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This is actually a topic that is becoming mainstream.
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They've got a lot more knowledge about this than than they're letting on. And there there's clearly a whole lot being
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um left unsaid when it when it comes to all this.
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All right, everybody. The UFO files have dropped, but what do they show? And are we any closer to getting this closure? I have with me Darcy Weir and Rob Fliss.
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Darcy is a filmmaker and he also has his own podcast called UFO Review and with me I have Rob Fliss who has a podcast called Unveiled through Watch Mojo.
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Guys, thank you for joining me today. It's a pleasure. It's a pleasure.
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So, what are you guys thinking with these files that just dropped? We had two releases now. There's supposedly more coming on the way. What are your
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thoughts on these files? And do you think we're getting anything anywhere closer to disclosure with this?
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Darcy, you can take it away first.
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Uh, I would say that the files are a bit of a mixed bag.
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Like obviously it's cool to see that the actual
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presidential administration is behind a U a UAP UFO release. So I think that the
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UAP file release two like one and two are beneficial to
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the overall disclosure movement because this is actually
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a topic that is becoming mainstream, right? Like politicians are discussing
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this at at an astounding rate now. It's all over the news. It used to be kind of
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like a a segment that was either a joke or
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um you know just kind of a X-Filesish oneoff that news networks would cover um
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UFO events or UFO stories. And now it seems that you know Bill Maher's
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covering it, CBS, NBC, Fox, CNN, and um people are skeptical.
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I'll say that there's definitely some things that I'm worried about in regards to why they would be included in the files.
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Some things for sure look like a flock of birds or a single bird to me
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uh in Fleer, but um there are other videos that are
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prevalent enough in that uh you know release that seem legit, seem like
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something anomalous. Um, so you know, the the last greatest
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UAP files released was 2017, right? That's when we really got
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uh the tic tac, the go fast, the gimbal UAP videos. And people have can argue all day with MC West about those, but
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now we've got tranches of similar quality videos recorded in uh
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really high quality fleer from assets like Reaper drones or uh you know F-18s.
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So it it all looks legit when it comes from those kind of sources. The only
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reason I say that is cuz, you know, the fleer systems are not no joke. Like,
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they're meant to track enemies, um, contraband, you know, all kinds of things that are
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a national security threat, but they're picking up UFOs that sometimes are not seen in the human visual spectrum.
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and um therefore they're anomalous.
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Right. Right. Rob, do you have any thoughts on that?
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Yeah, I agree with Darcy on that. For the most part, um it's cool to see the administration making good on their promise to release
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stuff. Uh you know, we've been hearing promises about this for a while now. And so, it's good to to see them finally
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coming to light. And I also agree that it's great just to have more public discourse about it. Although part of me
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is also surprised that there isn't more mainstream attention put on this because yeah it is getting a little bit but you
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know I'm not hearing um you know my my family or my colleagues necessarily talk about this stuff you know when we gather
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you you'd figure something like this would be more prevalent prevalently discussed um maybe just that's just me because I'm I'm so into this stuff but
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it is being heavily talked about within the community itself and discussed um and I I'm not sure if the ball is really moving forward because as Darcy said,
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there's a lot of skeptics out there. And I don't think the quality of these videos is really moving the needle one
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way or the other or changing anybody's opinion. I feel like believers are still believers and skeptics are still skeptics. There is no smoking gun
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evidence that everybody, you know, is probably waiting for, right? Um, and yeah, it doesn't seem I
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mean, we got those New York Times videos uh in 2017. That's almost 10 years ago.
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And so, [snorts] I'm not sure that these new uh releases are really a step up in
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terms of, you know, level of believability or whatever information that is provided that can kind of like
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um give us any conclusions. So, it doesn't really feel like we're moving forward at a rapid pace. It's more like maybe a half step or something like that in my opinion.
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Right. I mean I agree. And the thing is it's interesting because I mean this is the most amount of transparency we've had on this subject in like forever.
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Like we're now all these documents that have been kind of locked up are finally getting pushed out to the public. But like you said, it doesn't feel like
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we're gaining any ground really. And that's because the general population still isn't paying attention. Even though all these files are out there,
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nobody's talking about it. And I've like talked to like, you know, friends that don't really know this subject well and I'm just, hey, like, hey, did you see
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there were like these UFO files released? Like, what really? And like they're all like surprised by it. And it's disclosure is not going to happen
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in my opinion until the general population actually starts paying attention to it and asking questions.
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And we can't seem to get past that.
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Yeah. I don't know what it is. I just feel like um there there needs to be something released that really gets
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people talking, you know, like like I mentioned that type of smoking gun evidence that's really hard to refute that kind of indisputable
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proof which we we don't have because there's an argument against everything that's been released so far and stuff that looks really cool on the surface
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like that, you know, that star video uh from the first batch of documents that was released which at first glance looks
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awesome and you're like, "Oh my gosh, that's so cool." And then, you know, immediately people are coming out, oh, that's a flare attached to a parachute
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and it's, you know, it's very easy to see it as that, you know, right? So, yeah, it's very difficult.
