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all right Ross absolute pleasure to see you how have you been my friend been a busy time Vinnie I've just come back from lying on a beach and I'm feeling a
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lot better taned rested and feeling dangerous good to hear really good to hear I appreciate you joining me and uh
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yeah it has been it's been it's been a crazy since we last spoke lot's been happening and before before we get into the interview I want I I put out that I
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was speaking to you so people can put in questions and can you guess what the most requested question was um where's the hidden
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UFO my goodness people just won't let that go well it's funny I almost regret talking about it to be honest because one of the one of the problems you have
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as a journalist is you are when sources tell you things you are obliged to respect if you like the confidences in
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which they're imparted and I know this sounds oldfashioned but there's kind of like a there are the catastrophists and
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the um the destructors on the UAP Fringe who basically think ah dang it just say whatever you've got let it out there and
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hang it out there and I'm not one of those people I'm a journalist and to give you a good example I once got leaked details of the deployment of
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Australia's SAS to the Western desert of Iraq and I knew in advance that our special forces were being dropped into
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the Western desert of Iraq in um the period when we were about to take back uh or or if you like supposedly liberate
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Iraq from Saddam Saddam Hussein what a misery of a war that ended up being but I um I was in touch with a member of one
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of those units and um they told me they were going in and it was very clearly understood that I was being given a
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heads up purely and simply that I knew what that they were doing what they were doing not that I could run it as a journalist and in this case there are
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very very good reasons very sound reasons that I except for national security reasons shouldn't be imparted
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and people can squark as much as they like I I really don't care I mean I I think people need to understand that if
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this subject is to be taken seriously we have to apply the rigor and the objectivity and the standards that we use in traditional journalism which is
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that we don't put people's lives at risk we don't jeopardize sources and we we certainly don't imperil men and women
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young men and women who are doing honorable and decent things for their country yeah I think we we have one shot at this and it's got to be done the
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right way so I completely understand absolutely um well listen obviously the Jake Barber story is is kind of the big thing that you broke recently and you
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know there's been questions surrounding it because it it really is such a big quite crazy sounding story so I wonder
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if you could talk me through the kind of two-year investigation and and the rigor that you put into to vetting Jake and and the other the other guys that came
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forward as well I can tell you that when I first met Jake Barber I thought he was what some people are suggesting I've
Chapter 2: Vetting the Jake Barber story
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seen on social media some kind of CIA plant um I thought this was some kind of scop that was designed to lead me off on
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some kind of wild goose chase and um look frankly
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uh without going into too much detail um I've more than satisfied myself that Jake and his team
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have taken extraordinary risks to bring this story to the public Arena and they're more than a little beused and
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frankly frustrated that there are dimwits out there in the uh Community who take it upon themselves to
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essentially suggest that these people are doing this for less than honorable motives um simple fact is Jake is the
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one person who's put himself to the test he said if you don't it wait and see we're going to prove it and I've seen it
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I mean I've seen the summoning operation happen I've seen AIC attract the phenomenon I know it can happen I don't
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know how they do it I don't know how the human brain is capable of such things but I've more than satisfied myself that
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an operation took place where perhaps there was correlation not necessarily causation I think what we'd like to see is something that can definitively in
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some way prove that there was a causal connection between the psychic summoning if you like that we've all witnessed
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taking place and the arrival of what seems to be some kind of intelligently controlled object and look I mean I'll
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tell you I'm a hardened skeptic along with the rest of them and the first time I ever heard about this I thought to myself oh this is a lot of balani this
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is nonsense and then I started talking to people I started checking out the bonafides of Jake Barber
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and there's a lot of Jake Barber's history that I can't reveal um he's basically connected into a group of
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people who are the very elite of America's military and by definition a lot of the work that they do is secret
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uh but I've more than satisfied myself that he worked in a role for an intelligence agency and that more importantly he was selected to be part
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of that intelligence agency as part of a a feed program from the tier one selection program that he was on at the
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time where he was essentially um in in a program that was training him up as a tier one operator um he was diverted out
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of that program and found himself in an intelligence agency where he operated under non-official cover and I'll be the
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first to admit that um uh when you I mean I've dealt with people in the intelligence Community before especially
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people who are essentially knocks and I think it might have amus people to know that there are actually people working in the UAP media Community who are
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knocks for the intelligence Community um this is actually a very common thing but
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um Jake Barber um made it by the very nature of his work extremely difficult
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to prove the the veracity of what he did and does suffice to say there's a lot of background information that's been
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provided to me that more than SA I me that he was working for a particular intelligence agency until very recently
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and that um he um was also uh working as a subcontractor for a private Aerospace
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company at a particular facility that he calls the range and it's a measure of
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the guy that he's done a very measured disclosure it's not done with any official impr premature he's not being
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allowed to do this as some kind of controlled disclosure um what he's done is he's basically sought permission to
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tell a story and um they've told him what he can and can't talk about and in the course of that he's not allowed to
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reveal the intelligence agency that he's worked for and he's not allowed to reveal the location where he operated
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and he's um uh not allowed to reveal the name of the Aerospace company and that's something that I respect I I happen to
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know the name of the Aeros space company that he worked for and I'm very aware of the operations that he conducted for them and that's been part of my proving
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process is actually verifying independently uh what he tells me and one of the things about journalism is
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the story is almost 1% of the story there's 99% of the story in the background where you're doing the checking I think the best measure of
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Jake Barber's veracity is that he's already given 4 and a half hours of testimony to the Senate Select Committee for intelligence and I've spoken to
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people who were in the room with him and they've told him they've told me rather that they've regarded him as a person of high vacity and they believe his story
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and more importantly they've been able to check his bonafides as well moreover if there was any doubt whatsoever if
