotheses on on what's going on. But you knowve I've
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spoken about these before whether it's you know I use the analogy of like computer screens and like if you were
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building a little character and given you give him a little large language model and he doesn't know you're here right he's in the screen and he's living
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his little world and he's got a little loading bar of how much information he's learning and and I'm trying to make him learn faster right to improve the data
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collection or whatever and so I I'm gonna give him an idea and be like hey build build uh uh paint
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paint a painting, you know, and he's going to be like, oh, he's has this epiphany and he paints this painting and he gets all excited about it and he can't stop painting for some reason and
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then he thinks it's like divine inspiration. He thinks it's synchronicity, all these things. Uh but still not learning fast enough. So, I make a painting, I make it pristine, I
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make an amazing painting that's geometrically perfect, that's perfect in every single way. And I just drop it in the sand in front of him and he goes, "What is this? Where did this come from?
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Is this aliens? Is this interdimensional? what is this? And now he's he's studying it and he's realizing, oh, this isn't from here. And he starts basing all of his other
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paintings on it and his paintings become better and his technology becomes better and he starts learning a lot faster, you know? So I I say to myself like maybe
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that's also what we're dealing with is just something observing that wants to sort of increase exponentially how fast
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we're learning in order to I don't know feed something whatever that is experience consciousness whatever and
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that's what we're sort of receiving in these you know these downloads or these
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crafts coming down it's all just giant you know floating putting things that that are nothing. They're they have
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there's no aliens inside or they're just, you know, perfect floating Lego blocks or whatever, you know, and and
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we're just studying them and and and it helps increase our understanding of uh perhaps the nature of the universe. And
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I don't know, it it sounds high super strange. And if I were to hear myself a year ago or two talk about it like that, I'd be like, what are you talking about?
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It's the they're from Zeta Reticuli, you know?
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[laughter]
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Um, so but I don't know. I'm happy to I'm happy to entertain all the ideas.
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What about you? Where are you at with all this right now?
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Oh man, I couldn't be further away from from when I started all those years ago.
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Um, which I'm quite comfortable with because the more information we get, the more there still, you know, no answers
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to a lot of it. So I'm filled with even more information than I started with.
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And so the possibilities just remain spread out so so wide. And so uh but I've become really happy with that. I
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don't feel like I'm getting further away from finding out the truth. I still think I'm moving forwards in some way.
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It's a bit of a a paradox really, but I'm okay with it. So and it it is things like the who are they? What are they?
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What do they represent? you know, I'm always shifting between the various types of interdimensional, extraterrestrial, crypto, and everything
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else that seems to be the buzzwords for the origins these days. So, I guess, yeah, I'm I'm in a similar vein to you, and I like that analogy. It makes perfect sense.
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Awesome.
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So, yeah, in a similar vein, this question is, is there a case that you may have once believed that you are now becoming more and more skeptical of as time goes by?
Chapter 8: Reassessing past cases
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Definitely. I think most of them. Okay, that's fair enough. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. I think um I you know I'm a natural skeptic but I
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um just cuz you know as a magician I I see something I try to break it down to a method and then when I have a method I
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try hard not to lean on that method being the only method. Um, that's kind of, you know, been practice throughout
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this stuff because if you tell me there's a light in the sky, I could think of a hundred ways of why that there's a light in the sky that isn't an
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alien. So, I have to also practice saying to myself, well, we don't know. I have a method. Okay.
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Let me flip it around. Let me flip it around then. As a as a natural skeptic, then is there a case that you may have dismissed in the past or been skeptical
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of that you now put more weight in as being like genuine? Um, genuine, I don't know. But like a conviction level being a little higher than it was.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Believe it or not, here's the thing. Okay. Um, okay. So, Jonathan Reed. All right.
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Oh, okay. Crazy story. Yeah.
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Insane story. Totally insane. Um, you know, you have this story of this guy coming across an alien, ripping his dog
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in half, and he bludgeons it, and he drags it, and he hides it in his car, brings it into his home, puts it in a freezer, you know, it has a bracelet, does all these it's it's insane.
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Um, I I recently went to Seattle and I talked to him. Um, so that'll be a video coming out in the future. Um, and
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because I was curious because those those videos are compelling. Uh, him sort of panting and puking and and like
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they're very convincing. Like that is very convincing. Now, the alien, a lot of people say, "Oh, it's papier-mâché or whatever." Like, I don't know what an alien looks like, so I can't tell you.
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You know, maybe they maybe that's what they look like. um the parts I you know and I'll I'll vocalize this I think in
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my video but there are parts of that story that I'm incredibly dubious of. Um and I think most people are. Um but I
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left feeling that the initial encounter I was actually slightly higher conviction that it had happened. And so
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now some of the later stuff maybe not, but the initial encounter I was, you know, I'm not going to say I don't walk into this with like an 80% conviction
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level, fairly low across the board on on most things.
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Um, but I walked away feeling a a slightly through and only because of the human interaction that I had with him.
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Yeah. and and you know it's not something you can get through sometimes um the screen looking at someone's eyes or or seeing them off camera and and
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their body language as they say certain things and and so I I felt uh I definitely felt higher conviction slightly for the beginning of that story
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and I know a lot of people are going to be like oh boy here we go I [snorts] think that's great it's funny because I there's a documentary I know it's available in here in the UK on
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Amazon Prime I think it is the Jonathan Reed story I think it may be called something along along those lines and I urge everybody out there to go and check
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it out because it is fascinating and I watched it again the other day for the second time and yeah there's something about that case isn't there that's like
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I can't quite put my finger on it but it it just it pulls you in a bit doesn't it?
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Yeah, there really is something about that case and it it has withtood sort of the the test of time where obviously a lot of people have you know dismissed
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it. Um but those who haven't keep coming back to it.
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Yeah. as you know that footage is really compelling that that first you know with the craft and the being just sort of bludgeoned with a hole in his head. Um
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you know everything after that gets a little dicey for me. Um I I'm not here to say it isn't true. Uh but you know
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I'll I'll present everything the way that I can. Um but it's uh it's really interesting. Also Josh Polarity had an interview with him which was really
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good. Um and yes the documentary um is is a very very well done as well. I was very happy with it and it was uh it was
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thanks to that team. They you know they got me into contact with Jonathan there.
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So um I it was it was cool. I was glad to be able to do it like many of these interviews that I'm fortunate to have.
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Absolutely. I really look forward to that one. So I can't wait. Um but yeah, you know there is something about speaking to people in person and you
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know your show is in person. Um, would you say there's a guest that has surprised you after speaking with them?
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Because, you know, obviously you may have seen them on other shows and that and then they turn up at your studio and you talk to them and not not necessarily about believing them more, but just surprised you.
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Yeah, I'll drop another name. Um, [clears throat] Richard Dodie.
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Oh, okay. Okay. [laughter]
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[gasps]
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Yeah. Yeah. You're getting all the you're getting all the the tea today.
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[laughter]
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Um, yeah. I had a conversation with Richard Dodie. Uh, and that's one that's one that you got to, you know, tread
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lightly on because of the sensitive nature of obviously the Paul Benowit stuff. Of course.