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Yeah, it's it the other thing about it is with all these videos and, you know, some of it is going to just be birds or
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balloons like like Darcy was saying. Um, but I know Tim Burchett mentioned recently in an interview, he said that
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he suspects there to be disinformation sprinkled in with all of this. Um, and I
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don't know if that includes these balloon videos or bird videos or like intentionally intentionally manipulated
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documents. I mean, do you see do you think that it would go down that path, guys?
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It's not hard for me to to believe that, you know, this is there is probably some disinformation
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sprinkled in there just to slow slow the process. I really feel like this is a drip feed and and I I I don't know who's
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selecting these videos that get released, but there I feel like there is likely some plan in place and and that
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this is just part of the the process that they're choosing to follow to not make it kind of like a landslide thing,
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like a very gradual slow process. Um, so to me that's probably the most likely
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explanation for it, right? And do you think it's actually going to end up culminating into some
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form of half disclosure or cuz I don't think we're going to get full disclosure. I think we're going to get some form of it maybe and it's going to
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be whatever narrative they want to spin on it. But I don't know.
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You know, I feel like for a lot of us, and I've heard this from guests on my show, you know, like disclosure for a lot of us has already kind of happened.
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And you don't have to look to government releases because there's so many there's so many testimonies from people about
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things that they've seen or been a part of. Um, a lot of abductees who, you know, have a certain level of credibility and and things like that.
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Like there's stories everywhere. um and databases like MUON that have like a ton of UFO footage and stuff that's way better than the things that the
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government is releasing, but people won't look there because it's not, you know, an official source. So, for a lot of people, disclosure has already
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happened. It's just increasing the number of people for whom disclosure has happened. You know what I mean?
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Right. Exactly.
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Um Yeah.
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Yeah. Darcy, I was going to ask you what you thought.
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Yeah. I I would say that sprinkling disinformation files into the tranches
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like trunch one, trunch 2 releases, um it serves this administration if they
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want to turn around and lean on arrow to debunk everything, right? So they have two options, two strategies to move
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forward. they can see how the audience like the public reacts and say okay
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let's either validate and you know continue to say we're not alone in the universe and we are being visited by
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some you know higher intelligence or whatever maybe that's the disclosure route they'll go or they can turn around
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and say yeah you know our mistake most of This is just birds, balloons, and uh parachutes with flares on them. You know what I mean?
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So, they have two options if they do it that way. Um, and
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it would suck, but you know, we're we're dealing with an an administration that's
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trying to win the favor of the public more than ever, right? Um,
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let's be honest, Trump's ratings are pretty low and people wanted more about the Epstein
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files. They didn't really get that. And um, it's looking more and more like
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there's this real divide in the United States and a lot of different countries
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in the West, right? Um, so they need something that wins the public
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back. And UFOs might be that thing, right? It might be right something where uh the public turns
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around and says, "Okay, we trust you more for doing that." Right? I think that's the strategy. So, um,
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and and I'll take it because I've been part of this UFO community for decades now, and I'm
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really interested to see if we get to a place where this becomes normalized and it's not super taboo. Uh, Rob and I live
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in Canada. It's probably always going to be taboo here, but uh you know when we visit the United States, it'll it'll
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feel like we're home. But um but yeah, I mean there's that and then
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disclosure itself, capital D disclosure is supposed to come from the president.
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Um and we might get that. We might have this trunch two, trunch three, trunch
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three, trunch four drop. You you never know, right? How far this is going to go, how many files they're going to
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release. And then the president walks to a podium and says, "I can't believe it, but yeah, you
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know, we're not alone in the universe and uh uh I'm going to dance now." Who knows, right? So
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yeah, I think you're you're right. It's it's kind of um the timing for it is uh is unique because as you mentioned the
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Epstein files, like that's what a lot of people are are still focused on. And it's like, all right, the Aliens is cool, but yeah, we want the truth about
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the Epstein files. And so, you know, I I feel like if capital D disclosure was to happen, things are so polarized right
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now in in the West that half of the population probably wouldn't believe it and the other half might and I'm not sure it would really solve any problems.
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Um because that's just the nature of of the way things are. So many people disagree on so many things. So, I don't know what it would take to get, you
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know, if the the actual truth um does get out to make everybody kind of believe it and all get on the same page.
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Right. So, you guys are both in Canada.
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So, has these tanches being released changed like anything as far as media
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attention in Canada? Is it still like is anyone talking about it or or not?
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I mean, I'm not a big uh news watcher, per se, so I wouldn't be able to tell you what's going on on the the mainstream like network news in in
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Canada, but I'm just not hearing people talk about it in in public or in social settings. Um, so yeah, I I don't think
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it's having too much of a of an impact, right?
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People are more excited about FIFA or like the NHL playoffs right now, right? [laughter]
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Yeah. Right. Yeah, I get that. Okay. I mean, it's it's the other thing is too when it comes to disclosure, if the US is going to disclose, if Trump's going
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to come forward and say, "Hey, you know, the aliens, sorry, Darcy, I can't do a uh an impression like you did. I'm not
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that good. Yours was pretty good. I can't do that." But if he were to come forward and say, "Hey, like, you know, there are aliens." What is that going to
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mean then for other countries? Because other countries have their own programs supposedly, right? And maybe not all of them, but maybe some of the major larger countries do.