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there was a hole that the defense department or the intelligence Community could pick in the uh story of Jake Barba
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don't you think they would have leaked to one of the more tame supplicant little Toadies on the social media Spectrum by now so that they could try
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and denigrate him uh all they've done is basically uh attempt to have a go at him for being incredibly open and honest
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about the emotional experience of his encounter with what he believes was the phenomena and I think people should be sitting back and taking note of the fact
Chapter 3: The UAP fringe and risks
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that here you've got a guy that was trained at the absolute top level of America's military he's Beyond any shadow of a doubt one of the most highly
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trained soldiers uh who developed into becoming essentially an undercover operative for an intelligence agency
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these guys are meant to be made of steel but there's an emotional fragility about him about the phenomenon that I find
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absolutely fascinating and it's the same with his colleagues Fred Baker and Don Paul Bales they've all been affected by
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the phenomenon in different ways but all of them say that it's been profoundly spiritual for them and I think that's
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why they feel the need to come forward because they they think this is too big a secret to be kept for this long and moreover
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there's no real justification for the continued secrecy uh there is probably stuff that ought properly to be kept confidential
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if it gives the United States some kind of military or strategic advantage against potential foreign adversaries but at the heart of it they
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passionately believe that you the public have the right to know that we are not alone that the United States is fully
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aware and has been aware for decades of a non-human intelligence engaging with this planet and if that sounds like
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cockin nonsense then go away and watch the Kardashians I don't really care the the the the bottom line is um the
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government of the United States is begrudgingly being being forced very slowly into an admission that this is a
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reality and uh I think we're seeing especially with the announcement this week of the Anna Paulina Luna task force
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the transparency task force that has as one of its focuses the UAP subject at some stage the
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sluggish dull Legacy Media is going to wake up to the fact that this is a story and maybe they might start applying the
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resources and um uh investigative teams to the subject matter that ought properly to be being applied to a subject like this um so
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yeah I mean my answer is that I've done a very very rigorous checking process with Jake Barber probably one of the
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best measures of why I strongly believe a story in addition to the other corroborative material that
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I've seen is the level of caution that they had for their own safety and for mine when we were meeting
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with them uh basically they were armed to the teeth um I was I was escorted in an armored vehicle with machine guns and
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um all manner of Weaponry um these people weren't taking any chances and that's because of the risks that they've
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been exposed to on the job and without going into a lot of detail for reasons that I I'm sad to say I can't detail
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here they've been provided to the Senate intelligence committee um there's been some incredibly dangerous things that
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have happened on domestic us soil that really do go to the heart of the issue of the ridiculously unnecessary secrecy
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surrounding this whole program it's getting dangerous and it's out of control and
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the president the Congress needs to assert their legislative and constitutional Authority and do the
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proper thing and restore oversight to a program that essentially lost its way 60 70 years
Chapter 4: Hidden video evidence
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ago yeah I mean it it's incredible you know I I'm really backing Jake and the sky Watcher team completely I'd like to
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talk about the um you know we had news Nation reveal the the egg video uh alongside the interview are you able to tell me if
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Jake has any or or the team or anyone has provided you with any other uh sort of videos that that aren't out in the public domain have you seen anything
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else um I I'm aware of other videos yes and I know that there is other video
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material extensive video material which I think has been offered and may indeed already have been provided to the Senate
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intelligence committee and moreover and moreover to arrow and this is the interesting thing
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is Arrow the pentagon's UFO fo investigation office under Dr sha Kirk Patrick was provided with a great deal
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of information and intelligence by Jake Barber Andor one of his colleagues in a briefing actually it was one of his
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colleagues and mysteriously all of that information that was provided to Arrow at that time disappeared from Arrow's
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files and it wasn't until Jake Barber after his friend had given the briefing to Dr Shan Kirkpatrick it it wasn't
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until Jake barber went to Arrow after Kirkpatrick had left and spoke to the new director Dr John klosi and provided
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klosi with the details of the information that was provided previously to arrow that Arrow itself realized that
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there was no longer information in its possession that had been provided to Arrow
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previously someone had removed that information no not don't know who but
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bottom line is Arrow's job is to investigate uaps I can assure you Dr John klosi fills me with a greater
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degree of confidence than his predecessor and um whilst his hands may be tied and the defense department might not want the rate of disclosure to be as
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fast as it appears to be becoming at the moment um I I do get the impression that he's quite serious about um investigating the phenomenon properly
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and I know for a fact that he's asked to accompany this skywatcher team when they do their next
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summoning wow that's that's encouraging yeah I mean I I do think I I think you know it's funny we all assume
Chapter 5: Government secrecy and fraud
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conspiracies before screw-ups and I mean I've got a great saying always assume a [ __ ] up before a conspiracy um and and
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it's something that you're taught in investigative journalism when you're doing the work is that it's very easy to look at a scenario and think that this
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is a bunch of evil bastards concealing something and sure there are a bunch of evil bastards who are concealing
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something here but in bu by the reason for the concealment isn't I don't think I'm not persuaded that there's any great
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secret that's needing to be protected nobody and I always ask this question I've I've met multiple people now inside
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the Legacy UAP retrieval or reverse engineering program military people civilians scientists every single one of
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them I ask them is there any good reason why the public can't know that nhi a non-human intelligence is engaging with
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this planet and that the US and other countries know all about it and a couple of them have scratched their heads and tried to make arguments but 99% of them
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have said to me categorically there is no good reason for the public not to know and ultimately it's just easier for
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these stiffs in suits to keep this secret um it it really is easy year there's a presumption of secrecy and
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it's funny I I did a story years and years and years ago about the Australian secret intelligence service Asus which is our equivalent of the MI6 and um I
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interviewed a guy who was quite a senior um station Chief in a very well-known um location actually he was in in India in
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New Delhi and uh he told me that that the thing that would amuse me as a journalist I had this impression of sort