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Um, but you know, a lot of people I think dismiss Richard, I I think rightfully because
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of, you know, his past transgressions or his involvement with, you know, disinformation,
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uh, specifically with Bill Moore and, you know, all that stuff that happened in the 80s. Um, there was a lot of there
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was a lot of reasons not to believe Rick Dodie, but I'm, as with every guest, not here to tell you to believe anything. um
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let's just hear what he has to say and let's ask him some questions perhaps he's never been asked before and that's where I wanted to be and I did so and uh
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I think I there's a couple times in that conversation with him where he got quite uncomfortable um he told me so afterwards he was like
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I didn't like you know and he's like I can't we got to stop you know asking about that or whatever um so it was it was a lot of fun and just like many
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other guests that I have um you know he was very friendly, very affable
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uh character. He wasn't um he didn't seem sort of out of his mind, you know, off camera or anything like that. He was
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very friendly, very nice. And now I'm I'm fully aware that I also have a pretty large podcast and there's a reason to be nice to me. I'm aware of
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that as well. But he did seem he did seem genuine um in in his, you know, communicating and everything else. And
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uh I treat everybody with the same sort of uh respect regardless of you know the audiences where they sit. But I do
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believe also that a conversation like that can lead to something really interesting. And I think it did and I
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think people regardless of how you feel about the story will enjoy the conversation.
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No, for sure. And I I met Rick Dy a couple of times in person and had conversations with him and I walked away thinking, "Oh, he's actually quite a
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nice man." And I was kind of like not wanting to think that. I was like, I want to hate him for, you know, all of this stuff. But yeah, he he was
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personable. So yeah, you know, he was friends with Nick Pope and so many other people within the um
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the UFO sphere. Um you know, you it's Yeah, I would say, you know, wait for the wait for the
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interview. It's a doozy. I think we sat down for like four hours. Um Wow.
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It's uh Yeah, and I I could have sat honestly another four with him. He's a He's an interesting guy. He's got a lot of stories, and I'm all about stories.
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Um, of course.
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Yeah. So, he he had some very interesting ones that I never heard before that were fun to uh poke and prod and and figure out what's going on here.
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Yeah.
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Awesome. Exciting. Exciting. Would you say then, you know, because they are a lot of long interviews that you do, so obviously a lot of time and effort goes into them. Would you say there's one that you're most proud of?
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Yeah, perhaps. Um, I would say maybe Mario Woods.
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Oh, what a guy. Yeah, I'd say nice.
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It's one of my Yeah. One of my favorite guests, one of my favorite podcasts, one of my favorite stories. Um, it is just it has all it has all the things. And he is such a sharp.
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Yeah.
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You know, guy. He's just so quick-witted. His memory's insane. And he's 71. It's crazy. It doesn't
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like No, no, definitely not. Doesn't act it either. And uh yeah, that was really good. You know, the the conversation I had with Luigi as well, Vendetti.
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Okay.
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Uh because we went down this like people thought, "Oh, this is going to be another Bazar interview." And we did that for like five minutes and then we
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went to No, no, you have a whole history with Muon that I know about and we're going to go down this weird story with like Mary Magdalene and Jesus on an UFO
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and like all these like wild things. And that turned out to be one of my favorite conversations and uh for the audience as well, I think.
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Yeah, Luigi's incredible. What a guy, man. What a guy for sure.
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What What about the Are there any interviews you would want to do again for any reason? Whether he bad, it wasn't good enough. Yeah.
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Yeah. Maybe maybe Travis Walton because we spent like you know when he when I did that interview with Travis in
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that same day he also did the diner with Bob.
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Oh okay.
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So that's why our interview was like maybe an hour an hour and a half. It was quite short. I didn't want to like overexert him.
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It was a long day and but I did want to hear his story from him himself. But now that we're past the story, you know, I
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would love an opportunity to just All right, let's put all that stuff aside and let's talk about, you know, some
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other stuff. Um, so maybe that, um, I'm trying to think of like past guests.
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Um, yeah, you know, there's an interesting one, you know, that a lot of people will get, and you know this as
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well, and you probably already know where I'm going with this, but Lou, I would I would talk to Lou again. Um, and you know, I might still I think Lou is an interesting guy.
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You know, whether you want to throw yourself in a camp on pro or against Lou or what he says, like it's that's not that's not like I don't
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do that. Um, he's always been a friendly guy. He's always been very approachable. He's always answered questions whether he could or not. He answered in the in the
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way that he thought he could. Um, you know, and he's always responded. And that's something about Lou that if you don't know him, maybe you don't know
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that. But, um, he'll take his time and, you know, I didn't have the biggest podcast when I asked him to be a guest on there. And he was like, "Yeah, right
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away. No problem. Absolutely." You know, so he's a really kind guy. And um I want to twist the blade, you know? I I know that he knows stuff.
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Yeah.
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Like we know that he knows stuff. Like I don't know what he knows, but anybody out there knows that Lou knows stuff. Like he's been involved. Whether
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you want to look at Gerb and and you know, Gerb has this whole theory of how he worked under Clapper and was like, you know, the basically the guy or
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whether you want to look at like maybe OAP or like that side. Like there's something there that he definitely knows
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and I'm always trying to like find creative clever ways that I can get that out of someone like him. Right.
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Exact. Oh my god. He's my next interview again and so I really I've been trying that exact thing is how can I get him to answer something by
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skirting around it a little bit to pull it out. It's a fun little sly. It's it's it's a little cat and mouse you know but um I I think it makes for a
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good conversation. Um, people need to think for themselves when it comes to this topic. Uh, don't go with the herd.
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Don't be afraid, you know, and I'm not saying believe everything Lou says. That's not what I'm saying at all.
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Be skeptical, for sure. But, you know, uh, if you don't listen to anybody, what are you going to learn?
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No, for sure. Uh, Lou did put out a video literally about half an hour before we went live in response to the Gerb and Ross interview that released yesterday.
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I just saw it. I just watched it. his his [snorts] response. He Yeah, he shots fired at Gerb there.
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Yeah, it was a little bit like, okay, Lou, okay. You know, because I thought whatever Gerb said, even if it isn't true, he did say it in a respectful manner.
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So, I don't I feel like Lou's response may have been a bit overly Yeah, maybe. you know, I I I don't want
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to assume anything because I can't I can't imagine what it's like being Lou either being on that side of the on the receiving end with, you know, a lot
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that's gone on online and his reputation and everything else. Like, it's, you know, being in the being in the spotlight isn't easy for anyone, let
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alone if you're being attacked. And I'm not here to say, you know, whether people are justified in those uh those attacks. I don't think any I don't think anything merits an attack, by the way.
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Sure. um you know, especially not when we're just talking about aliens. Uh but I I definitely think people, you know,
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it's it's their right to prod to push back and I think they should do this.
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They should continue to do this, but you know, to to go and you know, and this is not something Gerb did, but like to to
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try and defame someone or try to come at them personally or at their family or like weird things like this that I've seen online happen. I I just try to get
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away from that because I don't think that that's healthy behavior uh mentally for anyone involved. Yeah.
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No, I completely agree. I just want to highlight this comment here actually because I thought it was really interesting. Please ask Chris how he
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felt about his last Whitley episode was pretty out there even for being Mr.
