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And then it reappears like 3 ft in front of me like right right there. And it's a beautiful softball
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sized board. This this thing white was on the base of my bed. It felt it felt like there was like a 300lb guy sitting on the edge of my bed and pulled on my
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bed clothes really tight. And I looked down there and there it was and I just screamed.
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They just all looked at me and they said, "Jason, you don't understand. It's either you do what they say or you're never going to see your wife and kids again.
Chapter 2: Military background
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Hey everybody, welcome to the first reissue of the UAP sessions. Today I'm joined by a very special guest, UFO
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whistleblower Jason Sans. Before speaking publicly about his extraordinary experiences, Jason Sans
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[music] spent over 20 years in the United States Air Force. Jason retired as a master sergeant after a career in
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signal intelligence, cyber operations, and operational security. While the most
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critical part of Jason's story occurred [music] at Nellis Air Force Base between 1990 and 1996,
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Jason has had lifelong experiences with the phenomena. Jason has had experiences
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[music]
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with UAP and NHI as a child. This is interesting because Jason's [music] father was also in the military. And we
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see time and time again that families with military [music] lineage often have
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ongoing interactions with the UFO [music] phenomenon. And Jason was kind enough to share these documents with me
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that show he is who he is and he did have access to special access programs.
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[music] He also shared screenshots of his emails that prove he had interviews with both Arrow and the ICIG. [music]
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Long after his exit from the UFO legacy program, Jason Sans [music] continues to have experiences with the phenomenon
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today. Much in the same fashion as we've heard [music] from Louzando and other folks involved in government UFO programs, Jason Sans [music] has
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recently been having experiences with orbs in and around his home. He even claims [music] to have had telepathic
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communication with one of them. So, join me as [music] we dive into Jason's experiences with the UFO phenomenon
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before, during, and after his time in the [music] legacy UFO program.
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Welcome to another episode of the UAP Sessions. I am your host, Scott Murtha, and today I am here with whistleblower
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Jason Sans. Jason, thank you so much for coming on the show today. Yes, thanks for asking me. I'm honored. Thank you.
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Yeah, of course, man. Um, you know, I really appreciate, you know, you being brave enough to come forward and being a whistleblower. I know that in itself is
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is tough. And I know you didn't ask to be public originally. That was kind of a hiccup, but you ended up being public. Yeah.
Chapter 3: Entering the program
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Um, so again, I truly appreciate you doing uh what you've been doing, man.
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It's it's awesome. And thank you for your service to our country.
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Yep. No problem. It was my honor to do that.
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Um, so before we get started or I just want to kind of do you mind just giving us a quick I know you've talked about it on a million other shows, but um, can
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you just give us a quick overview of, you know, your your path to enter the UFO uh, legacy program?
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Yes. Um, joined the Air Force 1985.
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Uh, served my first tour duty in Little Rock as an airframe guy. Had cross train out into Intel. Um that's where I got my
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clearance um and everything else. Um actually went to Germany to Simbach Germany for a couple years and then came
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back to Nellis Air Force Base which is where I was entered into the program. um just kind of within the first few months
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they they kind of picked me out of everybody that was there um and said, you know, we'd like to, you know, invite
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you to come, but you're going to have to go pass a a pretty in-depth, you know, background investigation and, you know, and then we're going to start slowly
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introducing you to all the different aspects of the program. And um so anyway, the way that that happened was I ended up bumping uh well not bumping
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into him, but uh we I drove up range for just a normal red flag exercise training the air crews and we just started
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talking about uh you know dreamland and UFOs and stuff like that. And I didn't know it at the time, but he was right in
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already. And uh actually maybe that was what sparked it uh the uh the whole conversation and getting me in there.
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But um all all the other team members had to have a say in that as well. So anyway um there was a road trip up there
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to ne the Nellis test range that we had this conversation and then uh it was not too long after that they were asking me
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to be part of it. I went in there for about two two and a half maybe close to three years I was in the program. um got
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went around all the different continental US United States um locations where they operate out of. Um
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I was what they called a red team member. In other words, I went in there to check for security vulnerabilities and then report to back to the uh the
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installation commanders and so on so forth. Um, we also deployed with uh OSI agents who did the physical security
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sides and like trying to sneak in the doors and, you know, get get into the gates with fake IDs and things like this. Um, and we worked with each other.