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of Daring Do and Espionage and you know downloading encrypted cables back to canra of top secret conversations with
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all sorts of sources and he said to me look Ros 99% of the stuff that we put secret stamps on is pretty mundane most
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of it comes from newspapers most of it's open source information very rarely is there really good human human
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intelligence and and frankly the reasons for the secrecy have become almost an excuse uh and I think one of the things
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that really strikes me about the secret world is have a look at the history of the secret world have a look at what
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happened in 911 where you had compartmentalized PODS of secrecy all across the United States intelligence
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Community which meant that the CIA didn't share with Homeland Security I don't know if it was Homeland Security didn't share with the FBI or the FBI
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didn't share with the CIA or the dod didn't share what they had and because none of the these intelligence agencies were talking to each other terrorists
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with ill intent came into the United States and attacked the World Trade Center the Pentagon and every other
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place in in 2001 and it's horrendous that that happened but it happened
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largely because of excessive secrecy and what I take great heart from is that in the wake of that tragedy they created
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the Director of National Intelligence whom Tulsi gabbard is now going to be the head of and she's going to and she's
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very avowedly determined to do so she's going to try to investigate the UAP secrecy and if they find um failures of
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oversight if they find Criminal fraud concealment which I know they're going to find if they look it's all going to
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come out and at the moment it's really interesting because I think the defense Aerospace Community can hardly believe
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what's going on because they had this cozy little secret now for years and all they've ever needed to do is put a stiff in a suit in a uniform and walk up to
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people and Mumble National Security National Security can't talk about it but you know it'll be good if you didn't take this any further and people just meekly roll over and accept it and you
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know we all know the usual suspects in Congress that have done that for so long but there is a cultural change happening
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here because the American taxpayer is entitled to ask what's happening with my money
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why can't we fix bridges in Baltimore why are our roads falling apart why are there record numbers of homeless people
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you know why is the health system such a disaster and a large part of the reason is because of vast amounts of money are
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unaccountably going into the bottomless pit of National Security expenditure and as Elon musk's do has politely asserted
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this week they cannot account for trillions of dollars and now they're being told they have to do an audit they
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have to account for every single line item that's going to be a really interesting moment because frankly the
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reason they can't is because they've been using um and we know this we we know that they've been using real
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programs protected under saps to divert huge amounts of money into an allegal
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probably Criminal Legacy UAP program and that's illegal under the Constitution you can't hide that with a presidential
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executive order or a presidential emergency action directive the Constitution is the dominant legislative
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document and it asserts that the Congress has to be properly informed about the expenditure of public monies
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and it hasn't been and it's that simple principle that I think is going to restore disclosure very soon I
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suspect I hope so and I mean there are I think there are certainly different angles that it may come from I mean you mentioned there the the new declassification task force set up by
Chapter 6: JFK assassination connection
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anapo and Aluna but you know we know that they don't have subpoena power well yeah but they they will have subpoena power if James coma the chairman agrees
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to give it to them are you confident that that'll work though H look it's nowhere near what we were going to get
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which was a presidential records review board which no thanks to Mike Turner of Ohio we were not able to get I mean
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basically there was intervention blatant lobbying by the defense Aerospace community and the Pentagon to stop that legislation from going through in
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December last year and if it hadn't been thwarted we would have a presidential records review board that it already begun the process of declassification of
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UAP files um I look I I don't want to pour cold water on the hopes that we've
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got for the transparency task force they're obviously going to make the JFK files their first priority and
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interestingly enough I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was a connection between the murder and and when I say the murder I mean the cetar
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the conspiracy by the state to murder JFK and UFOs I'm in no doubt whatsoever there were multiple Shooters and I've
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spent a lot of time investigating that story I did a special about it for news nation and I've spent a large part of my
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life reading every book on JFK and I just for the life of me do not understand how America has been able to
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tolerate for the last 60 plus years the absolute lie that President Kennedy was killed by one lone shooter Lee Harvey
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Oswald and at the heart of that conspiracy is what is the problem with the UAP issue whether it's connected or
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not it's this idea of a National Security State that because of the paranoia and the fear during the Cold
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War was given ridiculous power and you know Alan Dallas the then CIA director was effectively sanctioned by Eisenhower
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to go out and murder will leaders and including Fidel Castro and God help us um what's his name the guy in the Congo
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lumba it's a tragedy that these kind of things happened and as um as has been demonstrated time and time again most of
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these decisions by the secret state by the CIA in particular were utter folies they were unsuccessful covert operations
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that were done in the name of National Security that just undermined America's security uh there's a great book called Mark Wier called Legacy of Ashes that
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basically tells the story of every known CIA covert operation since the second world war and it makes the point that
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every single one of them was a failure there's a great podcast at the moment um
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uh oh God the rest uh is it the rest is spying I've forgotten what it's called but essentially uh it's a couple of
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Brits telling and a Brit A Yank telling a story about um in the first episodes the overthrow of the Shara in Iran and
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and the causes why the CIA was essentially involved in an overthrow uh
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of the then um slightly nationalist leader of Iran which led eventually to
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the fall of the Sha and the the um beginning of extremist islamism in in Iran and essentially it's largely
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because of driven by Iranian Fe fear and and hatred of
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Americans improper dealings inside Iran and meddling inside Iran and it's that kind of secret manipulation behind the
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scenes that has done so much to discredit the good work done by America in much of the last 60 or 70 years and
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again we've got this ranked secret of the UAP mystery and I actually think they're just sitting on it at the moment
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because they're frankly Twi twiddling their thumbs not knowing how to deal with it I suspect there are gray Faceless Men sitting in a bunker
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somewhere thinking how the hell do we deal with this we're going to be audited how do we account for the hundreds of