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Striber in my opinion. And I agree because we've all heard Whitley's origin story. Um but you know beyond that he can still
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talk about a lot of things. Oh yeah. Um it's wildly out there. Um you know, and then I went to dinner with him and he
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regailed me with just the most the craziest things I've ever heard uh in in such like an eloquent matterof fact
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manner as he does. Almost like he's reading a book to you. And it's it's I'm enamored when listening to him because my mind is very stimulated listening to
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someone like that. He he he has an ability to craft a story while talking to you in using his cadence, using his
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voice, using his vast knowledge of storytelling.
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And so when it comes to conversations like that, you know, I would much rather live in the moment and project whatever he's
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saying in my head and be like, whoa, that's that's mind-blowing.
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Yeah. Obviously, you know, um my conviction level isn't super high, but that's across the board.
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I think that that's healthy, but that doesn't stop me from imagining, oh, what if this did happen? How cool would that be, you know? And so, that's kind of the
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light-hearted approach that I take to a lot of these interviews that um maybe maybe others um haven't practiced so much and that's why they feel like, hey,
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you should push back. It's like, that's not what I'm here for. Um, sure.
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You know, and and uh if that were the case, then perhaps you wouldn't have these interviews. Perhaps these people wouldn't want to, you know, uh be
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challenged at everything they said or have a debate every week. Um, and maybe there is someone out there that does that, and that's fine. That's that's
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just not what I do. Um, and if there's someone that wants to do that, then I'm happy to watch it as well. Um, but I I
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do enjoy the stories because uh once again, I think this might be the theme of this whole podcast. But yeah, just let go, you know, don't don't
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be so attached to something. Just have fun with it.
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That's it. And there's a difference as well between I find between push back and follow-up questions. Yes.
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You know, there's there's a line there as well, which, you know, some people might have be okay completely going over that line, whereas I try to go go as
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close to it in with being respectful as I can. Yes. And and um you know, and this isn't a comment on Whitley, but
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this is a comment on perhaps other guests that I've had in the past or that I've had presently uh but or that I want
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to have in the future. It is a difficult terrain to navigate when knowing who to
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talk to. And I'm I'm learning I'm learning about, you know, not only like a vetting, not I don't like that word because it sounds
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too militarized, but um just kind of hopefully understanding someone a little bit more
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before because it's such a sensitive thing.
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Either this person, whoever this person is, is telling the truth, right?
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Either they're actively lying or either I'm indulging in someone's psychosis. Sure.
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Right. And and that's that's the spectrum of these guests. And so I have to pick and choose
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who I'm going to platform and that's becoming more and more apparent to me. And you know I I just I'm not a doctor.
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I'm not here to to to diagnose you with you know whatever it is going on in your mind. I don't know. And so it is a very
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tough thing because I also don't want to exploit someone who's having difficulty mentally um or who's actively lying.
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Yeah.
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Who I can you know um but sometimes Yeah. No. Yeah. No, I bet. And but
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sometimes you got to sit through an exaggeration or a confabulation because you might get something that
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actually sticks and it's just a really tough line to navigate as someone who's interested in this topic and who doesn't
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also want to gaslight, you know, the wrong people. It's it's, you know, it's or anyone at all. It's it's really uh it's a touchy thing.
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It is. Yeah. And I mean, I say it doesn't get any easier because I found that in the time that I've been doing it, I could have a guest like you, easy to talk to, really great, we're having,
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you know, we're having a good time, but the next one could be someone like a Lou and you have to be prepared and you have to be, you know, it's a lot more I don't
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know what the right word is, but it's different. It's very different. And then, you know, there may be an experience of the week after, so you
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have to be a lot more thoughtful and careful, you know. Um, and true, everybody's different and so every interview is different and the last
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thing I ever would want to do is disrespect someone or make them feel uncomfortable or or exploited in any way. And for me, that's never got any
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easier because I guess because I care so much about how I do the shows. And so, yeah, it's it's a lot harder, I think,
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than people might think. I'm not trying to be a, oh, wo is me kind of thing.
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It's it's, you know, I choose to do this, but yes.
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Yeah. you know, it's it's it's difficult sometimes. It's a lot.
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It is. It's a lot to um yeah, to make that decision and to, you know, um I don't know. We're still I'm I'm still
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learning. I don't, you know, I don't pretend to to know more than the average viewer. I don't um so, you know, I'm
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I'll make perhaps a mistake sometimes and, you know, not ask the burning question that everybody wants to know or
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like that type of thing. Um, but at the end of the day, I think, you know, for myself at least, I'm having a lot of
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fun. I'm being creative. I have this amazing outlet that I get to that I get to use and and uh create with. And as
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long as I can keep doing that in a way that isn't harmful uh to anyone, you know, then that's the goal.
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Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I've got a question here. I have a question for Chris. What is one thing you haven't revealed to the public that you know
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about the UFO UAP topic from Saraphina
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[laughter]
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that I haven't I got to think that's a hard question I get sometimes that I haven't revealed to the public that I
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know um so I don't know anything for sure that's the other thing people will tell me things and they'll say I can only tell you this off camera
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or I can tell you this you know you can't tell anybody this or like whatever and um I don't take any of that seriously. Uh, that's just how I treat
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it. I I don't I respect their wishes and I'm like, I'm not going to go repeat this. Fine.
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But I literally don't repeat it because I don't think it's worth repeating. Uh, because it's unsubstantiated
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and it's told to me in a way, you know, I don't know if this isn't passage material that you're trying to get to me
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to like, hey, don't say this. And then they know I'm going to say it to like close friends and then, you know, like that that stuff happens. And so I just
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go, "Okay, you got it. I won't say it." And I don't I don't really um put any stock into it. So a lot quite a lot of
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things, but nothing um nothing that I think is worth repeating. Um, there is a
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case I'm working on and we talked about it in the uh with Luigi in that episode where
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there is this lady who took some photos of a being and um in her apartment and the police were involved. It's this
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whole thing and I'm working with that person. Um, you know, those photos are
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real. I've seen them. Um, they're very interesting. They're not daylight, you know, but they're for what we got, they're pretty good, you know. I'll tell
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you, they're better than the Las Vegas, you know, backyard stuff there. Um,
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[laughter]
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but, you know, uh, interesting case.
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Interesting case. But I'm working with this person right now and and trying to, you know, sort of smoo them into thing.
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Hey, do you want to do this project? Do you want to like get your story out there? you know, because this person was very reluctant in uh in in talking about this at all for 10 years, 12 years.
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Never didn't want this out there. Um claimed it was a demon. And so it was like that whole thing we got to get over, you know, and so Yep.
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Interesting. Interesting.
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Another [snorts] question here. Are we going to see more Flying Sorcerer Dina? Love that element.
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Yes, definitely. Thank you for enjoying this. Yes. Uh yeah, hopefully. you know, it's always a struggle getting people's
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schedules to line up um let alone multiple guests. [snorts] Uh, and so the episodes might be few and
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far between, but the set is there. And anytime I can have multiple guests here, even if they're unrelated, you know, a
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lot of people, they want to see like, oh, you know, have Greer and Lou in there or something like even if they're like, hey, we got a
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experiencer and an archaeologist and, you know, a sigh parasychologist or something like that would be a lot of
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fun. I want to see the mix and mashing of different point of views over a cup of coffee. Like that's just so much fun
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to watch for me. And so yeah, hopefully we can do that a lot more. And I think putting that those first two episodes out showed the world
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what type of vibe that is, which is a totally new vibe.