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You know, if I found a password that somebody divulged, I would uh hand it off to them. They'd use it if they got inside a facility and try to get into
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the networks so that we could, you know, debrief that, this is how we this is how your enemies are going to do it. um were the good guys, thank goodness, but
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here's how we did it. Um and it was usually it was always a two-w weekek um sort of a mission that we ran. So, we
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ran into a lot of stuff. Uh and as I got into that um yeah, we started listening to some really strange conversations
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from the scientists, the engineers, all that kind of good stuff. And um I kind of feel like I was blessed with
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understanding a bit more than even some of the scientists and engineers because it's so such a stove piped um miss mish
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mash of different things that are going on and you could literally be walking down the hallway and not know what the other guys are doing. Um but for me
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because of my mission type I got to listen to it all. I got to get the big picture and debrief it to the the
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different site leads. So, um, had kind of a unique insight into some of the cor corporate knowledge that was going around because I didn't have to deal with the stove pipes.
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That's awesome.
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Yeah. And that was just because of my mission type, right? But anyways, that's how I got into it.
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Uh, then once I got out, that's when I had my experience uh on the Nells test range with a UAP occupant or an NHI,
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whatever you want to call that. That was part of the James Fox film um the program. And um that was my story. He he
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featured that story in that film and um it's still kind of going on today um down here in Alabama now. I've had some
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experiences as well. So lots of different things have happened all throughout my life, but that's how I got into that program.
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Okay, that's awesome. And I do definitely want to get into the experiences that you are having now. But before we get to that point, um I want to ask, so when you were brought into
Chapter 4: Program reality check
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the program, is it just kind of like, hey, like they tell you that you're in
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the program and that you're working on like, you know, the program is about reverse engineering craft or crash retrievals. So they're just kind of like, hey, by the way, aliens are real.
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We're collecting their craft that crash.
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Is is that kind of what it's like? Like that must come as a shock to people that are read. Well, when we got off the
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airplane at Dreamland, uh, we were all ushered in. All the scientists and everybody that was new to the team and
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the legacy program were ushered into the auditorium, I guess is what you call it.
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They had a big screen up front and they just show a generic video and it does describe a reverse engineering program, but they don't mention anything to do
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with NHI because there's some people that will never touch that. Um you got to understand the legacy program is reverse engineering stuff that we know
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about that are from you know adversaries like the Chinese and the Russians. Um and they are also retrieving craft that
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are from unknown types and that's what I call the exotic tech. Um that and there was a big distinction between the two
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once I really got acclimated into the program. I could definitely see there was a big difference between kind of what I call the vanilla reverse
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engineering and then there was this other stuff that was very like frustrating for them because they're like we have no idea what this is. We
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don't know what how it works. Whereas the other vanilla stuff they're like well we we can translate that Russian into this and this is what it means.
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That's an avionics package and it does this. Um so totally two different worlds. Uh, and like I said, everybody
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that got briefed in got to got briefed in on the vanilla stuff, but the guys that ended up like me getting exposed to other stuff that just kind of happens
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when you get to your shop. Let me put it Okay. Okay. And I know when you were in the desert there and on base, you did
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have an interaction with a NHI who looked human, just kind of had like very pale blue hypothermic appearance uh to
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his skin and big eyes and no ears. Um, and you've told that story a bunch of times. I don't want to make you have to
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tell that again, but before that point, even back into your childhood, you've had experiences with an hi, correct?
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Correct. Yeah. Even as young as about uh 5 years old. Yeah. I've had Nordic experience that also my mother saw them.