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millions if not billions if not trillions of dollars that have been expended on the Legacy retrieval program
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um what is the one argument that we can make that can justify to the president why he should continue to keep this
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secret and is it even plausible that this will be kept secret I don't think it is when you have people like Jake Barber coming forward with his team and
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believe me there's a lot more where he came from good to know good to know I mean we hear about a lot at the moment about the
Chapter 7: Reverse engineering technology
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crash retrieval side of the Legacy programs we don't hear so much about the reverse engineering or attempts to reverse engineer have you spoken with
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anyone within the Legacy programs that are focusing on that aspect of of the subject
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yes cuz there's this a old question is some people believe we cracked anti-gravity back in the 50s after you know the Roswell craft and then there
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are people now that say we can barely even get inside these things let alone understand how they work where do you sort of lie on that scale I can't say
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definitively what I know because I don't know for sure I do know we've had Materials Science failures um I I don't
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think we've been able to replicate the hull the the the construction of these craft it's essentially manufactured at
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an atomic level it's beyond our Material Science kin and frankly I think that's one of the reasons why you're seeing
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this really interesting um division this divide starting to happen where pretty big money is coming into operations like
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skywatcher from Silicon Valley and who are the best people in the world in Material Science right now who are
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building the most miniaturized Technologies in the world world right now guess who Silicon Valley and they're
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pissed they're really angry that they've discovered that this whole UAP secret has been kept from them and that a bunch
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of Legacy private Eros based companies purely and simply because they were around at the time were given the benefit of this technology that has
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probably Amplified their share price beyond all value I mean there are allegations that for example some of
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this technology has been able to be developed to assist in the development of some of our more advanced Aviation
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Technology um it may very well be that we haven't been able to crack the Holy Grail but we've certainly been able to develop Technologies from it that have
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advanced American fighters and um stealth spy planes in particular far more than any other nation in the world
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as for anti-gravity I find it very hard to believe that the United States has not cracked anti-gravity because I'm told
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that the science behind it is not all that complex nor is the science of Zero Point Energy um it's a monstrous allegation to
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make and I know there are people who''s been making the allegation for years that the zpe and anti-gravity have been
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cracked many many years ago possibly as early as the 60s but I strongly suspect that the
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Americans or a private Aerospace company know how to do basic anti-gravity but whether that means that
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they can Propel craft at Interstellar speeds across the universe that's another question entirely because then you need Material
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Science that allows you to do what those craft purportedly do from the nhi um I just don't know what I have
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spoken to is multiple people in the Legacy program who are some of them scientists who are
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deeply deeply frustrated as scientists that their good efforts to investigate this technology which they're really
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excited about is being frustrated by compartmentalized secrecy to the extent that their lives are threatened and
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their family's lives are threatened they are monitored constantly and the techniques with which they reached out
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to me and contacted me were originally way beyond my understanding I never knew it was possible to communicate in the
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way that they communicated with me and um it's incredibly difficult to keep in touch with them because of that because they know they're being monitored but
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the message that I get from them overwhelmingly is that they are deeply frustrated that the public is not being told at the very least this incredibly
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exciting and positive and optimistic thing that there is a non-human intelligence that is vastly more advanced than us multiple such
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intelligences they're interested in in engaging with us and basically for much of the last 70 80 years we've sought to
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derive a military Advantage by keeping it secret and the irony is the secrecy has actually frustrated our ability to
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crack the science and what's needed is an international effort a collaborative effort where we get all of the nations
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of the world collaborating to break the science forget our differences and I I think one of the um
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one of the explanations by the way for the failure to reveal knowledge of zpe is and I do accept that this is a good
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argument to a point there are extremist religious groups or fanatic groups far right groups far left groups
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that are just crazy enough that if they knew how simple some of this technology is you could basically obliterate things
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in a way that far exceeds the capability of thermonuclear weapons it's a it's a whole level of bad danger far beyond
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what we know at the moment and I know it's easy to say that sort of stuff and um people will go well I want to know
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more I want to know more detail the word scalar weapons is something people should be looking up they're purportedly
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fictional they're purportedly non-existent I would suggest people think again
Chapter 8: Whistleblower challenges
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wow okay that's interesting I mean uh we're talking about whistleblowers and that you know
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with the the sort of scrapping or the failure of the the ndaa uh last year and you know there were no new whistleblower
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protections added which we were we were hoping happen and then Jake barar comes forward does that does that give people
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behind the scenes confidence in potentially coming forward that we may see more whistleblowers even though that that extra prote isn't there do you know
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the biggest hindrance I think to whistleblowers right now is the snide
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carping from the community of people who for years have been asking firstand whistleblowers to come forward I mean if
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I was Jake I wouldn't have done it I mean why in God's name would people come forward risk their careers I mean he's walked away from a secure job that he's
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held for 20 years along with his colleague because he passionately believes you guys have a right to know
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what he knows and um what does he coped oh he's a CIA plant or um you know uh he's got he's a
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false flag operation and there's all these so terribly well-informed trolls on social media who just make these
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specious assertions without any understanding of what it involves for people like somebody like him to come forward uh and the checks that have to
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be done behind the scenes to verify his bonea fetes um if I was a whistleblower I'd be thinking you know what maybe we're not
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ready maybe maybe people are just too immature to deal with the the ontological shock of this reality I mean
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it's funny I've actually had a conversation with somebody in private Aerospace who rang me up out of the blue I didn't know how they got my number but
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they're from a very prominent private Aerospace company and we had a very Frank conversation of about disclosure and I said you know why why not why not
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reveal it and the argument that I got was people aren't ready and I have to admit the immaturity
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the uh nastiness the I mean there's been a I agree a solid rump of people who've been