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It's not interview style. It's kind of casual.
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And I think because of that, for me, it's easier to pitch to guests now to be like, "Hey, would you like to have like" and they're going to be like, "Yeah, I'd love the diner." you know, so it's hopefully we get to see a lot more.
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It was really good. The Bob and Travis one was great. I'd be interested to know how you set that up for them. Did you give them a like tell them how to do it?
Chapter 14: Behind the scenes of the diner
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Because it turned into for me it turned into Bob interviewing Travis more than anything else. Great.
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Did you know that was going to happen or did you just say, "Hey, go for it." I just said, "Go for it." I had um um so when we had them here they they met for
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the first time like just off camera and so you know them sitting down was the first time they got to talk to each other like we even when we were in the
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room here sort of mking them up and doing all this um there was some back and forth between
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them and I was like Bob if you don't mind I was like can you save these questions I would you know I don't want
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to be that guy I feel like a bit of a dick but can you like save these questions?
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And he's like, "Yeah, totally." He's like, "That's what we're here for. It's all good." But he was like, the questions Bob had were like burning.
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He's been wanting to talk to Travis a long time.
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Uh because, you know, he's he knows his story and he's like, "This this man seems credible." And and Bob just wants
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answers. He wants uh like he said, "Give me a letter I can put on the crossword, you know, somewhere. Just that's all I
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want." And so when we sat them down, so the menus they have, I printed on the back of them questions for each other.
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Oh, okay.
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And I said in if at all you get to a point where like there's a lull, just look at the menu and you'll have some
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questions there. And then I hid that um briefcase under the under the table with like both of their
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case files and like photos. And I did that because I knew, you know, Bob's not an interviewer, neither is Travis. And that was the one thing in my head where
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I was like, what if what if this is just awkward and weird, you know, and and that's a risk I was willing to take. But
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as soon as I started filming, I had that in mind. So I knew that like I can interject the waitress, get her in there and say, "Hey, whose briefcase is that?"
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And but I left and I had everybody leave. I was like, "Get out. Everybody out. we're gonna go into the other room over there and I'll just send the
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waitress in periodically to like update me. So, I had no idea what they were talking about. I Nobody did.
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Um, it was and I wanted them to feel that way where Sure.
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there wasn't like people staring at them. They could just do their thing. I had a uh two camera guys here uh that helped me out that like periodically
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would go in, take a photo or like B-roll, but then come right back out.
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So, I was trying to keep it as naturally uh as natural as possible. It was, it worked. It really did work. It's very unique and it was a breath of fresh air
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to watch. So, Bob's quite a good interviewer, by the way. I gotta say, you know what, it was it was really good. He took over and led it. And I was like, "Okay, this is where we're going with this." And it was great.
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I told him he could have a weekly pod.
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Like, I mean, he would crush uh you know, if you just wanted to give everything up and be a podcaster. I was like, "This is for you." Like, do that.
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I agree because it'd be good because Bob's not steeped in everything that's been going on in in depth and detail. So he'll be a a a fresh set of eyes, no biases towards a lot of guests and that.
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You should put it to him. That would be great. Once a month, you know, just see Bob on thumbnails like
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[laughter]
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that [clears throat] would be a hit for sure.
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Um and then obviously you did the show with yourself, Gerb, and Jesse and that I liked that as well because it was just like that's the kind of conversation
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you'd had if you were at a normal diner just chilling and chatting and that and and that's great. I think that's a breath of fresh air as well because it
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it almost feels like a behind thescenes video. Yeah, exactly. I'm glad you like that.
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And that's like the conversations that like we'd have as well if we're at a convention. Like that's what we talk about. It's inside baseball. We're talking shop or
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whatever. Uh we're also joking a little bit and um you know it's you're not you don't feel like you need to be on.
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You're just kind of and it's fun with friends because they can just pick up wherever. you know, there's no established cadence to the conversation.
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You can just freely um freely go about it. But yeah, it's definitely something I want to do. And you know, hopefully if you're ever in Canada, you're obviously
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invited to the uh the Flying Saucer Diner. Would love to have you.
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Oh man, I I'll make it one day. That's for sure. Absolutely. Um I got another question here for you. Let's have a look
Chapter 15: Views on Skinwalker Ranch
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here. Okay, then I asked Chris, "What are your views on Skinwalker Ranch and the object in the mea? If you think it's
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potentially NHI, could we be provoking something we may not be able to contain?" Thanks.
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Yeah, perhaps. I don't know. Um, that's the million-dollar question, isn't it?
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Uh, what's in the mesa? Uh, yeah, you know, Jesse put out a really good conversation uh recently with the
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uh the Brandon Fugal, the owner of Skinwalker. um which if you haven't seen it yet, go check it out. Um you know, it's not every day that guy gives the
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interviews. And so it was fun hearing it from him. I also had the, you know, a skinwalker biologist on Ben Woodruff
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[clears throat]
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who was talking a lot about the cattle mutilations and sort of it was really interesting from his perspective because it was all plants and animals. It wasn't
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about UFOs or anything. and um and their reaction to Skinwalker Ranch, which I thought was interesting.
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As far as the mace is concerned, uh there does seem to be activity in and around over through that area.
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Um I mean, you know, the question of if we open Pandora's box or whatever the
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question was, I don't know. I don't know. I don't I have no idea. Um, maybe there's a I don't know. I I don't I'm
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I'm no clue. I am uninformed and uh everything I say is just speculative.
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So, you know, perhaps I don't know. There's a giant uranium shaft in there.
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So, I don't know. I have no clue. Um it does make for good television. Yeah.
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Um so, there is there is that doesn't take away credibility in my book. Uh it just means I guess tune in to the next season and maybe you'll find out. I don't know.
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Yeah. I mean, that's the thing with the TV show. It's great entertainment.
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For me personally, it's becoming a little bit Curse of Oak Island. Will they ever get to, you know?
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Yes. And I loved that show until I was like, "Oh, wait.
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Six seasons in, I'm like, you're just stringing me along." Yeah. So, it feels a bit like that these days, but I won't take anything away from the work that the team are doing
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because it's genuine. It's proper scientific endeavor. And, uh, you know, I really do hope they find something anomalous. be so exciting for everyone.
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I do think it's interesting that like [snorts] they had the show and then all of a sudden Travis Taylor shows up in the show who's clearly government
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affiliated, you know. Um and and Ben Woodruff said too that there is without a doubt a government presence at the ranch.
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Sure. Yeah.
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He said that he's like 100%. He's like there are he's like our communications are monitored, our emails, our phone. Um
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and then you know heavy NDA heavy NDA is about a lot of things.
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Um, and so there definitely is a military presence that is aware. And you
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know, if you're them, you're you're actually saving money
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by having this other team do all the work for you and then you're just asking them to kick the information up in case
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anything and we'll tell you what you're allowed to put out. That's how I see it.