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How do you think that's going to impact like is are all the other countries going to have to just like well have to follow suit and just it's going to spill
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the beans everywhere or what do you guys think on that?
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Yeah, you know what? That's a good point and I think that there definitely probably would be some countries that do follow suit and uh that might be what
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gets more people on board with it seeing that oh okay this isn't just the United States because you know I we're so
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focused on the information that the US has and we often forget that there's other countries with their own programs and their own you know hordes of
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information and files and whatnot and I'd love to hear more from these other countries um because you know it's it's
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frustrating um sometimes dealing with the murkiness of the way things operate in the US um and and Canada too. I mean like you know
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I don't think we're that much better. We don't have that much more transparency really um on this stuff. But yeah, to get other countries talking about it
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would probably help shift the needle a lot more than if the US just did it, you know, in isolation.
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Right. Right. I know Japan had had some conversations about it and had talked about working with the United States on
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it. Um, and I think I mean we know China and Russia have their own covert programs going on. Um, but you would
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think it would have to cause some type of tension or some type of like Donald Trump would have to be aware that
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if he makes this move, it could cause problems X, Y, and Z with China or X, Y, and Z with Russia because we're talking
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about now weapon systems that could be created with UFO tech and a ton of stuff.
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I I think that's I think It's actually less of a problem
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internationally than you think. So France, for example, [clears throat]
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in 2007, March of 2007, released their um 1600
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UFO files that were related to their airspace and their research
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for decades. Um, you know, these files were registered since 1954
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in their country. Um, Brazil had their own UFO files release um, in 2025.
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Uh, so you can look up the Brazil opens national UFO archives and their government made a statement.
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So, Brazil's started in 1952 and they tracked these things till 2023.
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Um, and their archive contains 893 sightings with pictures, videos. Well,
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mostly pictures and reports. I don't think they release videos. So,
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the United States is the leader here, and they've always been rumored to have
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captured craft bodies and been the bullies in the neighborhood to fly into other countries
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and retrieve that stuff because they were the most interested in being at the cutting edge of that information. So, they wanted to hoard it.
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That's why I think if the United States breaks this, other countries might take a sigh of relief and be like, "Okay, the bullies have released their information." You know what I mean?
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No offense. I I mean I I I love the United States and I love Americans, but
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in terms of this subject, that is the case that it's been uh it's been pretty
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rough that the secret the secrecy, the intimidation, all that jazz
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is mainly from the Pentagon, the intelligence agencies, and the the military um wings.
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of the government that have been keeping a tight lid on this. So I think uh it wouldn't really bother other countries.
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Other countries are just waiting, you know.
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Right. Yeah. And that's and that's a good point and I think I think you're probably right on that now that you explained it like that. I think you're
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probably spot on. Um, I think too when it comes to disclosure, you're gonna have, you know, you got
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talk about religious uh implications and things like that. Do you guys think it's going to have an impact on religion as the way people anticipate or do you
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think people are just going to kind of be fluid with it and be like, "Oh, okay." Yeah, I I think that people will probably just roll with it. Like, I
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don't see there being too much of an impact. And that's I've kind of changed my my position on that over time. Like I thought initially that you know
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religions would probably be severely impacted by this but then after talking with more and more people about it.
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First of all you know what better people to embrace you know um a a a universe full of of different species than you
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know groups who believe in a supernatural you know entity as the the basis of their entire religion. You know it's kind of like it's not that far of a
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stretch. And if you believe in God, then you can believe that, you know, he's capable of making other civilizations
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outside of, you know, our planet. So, I I think that, you know, that that kind of all tracks. I don't think religion would have too much trouble absorbing a
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reality like that. Um, so I don't really see it as like too much of a a risk to any religious institutions. It's more
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just like as um people's people's values might just
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change um realizing that there's so much else out there and there might be like a little bit less focus on like materialism and stuff like that. You
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know, realizing there's much bigger things out there than us. You know, maybe buying a new car isn't the the highest priority that I should have
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right now. And so maybe the economy will be affected in different ways. And I know that there's all kinds of concerns with like the technology associated with
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this that it can disrupt industries, the uh the energy sector, like all kinds of problems. So I feel like economically
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there's probably more challenges associated with this than there are like socially or with religions,
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right? And I agree and I think it shouldn't impact religion a lot. But I think again this comes down to if there
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is disclosure, what narrative are they trying to push, right? So you know there are folks in the United States government including
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the vice president who believes this is demonic by nature, right? So if they come forward and say, "Hey, there are
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demons flying spaceships and they're abducting us and they're blah blah blah blah blah." that's going to cause a stir
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and that's going to create havoc in a lot of different ways. Whether that's the real story or not the real story, if they spin that narrative, I think that
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could uh that could potentially uh obviously have a lot more uproar than there there's other life in the universe
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and they've stumbled across us and they've been visiting us.
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Yeah, that's one thing that I'm a bit concerned with. Like I don't understand why they're throwing the word demons and angels out there in association with this. It does smell a bit fishy to me.
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I'm not sure what the agenda is there.
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Um because you know that [clears throat] would imply that they've got a lot more knowledge about this than than they're
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letting on. And so like what is the real story there? There's clearly a whole lot being um left unsaid when it when it
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comes to all this. And so like that's that's the problem that I that I still have. Like there's so many people under
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NDAs who are unable to speak for various reasons. And like it's so much hearsay online about like just people people
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dropping little bits of information but can't can't really confirm anything.