Chapter 5: Childhood experiences
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Um, I was, uh, hit in the head by this pedophile who
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was going to do me some nasties. Um, and these two gentlemen,
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um, they're short, you know, cuz I I'm I'm a I was a kid and I thought that they're pretty short compared to even my mom who's only 5 foot something or
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other. And um, anyways, they uh, they dropped me off at my house and I still couldn't see after getting hit. I was
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blind and one of them touched me on my my temple and uh I could see I started to see you know everything again came in
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blurry and I could see who they were and they had platinum you know blonde hair both had blue eyes uh both about the
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same height they weren't identical twins but they they could have got passed as nonidentical twins because they were very much alike had gray
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uh gray gray jumpers on with a blue sash around our waist kind of a thing. And for some reason, he just touched the
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door, which is usually locked, and he popped it open. And I went inside and I told him, "Thank you." And he just said,
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"Okay." Um, and when I turned around after I got into the threshold, they were gone.
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Um, but I had a splitting headache from getting hit in the head from this pedophile. And I laid on the couch. Um my mom came back late uh later in the
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day cuz she and both my nana and her both worked late at their jobs. Um it's just the way it is back then. This was
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in the 60s um late60s and um anyway uh that was the first
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experience. But um my mom asked me what happened and I just told her I did get hit in the head and there's a nasty man out in the corner um that did it to me.
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Uh so she just let me sleep. She didn't know what to think about it. But then the the two gentlemen that had helped me or the Nordics that helped me came back
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the next day to check on me and she uh was trying to invite them in for tea.
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They kept refusing. They just wanted to know how I was. And she, you know, told him that yeah, he still he has a headache and a nasty bump on his head.
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But um like she went, you know, my mom's pretty obstinate about having tea with people that do her a favor. So, she went
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into the kitchen even though they refused and she was just going to bring out the tea.
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Um, and she popped back out and they were gone just like they were with me.
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Um, so I knew it was them because I, you know, there's a window right out by the next to the front door and I could see
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out of that. Um, and I could it was I was like, "Yeah, those are the same two guys um that helped me yesterday." And
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my mom just thought, "Oh, well, I should, you know, I wish they would have come in for some tea. I would have liked to have known, you know, who they were and thanked them more properly and
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everything, but they just left. You know, it seemed like that was all their mission." So, that was the first experience that
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uh um with the Nordics. I I do have one that was actually even younger. I was younger than or excuse me, it happened
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about a year or so after that. Um I had a I don't know what to call it. It was
Chapter 6: The winged creature
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like a very strange winged being. It was only about two foot tall that entered my bedroom when I was a a kid and um scared
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the hell out of me. I was just going to sleep and you know we didn't have eight air conditioning units back there in the Fort Deans. Um but that's where my dad
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was stationed and that's another base that I found out you know over the years that my dad was involved in some things as well. Um but Fort Deans is a strange
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place for some occurrences. But anyway, um this this thing was on the base of my bed. It felt, you know, it felt like
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there was like a 300 pound guy sitting on the edge of my bed and it pulled on my bed clothes really tight. And I looked down there and there it was and I just screamed. I thought it was
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like a huge butterfly or something because I'd never seen anything like it.
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And my parents came in um after, you know, me begging them to come in and and by the time we rounded the corner, it
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was flying out the window. Um didn't flap its wings or anything. just seemed to kind of hover out of the room and off it went into the distance and they they
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saw a glimpse of it also. So that was the second one I've seen. So that one I I I kind of I don't know if it's right
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or wrong, but I call it a cherubim. It's the closest thing I've ever heard of that you know it's small like that with wings and it did kind of look like a baby.
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Interesting. So you said it was like really short, but the weight it put on your bed was like 300 lb. Like Yeah, it was like massive. It was very Yeah, it's like very dense.
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And it didn't flap wings, so who knows?
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Maybe it was just, you know, made a humanoid shape, but it could have been a drone or something like that. I I don't know, honestly. And it did have a strange bluish glow u to it.