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That's how I would do it if I was in, you know, the IC or anything else. I'd be like, "Hey, yeah, keep doing your thing.
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We're not going to, you can do any test you want. You find anything interesting, just tell us first.
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Maybe it's national security, yada yada, and then that's it. Have a good day." And now all you need to do is like keep an eye and if they do find something,
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then like you're winning, you know? So that's how I would do it. And that's how I assume it's probably being done. That's my assumption.
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Yeah. I mean, there's one thing with Skinwalker. I've managed to separate it from Brandon Fugal's stewardship, as he calls it now, to the older stuff, which
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to me seemed a lot more spooky and scary to be to be totally honest, you know, because of some of the stories back then were pretty jarring for me. Do you find that at all?
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Uh, yeah, definitely. But, you know, are they are they is it folklore, you know, is it is it um you also had a
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vested interest to make it spooky? Yeah, you know, if you're trying to sell it.
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[laughter]
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Yeah, I suppose. I mean, uh, you know, whether you're Big Low or whether you're Brandon Fugal, like there is a vested interest there into making
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it extraordinary. Um, so take that for what it's worth. But, you know, that being said, I'd be interested in going
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to check it out. Uh, I I'm not big on the hitchhiker effect idea. Um, I'm not
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I'm I'm pretty skeptical about that stuff. Although everybody who's experienced something like that has told me, "No, no, no, it's real."
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I think, you know, I I I have to be one of those skeptics for now at least to be like, "Hey, there might be a psychosmatic component to this."
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Um, rather than it being, you know, a poltergeist following you home, it might just be, you know, unrelated, but I'm
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I'm I'm happy to be proven wrong on that.
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Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's one thing that stands out for me was I think it was around season 2 or three they had the UAPX team on site in one of the
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episodes and when they were filming that Jason Turner from the team he he started feeling you know those feelings when
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someone's being affected by the ranch and his eyes got all bloodshot they rushed him to the emergency room and he was sending me pictures as it was
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happening and I was sat here like going oh my god dude that's crazy and so that really set it sort of home for me that
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something bad is happening and and so I'll never forget that. So, ever since then, it's been like, okay, this is something to be taken serious. For sure.
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Definitely. Definitely something interesting to look into and worthy of investigation.
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Absolutely. That's a good way of putting it. For sure. For sure. Uh I've got another question. Guys, keep your questions coming. Try and pop them in capital letters. I don't know if I've missed any. Um but yeah, thank you guys.
Chapter 16: The Bledsoe family encounters
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Dan. Uh, Chris, what do you think about the Bledsoe family and their encounters?
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Did you go to the Skywatch with him at Contact in the Desert? Any crazy experiences? I did go to the Skywatch.
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I I didn't stay for the entire thing.
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Um, what do I think about the Blessed Family and their encounters? Um, hard to say. And just like I said in my documentary, I do believe that Chris had
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a real initial encounter. I I I as much as I I'm pretty high conviction that his
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initial encounter happened, maybe not 100% the way that he remembers it. Um,
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you know, memory tends to be a little uh strange when it comes to especially the phenomenon um with missing time and
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whatnot. But there are other witnesses that were there other than his son, you know, that that saw these things in the
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sky and that were chased by them in the car and and whatnot. So I do strongly strong I have a very high conviction that that the original story happened.
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Um everything after that is just something that people have to take at face value.
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uh you know and and sort of uh go into this belief system of I believe him, I don't believe him.
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Um and I'm happy to not do that quite yet. I'm happy to just listen to the
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story. Um you know, collect that data and continue to sort of foster a relationship with Chris and his family
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because if something else happens, I definitely want to be around to see it.
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And I I uh I'm not against things happening, you know, uh they they they see things in the sky at at the skywatch.
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I had my satellite tracker in hand and uh I had checkmarked all the satellites
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that I could and on this little app and I paid it was like4 cents a month or something for this satellite track. I don't even know if it's a good one, but
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I was every time there was like a moving thing, they had their laser up and I go up and sometimes you would find them on the thing and to Chris's credit, they would say that's a satellite.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Uh so there is that to be said. I think people sometimes often miss that.
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They're like people think that, you know, he's claiming every satellite is an orb. And there were instances where they were identified as satellite by
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Chris's team. Now, there were things also in the sky that looked exactly like satellites
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in every way, shape, or form that were moving same height, same trajectory, same speed that were not on the
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satellite tracker. Now, does that mean it's not a satellite? I don't think so. No.
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Um, there are definitely probably satellites that are not on my public satellite tracker that I pay 49 cents for. [laughter]
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um you know and I mean there's NRO there's every other country uh you know u so but I can't tell you it wasn't an
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orb right I I'm not smart enough I don't have that data so uh I I think that's where I leave it and what I say to
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people who whether they believe or don't believe or you know wherever they stand on that spectrum around Chris Bledsoe is
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it two things one uh Chris and his family have really kind and they're and if you see them in person, they'll always give you the time a day. And I
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think that that's really important. I think that, you know, they're uh they're genuinely kind people that I I like
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being around. I do. Um and two, get get a scope.
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Uh go do it yourself, right? Like that's that's where I left my documentary was like, who cares what someone tells you is real or is not real? You shouldn't it shouldn't matter to you.
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Get a telescope, get a night vision, or just meditate. Go out there and try that and try try communicating with these
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celestial bodies yourself, maybe. I don't know. Yeah.
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Like they're telling you that you can do this.
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And a lot of people are like, "No, you can't. We'll just, you know, suspend it all and and try." And that's what I did.
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And when I did that on the beach with uh Ryan Bledsoe, I had an like I had an experience. I can't. I filmed it. There
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was this orange orb and before that there was like a row of them. I don't know. Are they doing is that afterburn
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from like a a jet training that's out there? I don't know. Again, not smart enough to have all the answers on what
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it could be, but it happened and we saw something interesting and uh that I couldn't explain. I still can't really
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explain fully. Um so I I like to leave it there. I like to be like, okay, you know, I'm not opposed to them having
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experiences. I think that that is entirely possible still. Um, and I also
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know that I'm sure there are things that he's pointed to as being uh an orb, which wasn't.
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I'm positive that like, okay, yes, this that might have been a satellite, that might have been Starlink, that might have been a meteor, whatever. Like, that
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happens. Um, but that does that negate everything? uh not in my book, not everything, right? And so you got to
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take all these things. People are fallible. People make mistakes, people say things. But at the end of the day, you know, trust yourself and do the
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things yourself. Don't wait for anybody else to tell you something is something.
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Don't don't wait on some foyer request or or a page in the Bible. Just do it yourself. You know, come to your own conclusions.
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It's a great way of looking at it.
Chapter 17: UFO history and rapid fire
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Really good. got a couple more questions, but we're just going to jump to a a bit of a fun round. This is kind of a bit of a more quickfire round. I like to do these every week on the live
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stream. So, if you could spend one hour with any figure in UFO history, who would it be?
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I mean, there's a few. I mean, oh, I'm going to turn this question back on you in a second, too, because I want to know what yours is. But dead or alive?