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There's no proof of anything. But then you're getting the the Congress people talking about angels and demons like based on what you know. So it's that's
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one of the frustrating things. It's like the the clarity of the information is is murky. You're getting a lot of different narratives. Um, and it's unclear what
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the what the motive is there. Um, and maybe, you know, maybe look on on my
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show, I just spoke to an exorcist and he he talks about angels and demons and stuff like that, but he draws a line.
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you know, there's there's a conflation being made between um between a lot of these phenomena which are not not
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exactly the same thing. Um and so maybe that's part of it, too. Maybe we have distinct phenomena happening that that
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are being conflated with one another. I don't know, but you know, that's that's what I'm hearing some people say.
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So, if they're going to say, "Hey, these things are demons." and they're going to blanket statement that I mean I don't know how that like how
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does that affect other parts of phenomena like abductions that mean people are being taken by demons onto like ships like I don't know it's a
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weird it's a weird thing I'm not sure how all that's going to play out and we're I'm thinking really far ahead but it's an odd uh it's an odd dialogue to
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have I mean there hasn't really been any um overt acts of aggression on on a large scale
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uh by by you know UAP um phenomena. So if they are being labeled as demons, you
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know they're pretty tame demons for you know not not really doing much to the general public. So like that's another reason why I don't I kind of don't I don't buy it.
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Right. Agreed.
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Yeah. It's an important thing to take note of because it's messaging and
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at the end of the day it is an ideology, political messaging because that's a huge base. I've talked about this before.
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There's 221 Christians in just the United States alone. That's a huge chunk of your population.
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So when you say things like that, when the president's mainstreaming the idea of UFOs and nonhuman intelligence, you're bringing them along with you.
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You're saying, "We're not forgetting about you guys, too. Here's how you can look at it. They're angels and demons."
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And uh that does worry me a bit because it's kind of create it could create some
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serious stigma like that um spiritual psychosis surrounding the others whether they're good or bad.
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you start to think, well, they got if they are demons, they are bad, you know, and um
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if they're abducting people, maybe they're possessing them, you know.
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It's like all of these things that will come along with that.
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I uh yeah, I talked to I I've had this guy who's a friend in the past narrate in my
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documentaries. Uh, his name's Tony. Um, he runs the Confessionals podcast
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and Tony is very Christian, right? Um, he was part of that
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news drop that happened where pastors were meeting with an intelligence official. Remember when that was like
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becoming a big thing on Twitter and stuff like that?
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and he was one of the people that met with these pastors with an intelligence official that was saying,
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you know, disclosure is coming and they are angels and demons. Um,
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you know, and I love Tony. I think he's a great guy. Um, and I really appreciate
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what he did in previous documentaries with me, but I will never look at this phenomenon, a
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nuts and bolts phenomenon where you see craft in the sky. You take pictures of it,
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videos of it, and there's reports by pilots and, you know, every slice of
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life in between. Those are not demons or angels. Those are physical things that probably have
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occupants in the craft or maybe they're being, I don't know, flown by some kind of AI. That stuff is how I see it. And
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um it's it's kind of disconcerting. I mean, it like I said, it's messaging. I hope
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that um that group doesn't get left out of the discussion. I want them to
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be part of it, but it's to me it's not angels and demons. So, it's it's just
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annoying that I talked to this guy um Reverend like
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can't remember he's got like a huge Tik Tok following like 700,000 um Bishop James something
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and uh he's a Catholic. The whole demonology thing came from Catholicism.
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And when I asked him, you know, do you view alien abductions or UFOs as demons or
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angels? He said, "No, like that's just a separate thing." Um, sure, God could have created more than one intelligent
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life in the universe, but he said the purpose of a demon is to desecrate God's
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creation. And so what demons do, they don't fly ships, they are spirits. They
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invade a human body and they desecrate that body and they mutilate it and they make it sick and they defile, right?
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That's like their kind of mission and motus operendi. Um it's not to get into a flying saucer and fly over the
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capital, you know what I mean? Um, so I think it's
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uh just two different things, but it's being blurred right now. And you listen
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to Matt Gates, he he did a Twitter space recently and he was talking about
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um these mass uh events like the UK Ukraine war,
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you know, uh a tsunami event where people big portions of the population are dying or
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going missing. And he was saying that, you know,
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uh, he's been told that that is when nonhuman intelligence take
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huge swads of people and possibly, you know, eat them or do strange things to
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them. And uh when somebody in that space asked him
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where like who gave you this information? Was this in a skiff? He said no. It was one of my constituents
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just walked into my office and gave me this and told me this like how how are you qualifying that?
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Right?
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You know, it's it's kind of lame that that's part of the discussion. Um, and to me
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that proves Matt Gates knows all about this subject.
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Exactly. Right. [laughter] Right. Yeah. That's a really good point.
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Right. Um, [snorts] Darcy, I want to ask you another question. Um, because you've you've done you had a film that was about NASA, right? And kind of the cover
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up there. Some of these files that were released are NASA related like files and some audio files of like people talking.
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What are your thoughts on those files? NASA stuff.