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very supportive of Jake but um frankly I I mean I I I just I would
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question if I was a whistleblower I would I if I would question as a journalist if I was being asked and I am I'm being asked by whistleblowers whether they should come forward I would
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not encourage them to come forward right now because um I don't sense even though
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Anna porn Luna representative Luna is making all these noises about the UAP issue being focused on in her committee let's just wait and see let's just see
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what they can achieve in six months I think six months is ridiculously short for a start and and you're right they
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should have subpoena powers and they really should have the status of a full select committee with full subpoena
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powers and the power to conduct and hold full public hearings um it's crazy if
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they're serious about this issue they should be putting it on a Podium and
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um getting aggressive and I I I don't see a level of aggression from the political class
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uh it's it's weird and I think part of it on the religious right is the spooked by the um the implications of the
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spiritual ideas that are being conveyed that essentially at the heart of this is the possibility that what religion has
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sought to explain for 2,000 years might in fact be simply the human brain engaging with some kind of uber
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Consciousness that's got nothing to do with certain religious beliefs or maybe it's the other way maybe it is a Rel belief and they're worried that essentially what we're doing is
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attracting something demonic that's certainly the line that I get from a lot of people in the US Air Force that essentially we shouldn't be engaging
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with this and we shouldn't be acknowledging its existence or making people aware of it because it's demonic and I can tell you I've spoken to people
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who genuinely believe that and look I I can't dismiss it out of hand either to be perfectly honest we don't know what
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the intentions of the nhi are uh I just know that there is an advanced intelligence that is is engaging with humanity and if you look at most world
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religions at the heart of it what is God what are angels what are demons I mean
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maybe they are ways of describing what people have encountered over human history and never fully understood and
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maybe they are capable of evil um certainly the impression I get and the impression that um Jake and his team of
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got is that it is certainly the entities that they've been engaging with friendly
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compassionate loving indeed um and uh you know there's any number of other
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reasons frankly why at the moment if I was really genuinely asked by a whistleblower and sat down I'd be saying
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just keep your pow to dry let's just wait and see what these guys in Washington DC show
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because I I was really disappointed for example with the White House spokeswoman making the statement on the drones that
Chapter 9: Media and political failures
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was made uh where you know you had the FAA the Federal Aviation Administration in December and this is really important
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it's PE important people understand this as a journalist I'm taught to look for contradictions in official policy okay
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this is a huge one you could drive a truck through the holes in the official line here so the FAA says in December
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that these drones are not authorized they don't know the source of them they don't know anything about them and you know they're concerned about them they're a national security threat and a
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public safety threat that's the evidence they gave under oath to the Congress roll forward a month and then the White
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House comes out under the new Trump Administration it's a bit more than a month and all of a sudden they just make this one sentence statement that the
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drones were authorized faia authorized research drones and for other purposes and this is the thing I just
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felt like throwing a rock at the TV set when I saw this because you know not one journalist in the White House Press Corp
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that lazy supine bunch of fat ly asses I don't know what the [ __ ] they do all day but they're sitting there and there is
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just the biggest story dropped in their lap all it took was for one journo to say hang on a moment just come back for
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a moment you said back your FAA said back in December that these were not authorized that there was no knowledge
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at all about these objects are you saying that the FAA lied under oath what's the truth here in what way were they research
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drones there was just no inquisitiveness at all no curiosity at all and I guess I see everything in that context because I
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happen to believe that at least some if not most of those drones at different times have been nhi especially the ones
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over the different Air Force bases and the British bases and I think what's happening is that the United States is trying to explain away the presence of
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the these nhi drones by putting up some of their own advanced technology and that's what people have been seeing they've been seeing two different sets
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of objects in the sky orbs and then these more craft likee drones that appear to be operating using navigation
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lights and things like that but then also displaying somewhat anomalous properties to me the fact that there's
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been a complete lack of curiosity in pretty much all of the main mream media except for Fox News and the network I
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work with news Nation to a to a network nobody deployed investigative
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teams outside the other networks none of the newspapers deployed any kind of investigative team to go out and investigate all they did was get the
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usual tame supplicant skeptic debunkers to write articles saying this was all a
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historical um flap and and the public were misleading themselves go back to your go back to your bedrooms nothing to
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see here move on and and frankly I just think that's a disgrace and if I was somebody in the Legacy program right now
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looking in looking at both the political response the media response and more importantly the social media response to
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somebody as courageous as Jake Barber and his colleagues coming forward I would be thinking to myself I'm just GNA
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wait and see what happens with Anna Paulina Luna's transparency committee and the various uh oversight and
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intelligence committees investigations into these allegations because that's the other thing the Senate intelligence committee the house armed services
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committee the Senate armed services committee the oversight committee they've all had this stuff from Jake Barber and his team and other Legacy
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whistleblowers for months well before we went public why haven't they done anything with it and I I spoke to a
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senator who is on the Senate uh uh intelligence committee and I know that
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their staff were aware of the allegations that were made by Jake Barber they were not aware of the
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allegations made by Jak Barber why because the staffers had elected not to pass it on why now one of the problems I
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have with Washington is staffers are often serving two masters
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they're serving the politician that they work for and they're also Keen to make sure they get a job in private Aerospace
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after they leave politics working in the Congress and is it the case that some people have allowed themselves to be
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compromised by the positions that they hold have politicians not been fully apprised inside the Congress of what's
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being told to the Committees because the there's been this cozy little practice where politicians um quarantined themselves
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from the danger of somebody like Jake Barber coming forward by deploying senior staffers often legal council to