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Yeah. Um,
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[sighs]
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[laughter]
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yeah, cuz there's so many like I mean obviously someone, you know, like Vanavar Bush, you know, or like someone
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in the MJ12 sort of uh cohorts. Uh, but then maybe a little more contemporary,
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somebody like uh um Phil Schneider or Will Cooper or Dan Burrish, you know,
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you know what I mean? like these completely outlandish sort of like I I would I would love to have a
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conversation with them as well. Um Jay Allen Heinik.
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Yeah, sure. He's got some beans to spill. Jackie Gleason.
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Yeah, that would be great, right? Yeah. How about you?
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Again, this the list is so big. I always think someone as like a researcher wise, someone like Leonard Stringfield maybe, you know, with his his knowledge and
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crash retrievals and all of that stuff that's so like in the zeitgeist today and how it was for him. I think that would be great. But yeah, so many people
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the Oh my god. Yeah. See, this happens every week when I ask people and everyone in the chat as well. If you got people you would want [snorts] to talk
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to, throw them in there. I'm always interested to see because, you know, there's things that I can't think of that you might and I love seeing it. But yeah, Jesse Marcel, the the original Jesse Marcel, people like that. Any Oh.
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Yeah. Or General Remy. General Remy.
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Or like one of the the guy telling him, "Hey, take this photo." Like, yeah. God, there's so many.
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Do you know there's um there's an interesting uh This is interesting. Maybe people don't know
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this um but do you know David Copperfield's father? Okay.
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Uh he worked at Roswell in 45. He was uh No way.
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He was in the Roswell Air Force Base, which [laughter] I thought was Isn't that interesting?
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That's fascinating. What a connection there. That's your magic and UFOs crossing over.
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Exactly. Yeah. I'm u I'm good friends with his director, um Chris Kenner. He's a he's a great guy. He's been, you know,
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the creative director for the show, for David's show for a long time. and Magic World's kind of small and and Chris and I get along and uh they based David's
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entire show which is now retired which was at the MGM on because um Chris Kenner or David or Chris one of the two
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after I think David's father had passed they went through his stuff and that's where they found like the ID card from
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Roswell Air Force Base in 45 right two years prior to the crash and so was he there at 47 I don't know
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but Um, David then created the entire uh, illusion show based on that and he talks about that in the show. The only
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reason I'm mentioning it now is because the show is retired.
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But during the show he like at the end if you've never seen the the conference field show in Vegas like at the end of the show a giant UFO appears over everybody's
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head. It's freaking insane. It's like [laughter] but like the whole show is based on like UFOs. Um, which again I I
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wouldn't talk about if you haven't seen it. but now that you can't see the show anymore. Uh, but it was based on him finding his dad's ID at Roswell. So, Wow.
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You know, there's something to be said that his dad didn't even tell him that he worked there, right? So, that's I don't know. I thought that was just an
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interesting magic uh magic with a C and magic with a J connection.
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Yeah, there you go. I love that. Uh, Highlander, thank you so much for the super chat. I I've added your question to the pile which I will get around to
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after this quick fire round. Next question then. Um, which UFO myth do you wish would finally
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disappear, if any? The myth that would finally disappear. Oh man.
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And again, everyone in the chat, if you have any answers to these that you find interesting, pop them in.
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I mean, that's assuming it's a myth, right?
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Well, that's it. Again, these aren't easy. I I called it quickfire because you feel a bit the pressure [laughter] a little bit, right? I should answer quickly. Um I
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would say that um that Aztec was debunked. Wow.
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I think that's a myth. I think Okay. Yeah.
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Yeah. I thought you were saying that it was not real. I was Okay.
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No, no. I I think that you know that that whole that lazy debunk that came out that everyone refers to when it comes to Aztec. I think you know um I
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was just sent uh Scott and Suzanne Ramsay's latest book which just came out.
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It is their life's work on the Aztec case. It is everything.
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There is something in that book that no one's ever seen that that I held in my hand. [laughter]
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Um yeah, that book is good. Um it's really interesting and there's obviously
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a boatload of evidence. Um, someone says there's always a book. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Um, especially when you pour
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$600,000 and 35 years of your life into researching something. Yeah, there's a book. [laughter] Why not? Absolutely.
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Thankfully, thankfully there's a book.
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That's awesome, man. Have you interviewed them?
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Uh, only with Jesse. Um, so for like this happened last year, the year before was I helped direct um this sort of
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documentary that Jesse was putting together on the Aztec crash.
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Um, which hasn't come out yet. You know, we've I think clips are have surfaced here and there that he's sort of put out, but I don't know what's happening with that.
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Um, but I would uh I would gladly, you know, reach out to them and have that conversation. But I also need to talk to Jesse and see what, you know, what's
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going on with that. Um because uh it we spent like a week with them. We went to the crash site. We went to Yeah, it was
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went to that messa at the Archeletta Ranch to see where the UFO allegedly hit the bluff before it course corrected and crash landed. And there's a big scar in
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the mountain where it, you know, hit and it's an interesting story, man. And um Absolutely.
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Yeah. It's uh it's one of those that was really the coverup happened so swiftly.
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Yeah. Uh, and yet there's a p a huge paper trail.
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That's incredible. I hope that comes out, Jesse. [clears throat] Please, please. We want that. Amazing. Um, best UFO documentary of all time.
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[clears throat]
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[sighs]
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I'm gonna have to go with I think my favorite I'll just go with my favorite. Maybe not best. My favorite is Moment of Contact.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah. There's something about that story that hit me so much harder
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and I love the phenomenon. I love the program and all these other, you know, out of the blue that James Fox did. Um,
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there's also other I mean, uh, Dean Elto's got great documentary on it. Um, Luigi Ventatelli's obviously so many
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amazing documentaries out there, but Moment of Contact hit me really profoundly.
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Um, yeah. And also a shout out to Ariel Phenomenon.
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Ah, yeah. Mickerson. Yeah, that's a good one, too. That's what I was thinking. Absolutely.
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Amazing. Uh, one UFO witness you'd most like to interview.
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Alive or dead? Dead or alive or dead?
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Somebody mentioned in the chat, I think, Kelly Cahill, and I think yes, I think I've got that question coming up. Oh, no.
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Yeah, it should be a good interview.
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think I think Kelly Kah Hill will be a good interview. She's got a really interesting story. Um I read I first read her story um through a book by
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Moira McGee who's a UFO researcher in Australia and uh I was I was like what this is crazy this like there multiple
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people who are who remember this. There was like there's there's like a this there was like a mass abduction.
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Like that's it's one of the craziest stories. Yeah. where they pulled over into and then walked into a field and there was other cars parked and other
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people and the beings came and grabbed them and but then afterwards um they found the other people, you know, and like that's it's one of the craziest cases.
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That's incredible. I need to look into that. Wow. Is there is a documentation on that?
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Uh there's a book I think uh talking about it, but she doesn't really give interviews. I think I've tried um to
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reach out and couldn't find a way to uh get there, but regardless, it's a really interesting one.
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Um yeah, I think that I think that would be an interesting one to Amazing. I like that. I always like hearing about new things, new cases, and
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they're few and far between these these days. Uh disclosure in the next five years, yes or no?
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Um, disclosure in the next five years.