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Well, I mean, some of the stuff that they released has been in my documentary. So, it was kind of weird
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getting a bit of validation when that stuff dropped in the first trunch. Um, specifically what what I saw were Apollo
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12 photos where there were anomalies above the lunar surface in the sky. uh
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objects, right, which shouldn't be there if if there are things flying around the moon um while the astronauts are there.
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There's also um transcripts from Frank Borman's bogey sighting during Gemini 7.
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And there's um Apollo 17, Jack Schmidt um
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who was the third, you know, there's three astronauts on each one of these missions. John Cernin,
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uh they all kind of have these UFO events that take place. And what Jack Schmidt talks
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about, there's actually an audio recording that they released where they're talk he's talking about all of
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these lights that are in space um near their capsule when they're traveling to the moon.
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Um and John Cernin who uh you know wrote a book last man on
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the moon. He talks about when he saw lights above the lunar
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surface flashing when they were doing their moon walks. And when he was sleeping on the moon, he saw what seemed
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like these lights coming into his head or at his head. Um, so kind of like paranormal uh events.
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And um I think that's pretty typical for space. Um, I
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don't know if there's radiation out there that kind of messes with the uh human psyche, but I know that it was
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well reported during the X-15 missions, Mercury, Gemini, and all the Apollo man missions pretty much except for 13.
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um UFO sightings and pictures taken and
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video DAC motion picture uh footage taken and released
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um knowingly or unknowingly. And NASA's default all these years later is nothing
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to see here. there. There's no intelligent life out there except for us and we don't have any UFOs in our files.
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I think that's right? I I 100% agree with that, man.
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Um, I have some videos that I pulled up from the trunch and I just want to play a couple videos and kind of get your
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your your input on them and your thoughts on them. So this video uh this shows a UAP which they labeled
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as erratic movement. That's what they called this file. Um so in this file for
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the most part of this video you can see this thing. It's just kind of flying straight right now. Um at some point in the video I think it's closer to around here.
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All right. It's like buffering now. But so it start it's no longer flying straight. It starts making curves and twists and turns changing speed and direction.
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I mean what are what are you guys thoughts on this?
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I mean to me this is not a balloon, right? So it's hard to say with a lot of these videos because they they black out um
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you know the the metadata. So, you have you have no idea of exactly how fast things are moving. There's it's really
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hard to say. Um, and and for somebody who's not an expert, um, yeah, I wouldn't really know what to make of this because it's it's hard to
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know what the context is surrounding these, especially because they also didn't provide any sort of analysis.
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Like I think these these files are all supposed to have have been like it's concluded they're it's inconclusive what
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what we're seeing but none of the analysis is included in any of them. So we don't know what was actually um like
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spoken about or analyzed. Uh which makes it hard to kind of grasp what we're really looking at in some of these cases. And and I think this is a good
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example. if you know it appears that it's moving at a a high velocity and and making um you know erratic movements
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which don't seem to be anything that conventional aircraft could do. But again like we know so little of the
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context around it it's it's almost impossible to say.
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Right. I'd say like there's elements of this video that remind me of Corbell's release of that
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what looks like a a disc in Fleer moving through a a cloud.
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I think he did it on weaponized or something months ago.
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Um so you know this kind of shows that characteristic. It's changing directions within a cloud.
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What one might note is that a cloud usually
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um you know a cumulus cloud for example usually has no wind passing through the middle of it. Right.
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Right.
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And if an object is moving through a cloud like that, it's obviously operating independently from forces like
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wind. Um so that shows intelligent control and
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that's interesting. Um you also have a strategic advantage
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to operate within a cloud which many people of the UFO community past have said these things hide in clouds. Right.
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Right. Because they're hidden in plain sight.
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Right. And with Fleer, you negate that because you're cutting through atmospheric
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conditions and you're looking at a heat signature in infrared.
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Um, especially these types of systems like a Westcam system are the types of forwardlooking infrared
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that are on the F-18s, the Reaper drones and stuff like that. And you're going to have um reliable data.
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You're going to have uh really high quality camera system that's able to
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separate all the colors. It's black and white and it's telling you this object that's emitting heat is of interest, right?
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Pilot track that. You know what I mean?
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That's true. That's a good point. Um, there's this other video which I'll pull up. Uh, let me see.
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Give me one second here.
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And this video, the one with uh apparent uh instant acceleration.
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So, I'll pull that one up. Um, all right. So, this was filmed in 2001
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or 2021. So you can see that it's just flying, you know, at whatever speed it is. And then at a certain point in the
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video, it appears like it just dramatically shoots off at really high rate of speed and the drone loses track of it. It zooms out.
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It can't find it. What What are your thoughts on that video, guys?
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Yeah, I find that one to be, you know, much more compelling than the previous video. Again, we have all of the information blacked out here, so it's hard to make any hard conclusions, but I
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I was watching uh Richard Dolan's analysis of the second uh file dump, and uh this is one that he focused on. And
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yeah, I mean it this is much more uh impressive looking in my view. Um
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because you even when you reduce reduce the speed dramatically, you can still see that this object really took off um
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very quickly. So uh yeah, this definitely one of the more interesting videos that they released, I think.
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Right.