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go and take their evidence in a secret skiff and then it's up to the staff to decide what or or how much of what this
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person's told them they pass on to their political minder and that's the game that's played in Washington DC and frankly in that kind of a climate if I
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was a whistleblower I don't know if i' trust these mongrels and that's the problem these people are as Jake has
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done being invited to take incredible risks I mean it's an on the record allegation from Jake Barber and his team
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that people have been murdered to protect these secrets period now I know there's an FBI team investigating
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there's a covert FBI investigation underway at the moment and I've known about it for some time I think the story or the fact of that investigation broke
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very recently but I'm heartened that we've now got a
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more tenacious head in the FBI on the UAP issue in the face of Nash Patel and
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also that we have a dni in Tulsi gabard who have avowedly expressed an intention to get to the bottom of the UAP mystery
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as has John Ratcliffe over at the CIA but how aggressive are they prepared to be will they will they you know die
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on a rock in order to protect um the Public's right to know or
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are they susceptible to the same kind of conversation that has probably happened a hundred times in the last 60 70 years
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where a senior official in a uniform walks into a politician's office and says look um we were thinking about
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building a new Factory for Gazoo nuclear weapon system targeting modules and we think that part of your
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political electorate would be a really good place to locate it but this there's just one problem we've got at the moment and that's this UAP thing it's a big
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diversion for us it's taking too many of our resources away at the moment and frankly it'd be a hell of a lot easier if we didn't have to deal with it what
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what do you think do you like the idea of a factory and your electorate we can help you there and that's how Washington works every politician susceptible to
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that kind of manipulation and I just worry about the fact that you've got fairly Junior people in representative Luna who are
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leading the transparency committee I don't doubt her integrity and I don't doubt her zealous commitment but why is
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James coma not putting his face and name to the committee you know it's very much the more junior members of the UAP
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caucus who've basically gone public on this issue why are people like like for example now Secretary of State MCO Rubio
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staying silent why hasn't Trump president Trump made any kind of executive order on uaps he could solve this mystery in a
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Flash told a son he would and this is the issue I think we're entitled to be skeptical we're entitled to think look
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politics works very differently in Washington DC it's very transactional what's in it for me and so a politician
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is sitting there at the moment and he's thinking wow this is a secret that's been kept for 70 80 years I accept it's true but I've got this guy in a suit in
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my office who's telling me that you know it's going to cause me all sorts of problems uh you know they're going to take this arms Factory away from where
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I'm um trying to win votes um I'll probably you know lose about two or 300 jobs in that part of my um in that part
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of my district uh wow this is a real problem easier just to let it slide easier not to let it happen and believe
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me the lobby s Behind these big aerospace companies are incredible and it's no coincidence that when you look
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at the people that have um I mean the best analogy I can think of is um you know the politicians who were squealing
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the most about the um the the moves on um uh the uh Department of Health you
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know and the the actions on covid-19 all of them are subjugates of big farmer and I mean it's not it's not a conspiracy
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theory it's a fact and uh you know the fact is money politics runs Washington DC and one of the most powerful lobbies
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in Washington DC for the last 70 80 years has been the military industrial complex President Eisenhower warned about it
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so I think we're entitled to be skeptical uh I'm hopeful really really hopeful and I guess um uh I would have
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liked to have seen the UAP issue at the Forefront of what representative Luna was pushing first off but the JFK story
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is a really good conspiracy mystery to start off with but I hope they don't lose their momentum I I hope they
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continue pushing hard because the UAP mystery if what we're being told is true
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it's a criminal Scandal that puts Watergate in the shadows yeah we do need that momentum because we only have to look back at the
Chapter 10: Private sector disclosure
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struggles that they had with trying to get David grush into a skiff and having the right clearances you know and they might need saps status they never did it
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all sounds really good that they're going to do this and they're going to do that but to get everyone with the right clearances the sap status at the right
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place at the right time it isn't going to be easy based on what we've seen historically so they can stand in front of the podium and promise all these
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things say they're going to do this but it doesn't fill me with confidence and I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that would agree but you know that
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leads me to think you know looking at what Jake Barbara and the skywatcher team are kind of planning to do you know could we completely bypass
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Congress and the government could Jake Barber's team actually bring us that's exactly what Jake wants to do as as he said to me in the interview you know we
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don't need Congress we don't need the National Security State to tell us what to do we can do it ourselves and I don't think people have fully realized yet
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what he's got he's got millions of dollars in private Equity funding from the big end of turn who know the official story is [ __ ] they know the
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public are being lied to I mean I went to a conference at esselin South of San Francisco uh which was a very restricted
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very high security conference attended by some very very high net worth people and some of the top scientists on this
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subject from all over the world and I was blown away by the interest from high
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level Silicon Valley people who clearly know categorically that there's a cover up and they think it's hilarious in
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using that the public is still allowing itself to be misled and deceived and they're operating on the assumption that it's real and positioning themselves by
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investing in skywatcher so that they can basically be there to develop what the US has kept secret quite improperly for
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60 70 years and there's nothing stopping them from developing that technology and I mean that's the exciting thing is that you know there's
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a real probability now that the material science technology will be out in the public domain and more importantly what you'll see and I've spoken to people in
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the Legacy program whove told me they want to do this as soon as they see a private Enterprise company in a public
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way working on the material science behind these objects they're going to jump from the Legacy program and come and help they want to go and work they
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might not go public but they want to go and work for these new companies they they really want to bring the knowledge and the knowhow that they've developed
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in the black and take it to private sect because they think everybody's got the right to know about this they are as frustrated as you and I about the
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[ __ ] way that we're still running on fossil fuels and that we are you know planes fall out of the air that there's technology there that they know about