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Yes or no? Yes. Um, yes. Yes. Only because um I think disclosure happens. I don't
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think I don't think it you're going to get it through the TV and I don't think you'll believe it if you get it through the TV anyways. But I think disclosure is happening to everyone at different
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stages. It's it's this process and it's we've already had it.
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We already we've already felt it. We're we're climatizing to it, which is a luxury uh that some don't have.
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Absolutely. Right. Last quick fire. If you could witness any famous UF UFO incident firsthand, which would you choose?
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Aztec. [laughter] Yeah, let's do Aztec. Yes, it would be a credible one to see, wouldn't it?
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Dude, there's 18 bodies.
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That's a lot of little dudes. 18 bodies and little jumpsuits. And uh where do they say they went? There you go. That's a good follow- on question.
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They um so I think everything went straight away because 95 or 90 miles away was um Los Alamos.
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And so I think everything went to Los Alamos. And a lot of people contest that because they're like the windy roads, how would you get a flatbed up there?
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Um, and so the Ramsies actually spent $14,000 renting the same flatbed and doing it themselves to show that you can do it. Um, yeah. Yeah, they're badass, dude.
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Um, and uh, and so I think it went there, but then I think what probably happened was there was probably a transfer to Patterson Airfield.
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Yeah. Um, and then I don't know about I don't know about the biologics whether you know that also went to Patterson, but I think the crafted because I think
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there was also a witness that saw it in a hanger as they were doing tests, you know, the the famous famous hanger there. Um,
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and so yeah, I think that one would be a really interesting one because it was like a soft landing, too. It wasn't really a crash. It's interesting.
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Great, great answer. Love that. Right, let's jump to these other questions that we have.
Chapter 18: Final questions and wrap up
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Please ask about Katie Hurley. Is he interviewing her soon? Can he give anything on this hybrid topic? I don't know the name Katie Hurley. Do you?
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Um, not familiar with Katie Hurley.
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No, I'm not. Another one to to look up there.
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Oh, yes. No, I know who they're talking about.
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Um, no, this is uh I think she's she's like into AI and stuff.
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She's like She's a tech person, really friendly person. I got to meet her, but I cannot comment on any of the uh the last part of that question.
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Cool. There we go. Uh next one. Oh, wait. I missed that super chat. Here we go.
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Chris, love your show. You made those apple pies and coffee look very delicious. My question is, is there a Nordic story you still want to cover?
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[snorts]
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There is. There's a few there. Okay. So, I met someone and maybe you can help me locating this person. I met someone at Contact in the Desert who gave me like
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the craziest story. He was this Irish fellow. Him and his sister were there at Contact in the Desert. And I don't have their names. I've reached out to people
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at Contact in the Desert and be like, "Hey, can you find because I want to interview this guy. He had such a compelling story." Okay.
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Oh my god. It was like so many people.
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Oh man, it was the coolest story. Um it's okay real quick. He was out of he was out of he's like out of all places,
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you know, this is that's where it happens, you know, and he he's not into this stuff. This guy is furthest like he nowhere in his mind is
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UFOs or aliens. He's just a guy that works or whatever. And this is like a couple year three, four years ago. And he's getting his bags and he's walking
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out and as he's exiting the door he looks up and he's and he goes, "They're this tall." And he's my height and going like, "That's 8 ft, right?" He's like,
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"They're this tall." And a man and a woman, blonde, perfect looking, beautiful, chiseled features,
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wearing strange clothing. And he's like, "You look at them." And he's like, "The first thing to enter my mind, I wasn't thinking aliens or anything. I just
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knew." He goes, "These people aren't human. like this is what his in his mind and he and he and he stood there with
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his like his hair started rising on his arms because he's like this is he doesn't know what he was looking at and he's staring at them just dumbfounded
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and they according to him were like doing this right strangely
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and he's terrified and um all of a sudden he hears chatter back and forth in his mind
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and he goes And then in his mind he goes, "Is that you?"
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And they look at him and and in his mind he hears, "Yes." Whoa.
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And [laughter] and so they walk around him. He's holding his bags. And he goes, "I look like an idiot standing there holding my bags, staring at these
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people." And then he This is This is a really cool detail. He goes, "I started doing this
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[laughter]
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Oh no.
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Because he wanted to see if there was a threshold where he could start hearing them again because he was he he didn't know what was happening. He thought he was going
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insane. He literally is like I'm am I hallucinating? Like what's happening?
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And um as he does that and he goes back to the door, he's looking back. He's like, I should just get out of here.
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Like what am I doing? and he and he's staring and he and as he leaves the door, he hears again like a little like a little word like in his mind and he
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and he and he comes back in a little bit and he's like he shakes it off. He walks into his car and he stays there for like an hour. And um and then he goes to me,
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he's like, "I I've never told that story to anyone except he goes except this car dealer uh like two years after because
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he told because the car dealer he goes he told me this story about goblins." And I thought this guy's insane. So I'm going to tell him my story.
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And he tells him his story and the the car dealer goes, "Oh, cool." and he looks at me and he goes and I was like, "Fuck you. my story is real.
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[laughter]
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And and uh but then um about a year later, he's on YouTube or whatever and he sees a thumbnail of these tall
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blondes and it's the video where Chris uh not sorry um uh Richard Dolan
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talks about the story of these tall blonde people speaking in this lady's head
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and he goes, "Holy that happened to me." He picks up the phone and he calls his sister crying.
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This is my story. I'm not insane. This is what happened to me. And he and he's like and he's frantically telling his sister about it. He booked a flight to
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contact in the desert and that's where I met him like the next year. That's incredible.
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And so if anybody knows who this person is, I would love to get in contact with him. I didn't grab his name, so I've been searching to try and find him. But
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that is one of the best. I love those stories of they walk among us and you know those are my favorite stories especially from someone like this who's
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just he has you look at him you talk to him and you're like yeah this guy's going back to his job he spent money out of his pocket to come
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to this convention he's not even into this stuff and now he's going back to work and that's it there's no podcast there's no book um but he felt compelled you know to to
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want to share that and be around people who may have had answers for him yeah that's amazing I love that they're the kind of stories that are just fascinating, aren't they?
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Yeah.
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Uh oh, shout out to Justin for becoming a member. Thank you, Justin. And for anyone who doesn't know Justin, I think he's a producer on the night shift with
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Clint, but more importantly, he was my pickle ball partner. Defeat we defeated Gerb and Rob Jones twice. Shout out.
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Yo, let's go. [laughter] And Justin's got a question. Uh Chris and Vinnie, what do you consider as disclosure? What is your definition of disclosure?
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There we go. Go on, Chris.
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Um, I don't I don't have an answer for that. I think everyone's answer is different. Um, disclosure,
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you know, there are people who you and I and everyone else watching have in their lives who if you show them a living,
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breathing alien, they will go, "That's not real. That's a costume. I don't believe it." Or they're just going to go to bed the next day and ignore it or
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push it to the back of their minds. like that's going to happen. And so everyone has a different level of what they're
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comfortable with. And it isn't up to me to push you into that.
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If you're not ready for that, I don't know where your journey has led you into your life.