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Yeah, it would seem like the uh the object is gone in a few frames, right?
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which would be milliseconds and it's off in space or
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beyond the clouds. Um, so it is one of the better standout
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anomalous videos uh in the tunch and I think a lot of people have focused on it. It also has the shape of a disc.
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So, right, you know, that's that's a UFO that people have commonly reported in decades prior.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's very true. The shape of it uh does go along with uh typical UFO lore. Um there's another clip I'm
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going to pull up here. And this one, it starts tracking this little white ball.
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Let me see if I can find the part where it finds it. It's a little white orb.
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All right, there we go.
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[snorts] Um, okay. You see it there? Where my cursor is? It's a little white orb that it's tracking. And then at some point, I'll move it up along here.
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Okay. So, when you look at it, there's one part in this video where, see, it goes into that's a weird feature anywhere, that little round thing, but
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it goes into this shadow of this area and then it's just gone. And they turn on the IR sensors to try to see better,
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but that orb or whatever it was is is just gone and they can't see it. It's somewhere in that shadow presumably, but
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it goes into the shadow and then never comes back out.
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Yeah. One of the uh the other things that um I noticed about these videos that are released that's actually uh you
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know impressive is the length of some of them. Like I'm not sure how long this one is, but there's a couple that are like quite lengthy, you know, like
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17 minutes long um I've seen. And so that's that's great because, you know, initially we were getting very short
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clips and then, you know, speculation about what happens before and after, but at least we're getting to see large
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larger portions of of these things being tracked. And so this is this is very cool. Um, I'm not sure if this is the
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same video, but uh there was one where it seemed like an object went into some sort of like uh cavern or something or like disappeared into a cave or whatnot.
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Um, could have been a different video, but uh similar similar to this one.
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Yeah, they just like disappear all of a sudden. Um, yeah, pretty interesting.
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Yeah, and it's strange. And when it's one things like this one here, those ones I have a hard time like it could be a balloon or something like that, but
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what are the chances that the balloon is going to be traveling at a like a pretty constant rate in speed and then when it hits a shadow,
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it just goes away? Like if it was a balloon, its behavior would be fairly consistent. Of course, there could be changes in wind directions, etc., etc.,
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But it's just odd that as it approaches the shadow, it kind of comes to the cusp the edge of the shadow and then it seems like it backs track into the shadow and
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then it's just gone and they can't find it anymore.
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I will say my view um not to be super contrarian of that
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video, but when I looked at it, you could see that first of all it
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starts off in color, right? All of these camera systems have a color sensor, a
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fleer sensor, a zoom, uh, zoom in like two or three times and then a wide.
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So, they're pretty sophisticated in what they can do. It starts off in color and in color you can see the light that's
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shining on the landscape is coming from uh you know the the same direction
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and whatever the object was was being illuminated from the top by the same light source the sun
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right so it appears white right because if you go back and look at the video a lot of
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the hilltops and stuff appear white because it's a really sunny day. Um,
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and then on top of that, the object casts its own shadow just before it goes into the shadow. So, if you go back and
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look at it, you can look at the landscape underneath the object.
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The sun is shining on top. It's blocking the sun and you see a little dark ball going along the terrain below it. So
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that is the shadow underneath the object a [clears throat] sphere shadow right now
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common uh [snorts] thing when you've switched to fleer to forwardlooking infrared uh
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cameras to to that video setting when you're looking at a um a latex balloon Mhm.
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it will appear see-through.
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So, literally, Fleer is not going to help you at all if you're trying to view
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a latex balloon. Unless the air for some reason that you filled up this latex
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balloon with is very hot, right? then the sensor is gonna going to pick up
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something that is way hotter in the sky and it'll show like a little ball.
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But because my thinking in this video is it is probably a balloon that they're tracking
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when they switch to the fleer um version of the video. the Fleer system
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is not able to see a latex balloon because if you uh go to Dave Falch's if
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you just search Dave Falch on YouTube, he's a Fleer camera expert that actually
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repairs Westcam systems. He was in one of my documentaries and he shows what a latex balloon looks like in a Westcam
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fleer system. It just looks translucent, right? So imagine the distance when it zoomed out and then switched to fleer.
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There's no way it's going to be able to identify that balloon, right? It's just gonna melt in with the landscape.
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Um I bet if they stayed on the color version for longer until it passed through the shadow, it would have picked
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it up again because the sun um would have seen the top of the object. But because it went into a
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shadow, it was also being blanketed by the shadow, right? So, it was hidden.
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It's interesting though because if you look and I could try to let me see I could try to pull it back um at the part
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where it comes to the cusp of the edge of the shadow here. Let me see where So, it comes to the edge of the shadow. It
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goes to that weird mound and there's the shadow. It peaks out a little bit into the sunlight and then it appears like it goes back.
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So it it doesn't look like it goes forward. It looks like it goes into the sun and then backtracks into the shadow and then it's gone.
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So that's why I was saying if it's a balloon I feel like it would just keep moving as opposed to like going into the sunlight and then backing out.
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That's a good point. It just lagged at a certain point, so I didn't see the object stop and kind of like go back into the shadow. Maybe you're right.
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Maybe it is a UAP and when it realized it was being tracked, it hid right in the shadow.