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that can be developed to human advantage and it could put I mean I've actually had very IDE idealistic ideas from
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people inside the program who say if the public knew what we knew the world would lose its differences in a moment we
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would think of ourselves as human beings we would not think of ourselves as Russians or Chinese or Americans the
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reasons for Wars energy resources would largely disappear the technology is
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mindboggling and it is being suppressed and it's grossly Gravely improper that it's being suppressed take that as a
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given but if Jake and his team follow through with what they're doing and they're only a tip of
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part of what's happening with skywatcher what you're looking at is a transformation a paradigm shift that
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could user in a new Human Revolution and it would be the the kindling of an awareness of human
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consciousness and obviously highly Advanced Technologies it could also lead to new spiritual understandings about
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ourselves and possibly challenge a number if not all of the world's religions and I think a large part of
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the intransigence that we're seeing historically has come from the religious institutions notably the Catholic church that knows all about the phenomenon and
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knows all about nhi but has colluded in its suppression for decades yeah no for sure I mean let's
Chapter 11: Craft and bodies
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talk about we've had David grush you know historically talking about biologics and that he'd spoken with many witnesses about craft and then recently
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in this trailer for the new upcoming documentary the age of disclosure we have Jay Stratton admitting that he has seen the craft and the bodies now with
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you speaking with so many people in the Legacy programs have you had other people say that they have seen these things as well
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yes wow yeah I mean I can't tell you a lot about it but like you I just gasped when
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I saw Jake he's such a tease you know he goes you know Craft end bodies and boy that's one hell of a promo and I'm
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looking forward to hearing the full grab the full sync exchange um I really hope he goes into detail I mean people don't
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realize that that um Jay Stratton was senior to Lou aland at one stage in the UAP task force you know he he was read
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in to a lot of stuff as was Lou eventually um and he's got every reason
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to know what he says he knows and notice also some of the other faces that appeared in that sting I think James Clapper is one of the you know former
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dni these are Senior People John Ratcliffe now a CIA director uh it's fascinating it's fascinating to see
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these people speaking so candidly about what they're aware of how come they can do that I'm sure they haven't all done
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dosers and it's really interesting because I mean I I sense what's happening is the age of disclosure
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documentary is going to be key it's going to be a very big moment where it might just give that shove and the time
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is great too for Dan Farah and um Lou because you know it's going to Bob up pretty much at the end of what is it
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didn't they say it was March that it's going to run which if you think if you if you think about the timing so they're going to be doing JFK they got they've
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got all the evidence coming into the committee by February 18th on JFK so let's get the JFK conspiracy out of the way by end of February early March
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completely unrealistic of course what do you do next God damn let's get into uaps and uh perfect timing bang up comes the
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age of disclosure I mean anybody would think that this has been organized yeah I mean that it's it sounds great and we need that momentum
Chapter 12: International disclosure efforts
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this this really could be a a year for for really making that progress I really hope so well it's funny I was only I was
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I just I was just laughing because U I was hearing your British accent and I was thinking yeah I wonder I wonder outside of the US wonder which nation is
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the friendly nation that Anna Paulina lunar has said she's going to go and visit because it's already commenced the process of disclosure and um I'm just speculating
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but I'm assuming it's either France or Japan um and uh that's interesting I mean I'm I'm um you know I I think we
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should also be looking to our own countries here in Australia Japan France Britain uh you know it's important for citizens in all of those countries to
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ask their government well what are you doing about this I actually literally just before I came into this meeting I've been invited to speak at an event
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where a very senior pair of cabinet ministers from the Australian government are going to be attending and they've asked me to do a provocative speech on
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uaps and um I know both of the ministers and um uh I know their position on uaps
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and and fair to say one of them is inquisitive and um it's um it's going to be interesting because that would never have happened say a a year ago or two
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years ago um there's a there's a change happening and I'm finding for example I'm
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getting a much better caliber of public official or scientist reaching out to me
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wanting to engage um there's sort of an they're kind of creeping out of the nest basically just feeling their way wanting
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to know what people like I think and I don't pretend to know all frankly I I think you know probably I've got some
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things wrong over the years but um uh I'm doing the best job that I can do as a journalist but the the thing that
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really strikes me is I do I do sense a change a quickening uh and I think we're coming
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close to a Tipping Point where this issue is gathering momentum and it's funny you know because
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a lot of the time in the last seven years that I've been looking at this I've been struck and I've made countless
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comments about it been struck by the sluggishness and the failure to respond the inertia in media mainstream media
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and it's kind of depressed me and then I guess the Jake Barber Story made me realize not only do we not need the
Chapter 13: Future of UAP journalism
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Pentagon or the intelligence Community or the private aerospace companies that are hiding this we don't need to break that secret open we can reveal it by
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doing what Skywatch is doing which is doing its own summoning and its own retrieval hopefully and similarly with
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the media the media doesn't need some gray man in a suit sitting them down in an office giving them a briefing they're never going to get that it's never going
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to happen they're never going to admit to the lies and the um the falsehoods the the the deceit the deliberate
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program of disinformation that's a complete breach of laws that forbid disinformation on the American public um
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but what is going to happen I think is it's going to happen despite the media and the f fascinating thing to me is we're at a time when mainstream media is
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effectively dying it's dying on the vine and good [ __ ] riddance to it frankly I've worked in it for much of the last 35 years and it's hopeless it's failed
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to grasp this issue it's failed to grasp the immensity of the biggest story in human history and interestingly enough
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Vinnie it's people like yourself and myself who are operating online uh and in social media who are breaking this
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story Bit by Bit by Bit and that's doing exactly what the Legacy Media has done on other stories for the
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last 60 70 years but what really fascinates me is The Chronic failures that are now coming out in the last few
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weeks even I mean I remember as a journalist being approached about the Epstein story uh at 60 Minutes in
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Australia and mercifully in the end we did do a story but it took such a long time to persuade the mainstream editors