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You might be on a completely different path than I. And if your journey aligns with wanting to know more about this
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topic and deciding, hey, maybe I'm ready to look into this, then so be it. And then that begins your journey to
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disclosure where your own disclosure happens. Um, but other people uh like who am I to be like, look at this. This is real. Like what am I doing? Like
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leave those people alone. They're having, you know, what's the point? Do you think that's what that's anyone wants? Like no one wants that. Like if if you want it, seek it. you'll find it.
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Um, and if you don't want it, that's cool, too.
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Yeah, I agree. I I would I there's a few I like the analogy like that Lou always says, we're already in disclosure that you you mentioned earlier. I like that.
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That that works for me. I also like Richard Dolan, the small D, capital D, you know, small D disclosure being more just a confirmation and then big D
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disclosure being, you know, a bit like catastrophic disclosure. We get everything all at once. So, I I like all of those. I don't know if I prefer one
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or the other. I like that we're I I like feeling that we're in some sort of disclosure now. That's enough for me for the time being, you know. I'll take it. For sure.
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If if you Oh, he he gifted some members. Nice. Thank you, brother.
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Very generous, Justin. Um I was just going to say if you're if you're like no matter what your scenario is where you
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get um disclosure. Okay, picture this maybe maybe a bit of a thought experiment for those watching or listening. um the one piece of
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information that you need that like breaks the case open, right? Whatever that is, whether it's the landing on the White House lawn or whether it's uh
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unredacted files or video or photo evidence or Donald Trump being like they're real.
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Like whatever that is for you, picture that in your mind. Yeah. Picture having it. And now go past that.
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How do you feel? You happy? You good? You still want more, don't you? Yeah.
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It's not enough, is it? No. It never will be, will it? No. So, here's what I like to tell myself is if you were faced
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with whatever gatekeeper had all the answers, all right, this person, this this, you know, non-escript person has
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all the answers and they're willing to give them to you. And you get to ask a question and they're going to answer truthfully. All right? and let's and the question is are we alone?
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And they answer truthfully and they go yes. What's your reaction to that?
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Your reaction is I don't believe you. Yeah.
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Your reaction is I'm going to keep looking myself. Right. Okay. Okay. So, if you're resigned to the answer being
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no, we're not alone. Then just assume it isn't. Just assume that's the answer because you're never going to stop asking the question until it becomes no,
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we're not alone. So assume we're not alone and move on from there and come up with a new question because that's what I like to do. These new questions that put puts us in these
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strange scenarios through these amazing conversations that we get to have.
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That's where that's where I love being and that's where we should be. But if we're going to ask that same question, are we alone? Are we alone? And keep trying to kick down doors until they say
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no, we're not. in which case they already have like ask yourself what's the end goal there what are you trying to get you
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know no we're not alone okay move on come up with another question yeah I like that
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interesting here's a good one Chris what is your opinion on remote viewing and how put off
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two different questions um [laughter] uh remote viewing and how put Um, you know, let's separate them. Let's separate them, I think. Yeah.
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Uh, yeah. Both both interesting. Remote viewing, I definitely think is I think there's enough data out there and enough
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research out there to show that remote viewing is although unreliable, definitely available, definitely doable.
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um by so many metrics uh by so many you know so much research has been done in
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remote view if you look at just the research that Dr. Edwin May at SRRI has done over the last 30 40 years. Like I mean there's just so much there and he produces all of his failures as well.
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Like it's not just but taking those into account there's clearly something here.
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Um as far as how put off goes I don't know the man. I'm very intrigued by, you
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know, his trajectory in life and I have a feeling that
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I don't know. I have a feeling that one day we'll know a lot more about how
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put off. I just have that feeling. I don't know. And that's not founded on anything at all, but I have a feeling that like one day we're going to get some answers about what went that guy's seen quite a bit.
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And I I don't I don't think he was at the center of the vortex by any means.
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Um but I do think that he's definitely been involved in many um many things that would probably rock my world.
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I agree completely. He knows some things. He's in that vortex. He may not be near the middle, but he's in there.
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Yeah, definitely. [laughter] Uh, last question here is from Dan.
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Chris, your show at Contacts in the Desert was great. It played with the idea of manipulating perception and how we can both be tricked and trick ourselves. So, any advice on how to mitigate that in the UFO world?
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Yeah. Uh, first of all, thank you. And yes, um, everybody's susceptible to be tricked, myself included, magicians included,
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everybody. Everybody. Uh, it's just how the human brain works. And mine isn't better than yours. and we're all we're all uh on an equal playing field there.
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That being said, um you know, continue to question everything like I think you already are.
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And that means questioning things you're also in favor of, you know, not just the things you disagree with. Um and
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question them and and don't uh I would say yeah, don't don't be resigned to any one answer.
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things usually have multiple methods. As a magician, uh this is something we know to be true.
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There's more than one way to skin a cat.
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There's a thousand methods to make something impossible happen. Now, that doesn't mean that because you can think of a method that that is the method they used or that is being used.
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So, just yeah uh use use that little piece of advice.
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I love it. It's amazing. Really good.
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Chris, thank you so much, man. Before I let you go though, you obviously we've talked about your upcoming West Coast live shows. Um, it's probably nothing,
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which I've have popped the link in the description to all your stuff. So, people please go and check out everything of of Chris is down below, including the shop, some amazing merch.
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Yes, sir.
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But yeah, what else have you got coming up? You've obviously mentioned Jonathan Reed and Richard Doy, but what's what's in the the, you know, the next thing on your channel, if you if you've got it
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to mind. Um, coming up this week, we got a guy I got a conversation with a guy called, um, uh, what's his name now? I'm blanking.
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Sean Nubau. He was an interesting guy that I met at contact actually. Um, and we had an interesting conversation.
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Also, Jason Quit coming up soon. Who he wrote? Yeah. A few, you know, few books on astral traveling and
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all sorts of ancient archaeology and whatnot. Um, so that's really interesting. Julia Mossbridge I've talked to recently. So, a lot of really
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interesting conversations. And aside from that, um I'm currently working on scripting, writing, and putting together
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a a new project for a new uh series eventually on the channel. Um but that might be further down the line, but that's currently what I'm working on.
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Amazing, man. Love it. Guys, if I'm sure you do already, but go over and subscribe to Chris's channel. Chris, thank you. It's always a great
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conversation. Wonderful time. Ah, my pleasure, man. Absolutely.
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Everyone, I was gonna say, sorry, let me know if you're if you're ever around me, please, and I will I will fly you up here and we'll uh we'll hang out in person.
1:30:23
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Absolutely, man. Would love to. Guys, also thank you so much to everyone in the live chat. We've had a great show.
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Great comments, questions. I really appreciate it. I did try and ask many as I saw because it flies by and it's hard
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to navigate between everything all at once. But guys, thank you as always. So, next week is not going to be live. I'm actually going to be away on vacation
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for a week, but I will be dropping my interview with Lou Alzando coming up.
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You have questions for Lou, you can go over to my ex account where I've put a post and you can leave questions for Lou. But yeah, until then, I might leave a question for Lou.
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Dude, do do it. Honestly, there's a lot already and they all cover the spectrum, let's say. So, it should be interesting.
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[snorts] But yeah, thank you everyone so much and we'll see you on the next one. Goodbye for now.