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So, I don't know. There's videos like that where there's just because I get some of them are balloons, but it's just when there's a change in direction and
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sudden change in behavior to me that's kind of like, well, is that really a balloon? because balloons are going to maintain a pretty constant behavior
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pattern unless like I said there's like drastic like change in wind speed or something like that otherwise it's going to maintain its trajectory for the most
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part. Um but for it to suddenly just stop and conveniently stop in a shadow
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is just a little weird. Um so yeah, I don't know.
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100%. Yeah, I think you're right about that.
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Yeah. And Darcy, you said you had another video. Let me see if I can pull it.
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Okay, so here's the submarina, and you'll see these like little white
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[snorts]
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um objects, little spheres that are flying around a Russian submarine. So,
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apparently there's three. So, one, two,
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and um apparently they also exhibit trans medium capabilities because they were seen going in and out of the water.
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Um there you go. You see it kind of like zooming in.
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Um, and that doesn't look like a bird. Uh,
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in a fleer system, usually a bird like that's a submarine, you know, that's how it looks.
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Um, a bird will look like it's flapping its wings. It'll have an elongated
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um, shape. It won't look like a perfect white sphere, right? That was recorded, I think, in 2024.
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So, that's a pretty good one. What do you guys think?
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I was wondering if it was a bird because, you know, there are some birds that dive bomb into the ocean. Um, but
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after you explain that that's not how birds actually appear.
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Yeah. Then that's that's actually that's really interesting.
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Yeah, especially you know if that was a nuclear submarine because I know you know the the um
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you know the activity around nuclear installations has always been a thing that that's been well documented and so
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I spoke once with um Tim Galedet who was talking about exactly that how nuclear subs even you know diving deep
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underwater have been followed by UAPs there's been testimony of that too so not surprising ing to see that here.
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Uh Rob, are you able to pull up yours and screen share yours?
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Um yeah, I can try to do that. Um so pull it up if you want. Uh do you know which one it is, Darcy?
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It's uh Yeah, you it's the uh the um link you just shared here.
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Yeah, they say that is uh I got it. Uh here we go. Ready?
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They're saying that this uh looks like a humanoid shape. Yeah, that's the one.
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So, yeah, this is the one that they're saying looks like a like a humanoid shape. Um, and very close to something
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that was filmed over Sequoia National Park in 2015.
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Um, and this one, yeah, it just looks odd. This is one of those strange and more like uncanny looking ones
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that, you know, it's hard to wrap your head around. Although, I have seen some interesting debunks of it. Um, people
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saying that this is like, you know, some sort of like blow up uh, you know, balloon figure that's been partially deflated.
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The Stormtrooper.
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Yeah. People making comparisons to to that. Um, and it's I don't know. it.
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This is one of the things that frustrates me though because if somebody on the internet could come up with that then how could you know the the United
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States uh Pentagon not draw some sort of conclusion about it and and it ends up in this in this release. That's one of
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those weird inconsistencies that um it's hard to kind of make heads or tails around, but it is a interesting looking
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video for sure. It is odd because it does look humanoid. I mean, you could see what looks like an arm and maybe a
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leg attached to it. Um, I mean, obviously it'd be weird if it was like a humanoid like entity or something like floating in the sky, but I don't know.
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It's weird because like you said, you would think the DoD would have some type of
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I don't know, awareness of what this could have been. It shouldn't be in the files and being debunked by just random folks on the internet.
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Yeah.
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Um for me like it certainly seems like a balloon
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because even its movements are not like if this was a jetpack man or an alien that was
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propelling itself through the sky. He looks pretty dumb. like he's just [laughter] doing a circle with the wink, right?
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Which is what you would expect from a balloon that's caught one of its appendages and is spinning it around.
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And if you do like kind of go pause it frame by frame when it's at like this angle,
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pretty soon after,
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[clears throat]
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like this is its leg pointing down. This is one of its arms, right?
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Stormtrooper head here. You kind of see one of the legs is kicked up and is probably why it's spinning around because the wind has caught it. Right.
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Like right right around there. You kind of see.
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Yeah. So, does this speak to you as one of those potential disinformation inclusions?
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To me, it does. Yeah. I mean, it just seems like they're kind of um throwing everything they can out
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there to have everybody excited to review and to talk about because it's more important
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for for them to for us to be distracted about this [snorts] than, right, the Iran war and
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gas prices going up and groceries and everything else. Hey, look. It's a floating Stormtrooper.
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Yeah, I mean that's true. It's weird though because I don't know like I mean it probably likely could be a balloon.
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Um but I don't even really remember how often do you see balloons that are full
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figures. Like it's a weird It's a weird Yeah. I mean, I looked it up when I saw people debunking that it was a humanoid
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balloon. And I don't know where this one was recorded, but in Mexico there are so
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many there's there are party balloons galore and you
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know people throw gender reveals, they throw Christmas parties, they throw uh you name it, like coming out parties and they'll have flying dicks and numbers.
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and flying humanoids, you know, uh at the party and sooner or later one of those gets, you know, taken off by the wind
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and is skyhigh and somebody's recording it with their phone and that gets somehow added to the DAO uh UAP Trunch
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release. You know what I mean? So, if we had the metadata that came with this, maybe we could say, "All right,
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this is this alien looks kind of funny doing just a circle in the sky, but it's an alien for sure." But we don't have
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that metadata. So, to me, it just looks like a balloon, right, rotating with the wind, right?