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uh in Australia that this was a reality that there really were establishment pedophiles that were going around raping young girls um and doing it with imp
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parent impunity and similarly with covid I can remember being contacted by epidemiologists in the Australian therapeutic Goods Administration our
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equivalent of the FDA who told me that uh we should really be questioning the efficacy of the vaccines and the MRNA
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vaccines in particular because there were contraindications that were not being properly explained to the public sure enough the levels of cardiac
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morbidity and mortality have now come to light the media failed to cover those stories just like they did fail to cover
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the hunter Biden laptop Story I mean what a disgrace it's true and it wasn't some right-wing conspiracy Trope it's
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true that 50-some intelligence Chiefs effectively deceived themselves by purporting that the hunter Biden laptop
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was Russian disinformation now I don't know whether they deceived themselves or whether they colluded in a deceit to try and stop Trump from becoming president
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but what a disgrace to allow the politicization of intelligence and there should have been a media investigation into the hunter
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Biden laptop their bloody will still should be it was corrupt I mean I I for the life of me do not know why there
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hasn't been a New York Times Washington Post LA Times Boston Globe Mass investigation into the absolutely
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disgraceful allegations that are revealed in that laptop contents which I happen to have here on my desk and you
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know some of what they show are disgusting why in God's name does the American public just roll over and
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tickle its tummy when an outgoing president pardons his son for what were clearly crimes and and why is it that the
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American Media has allowed itself to be so partisan that it became so obsessed in the desire to annihilate Trump and to
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destroy his chances of winning the election that they lost their objectivity and I think that's what's happened with this whole UAP issue that
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the media is so used to being spoonfed by the um the Pentagon they've no longer
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got the resources to deploy investigative journalists I mean what I've done I've spent a lot of my own money in the last two years talking to
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and chasing down Barber and other sources going and meeting people often just to sit down and spend time with
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them it costs money it takes time newspapers TV stations they don't fund that kind of work anymore it's
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old-fashioned plotting foot foot journalism and the um you know it's sad really because there has never been an
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easier time to cover something up than right now and that's why we are at a Tipping Point we could could very well
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find ourselves about to find out about the UAP mystery but it could just as easily all be put back in a box you know
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you could see a situation where the committee albeit well-intentioned the transparency committee or what is it
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called the transparency task force allow themselves to be misled unintentionally and that the whole thing is buried yet again for another 20 or 30
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years that's certainly what the National Security wants to happen and is hoping for they don't
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want this scandalous secret art I'm heartened that we've got people expressing all the right noises and all
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the good intentions in the right jobs but I'm skeptical so let's just wait and see what happens agreed agreed Ross got
Chapter 14: Time constraints and conclusion
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a few questions sent in if you don't mind if we just do a couple of those before I I'll let you go um this one here from UAP Ryan says Ross you talked
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previously on need to know uh regarding disclosure saying yes Bryce there is a constraint on time is there a time
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constraint uh no look I don't know simply I don't know I've heard 2027 I've heard 2034 I hear stories of
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catastrophes I hear stories of arrivals um they're just stories I mean how do
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you corroborate things like that I mean that's the problem I have with for example things like abductions and mutilation unless I'm there to see it how do you
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prove this stuff so if somebody says to me as has been said to me that 2027 is going to be a big year and then later on I hear 2034 is going to be a big year
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frankly I don't know I mean I really have no idea but yeah I mean there are there are people who say that there are
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time limits I certainly think this I think the nhi whatever it is is
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prodding Humanity's awareness of itself and I think that the so-called drones are part of that not all of it but part
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of that I think that what's happening is there is a deliberate engagement by the
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nhi with certain people you know they they're trying to prod human
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consciousness and I find it really interesting the number of people I meet who have suddenly developed an interest
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in the phenomenon after they've had one or two weird anomalous encounters it's
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like what's happening is the nhi is showing itself to people when i' I think I've told the story before but I had an Australian cabinet minister very very
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senior cabinet minister in a very senior portfolio contacted me and told me about his incredible UAP sighting which
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happened in a very public area and he realized that even though he could see the craft hovering over what was a crowded public Street and he could see
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every detail of it only he could see it whatever it was it was playing with his perception telling him that it was there
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letting him know that it was aware that he needed to know about it and he explained this to me and I thought he
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was mad but the interesting thing is the more I hear from people about that kind of twigging of Consciousness whilst they
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may not be a a restraint on time I think what's happening is the nhi are turning up the heat
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wow that's incredible that's incredible well it may be incredible because it it may be wrong you know and I hasten to Ed it it's just speculation on my part but
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yeah but now that story of the way he said that guy could is the only one that could see it we've heard that before we've heard that kind of thing before in
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other cases that's incredible um here we go this one's an anonymous person says Ross you kept the Jake
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Barber story quiet for two years does that mean you're working on something else and you're going to keep that quiet until it comes to fruition absolutely I
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am working on multiple stories right now watch this space fantastic that's it right Ross listen always a pleasure my
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friend thank you so much uh I really appreciate talking to you and again congratulations on the the Stella work with everything you've been doing so
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thank you thank you very much Vinnie and and thank you also to everyone out there who follows me and Vinnie you have no
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idea how important it is to get your support and your response and even your criticism at times um it really matters
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to me and I'm sure it matters to Vinnie as well it does indeed yeah thank you everyone has always been so supportive and that's what keeps me going a lot of
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the time because it is a lot of work a lot of things happening you know in my life so everything's appreciated well I
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it's funny as a journalist I've done so many stories on so many different things but I've never had a response and an
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engagement from the public like I've had on this issue on us APS it's it's next level and it's basically because
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whatever the mainstream media says whatever the debunkers and the Skeptics say people can smell [ __ ] when they see
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it that they can indeed on that note everyone thank you so much for watching and we'll see you on the next one for
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now take care goodbye