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Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting cuz when you think about like remember when uh I can't even remember what they're called right now. Um Skywatcher, Jake Barber's
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thing and they had they were doing all these different classifications and different shapes of UAP and there was so
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many different shapes and there's like the jellyfish and all that weird thing.
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This is just like another like super bizarre bizarro shape. Like if it is a some type of
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craft like what I don't know it's just a very odd form or shape of a craft and like what function would that like a craft like that even serve?
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It's weird. I don't know. Like even when you look at all the ones that like Jake Barber like they had like the jellyfish type UAP that they saw like what like
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our if you look at our aircraft all our aircraft are designed with a certain form and function in mind right and
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they're designed like to be aerodynamic or designed to do this or designed to do that. Like what form what what uh
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function does a jellyfish craft shaped craft have? Like you would think it would have to have some type of function, but like that shape serves no
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apparent purpose, at least to us. So it's really interest. It's odd.
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Maybe maybe like a birthday kid really likes sea life and [laughter] they got the jellyfish balloon jellyfish balloons out there,
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right? Well, I mean there's a lot of sightings of of orbs, too, which people kind of classify differently from the from what they they deem to be craft.
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And so, you know, there may be different just different categories of things. Um, not sure, you know, people have
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speculated that some of them could be, you know, entities, too, as opposed to craft. Um, who knows? I mean,
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right, I don't necessarily think that's likely in in in many cases, but uh, you know, anything's possible.
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So, um I think you just have to keep an open mind and and try not to not to frame things in terms of the way uh
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human vehicles um are are classified because Yeah, it could be there could be a lot of different possibilities that
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we're not even aware of, right? Yeah, good point. All right, [snorts] guys. Before we wrap this up, I
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want to get your guys' opinion on what do you hope or what are you hoping for going forward if we continue these
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file releases? What are you hoping for and what do you think we are actually going to get? Where do you where do you see this leading?
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[snorts]
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Um, well, I mean, what I'm hoping for, what I think everybody is hoping for is just uh uh that open admission from the
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president of the United States that we're not alone and we've known about it for a long time. It would be great to get a reveal of the non-human biologics
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that have been talked about by by Dave Gush. Um, you know, if they are indeed keeping those bodies, it'd be great to
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actually see them. um you know, get get some solid information about how what they are, what we know about them, how they were recovered. Um you know, all
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all of that information that people have been speculating about for so long, but we've never really heard any anything about it from official sources. So like
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that would be I think like the holy grail right there. But do I think that's going to happen? No. Um I think we'll
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probably get um a lot more releases like the ones that we've been seeing.
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interesting stuff, but probably a lot of stuff that can be debunked and kind of continues to muddy the waters a little
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bit. I do find it interesting how in, you know, Hollywood, we're getting films like Disclosure Day coming out this
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year, Steven Spielberg, uh, huge film. I think, you know, my theory is that there
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is a probably a very long-term plan to desensitize people to this. And
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so, um, I wouldn't expect anything dramatic to be released this year, but I do think that probably over the next few
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years, maybe the next, uh, 5 to 10, that we'll start to get, um, just some enough desensitization that people start to
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kind of like generally accept without getting that big shocking omission, you know, from the president. I I don't know if they really want to go down that
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road. Uh, it might just be kind of like that slowburn thing where eventually everybody will kind of agree without
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having to have like a major event to to kind of convince everyone. Right.
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Right. Yeah, good point, Darcy.
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I think um [clears throat] I agree with the what Rob said that those would be great things to happen, but on top of
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that, if if the president announces we're not alone, we've known for a while, you know, certain institutions
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were part of the cover up. Um afterwards I would hope that they
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finally allow whistleblowers to be properly protected because this is something that's highly contested and
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discussed within the community. um you know people like Dylan Borland and all these other whistleblowers who have come
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forward want to say more but they're you know uh under threat of reprisal
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death you know harassment you name it right from the powers that be that say you're
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not allowed to talk if there was a proper whistleblower uh
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law passed after a a disclosure happens, then these people can talk to what they
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know, speak to what they know. Um and maybe they do it in a secure setting, but um
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they don't have to worry about getting, you know, killed, right? Yeah. I mean, great point. And I think that's kind of really what needs
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to happen. And I think a lot of these folks need to be [gasps] excused of their NDAs so they can say what they need to say um without having
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to worry about being being, you know, murdered or suicided. Um it's unfortunate, but yeah, that's
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that's unfortunately uh the way that they're treated. And yeah, I think if we can, we'd be be in a lot better place, we'd be in a lot different place, I
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think, right now if these folks weren't being threatened constantly whenever they need to uh when they have stuff to say about the subject.
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But anyway, we'll wrap this up, guys.
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Thank you so much uh for coming on the show and talking about this with me. Um, you know, we'll definitely keep eyes out for more file releases. Um, and you
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know, maybe down the line we can we can link up again and talk about anything other big news related to the subject.
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But guys, thank you. Rob, Darcy, thank you so much for joining me. Awesome. Thanks, Scott. Glad to be here.