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Wow. Um, so it was very uh very strange creature and I never knew what it was there for. I never got any telepathic uh
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s you know u thoughts from it or you know communications at all. Um so anyway
Chapter 7: Nordic assistance
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then fast forward to when I was about 10 years old in California San Jose and the
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Nordics show up again. Um, we had been through a horrible time because uh, my
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mom and dad were having a a separation and they were very angry and my dad pretty much just dumped us off in the
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closest h or the most affordable house that he could afford for us without any furniture, without any food just to fend for ourselves. Um, we had a very
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difficult time and this is when the Nordics showed up again. Um, my mother was the one who actually saw them first.
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Uh, she said that she had a really strange conversation with them and they had the same gray suits on with the sash, but they were also wearing these
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purplish like rain jackets is what she called them. Um, but she said they looked exactly like the same two individuals that came to the door that
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day when she tried to get them in for tea.
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Um, but the conversation was very strange. She said they because they asked a lot about kind of, you know, do you believe in God kind of a
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conversation, you know, and and um how are you doing and all these kinds of things and um just wanting to know how
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how the family was doing. And uh pretty soon after that, even though you know we had just got there and had no idea how to get what we were going to do for food
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or furniture, but uh every week there was, you know, one or two bags of groceries there for us. And we asked around the whole neighborhood and all
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our family and cousins that lived around, not none of them said that they did it. Um so it may have been the Nordics actually doing that for us. So,
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I don't know. But anyway, the Nordics actually showed up on my school bus a few times and um they would sit straight
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across from me on the school bus cuz they were small enough to look like they were, you know, going to the middle school. Um and they were wearing normal clothes that, you know, on the school
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bus, so they kind of fit in, but I always would look at them and think they look a lot older than kids, you know. I mean, they wouldn't say anything. They
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wouldn't talk to anybody. Um and then uh just they just left, you know, they just
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kind of came and went from the school bus for a couple of weeks. It was like they were just there for a short period and they were not there anymore.
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Um so my and my sister knows that they were there. She uh she knew their first names. Kirk and Dean is what they went
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by and uh so she knew who they were too and some of the neighborhood kids had seen them around. So and they knew them as Kirk [clears throat] and Dean also.
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So I have no idea. But the these were the same individuals that looked just like the ones that I remembered and my mother remembered. Um, so they were very
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friendly, uh, very helpful, always there when I needed them or when my family needed them. Um,
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so I'd say that, you know, and I call them Nordics for lack of any other better way of talking about they could have been some other type, you know, some people tell me, "Oh, you're wrong.
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They're plleadenss." I'm like, "I don't care. I never asked. [laughter] All I know is they helped me." Um, right. you know, that kind of thing. So,
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that that happened uh throughout my childhood. Um those kinds of things. And I also saw craft in the sky as well when
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I was in San Jose. That was the first UFO I ever saw. Um that was a really strange experience. My mother was there
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again to see that uh event. So, uh, that we actually got to re, um, what do you
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call that when you, I guess, restate the event while I was doing UFO Con, uh, and in front of an audience. And I was there
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in San Jose and my my mom was there, my sisters were there, and they were all just nodding, yes, this is exactly what happened. Exactly. You know, what I remember.
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So, the audience, it it was good. It was good. the audience got that confirmation that it wasn't just me, you know, it's it came from other people, right? Wow, that's really interesting.
Chapter 8: Missing time event
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And when you were back uh I'm sorry, what was the name of the town where you saw the winged bean? That was Fort Devon's base housing.
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Fort De Okay.
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I was on base housing and you were saying like a lot of like weird stuff kind of happens there.
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Yeah. That was where my dad started getting these vegetables that were genetically altered like tomatoes. He fell in love with them for some reason and he had to have them like for every
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meal. But there was that kind of stuff that happened. Um I also have a missing time uh event that occurred on Fort
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Deans that I can't explain. And uh if you want me to tell you about that, I could tell you that, but I really don't know what the heck that was.
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Yeah, I'd be curious to hear it. Go for it. Well, um usually I get up early um on on the weekends earlier than most of
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my family and it was a beautiful sunny morning. I remember that. And I just wanted to go out and do croading, you know, in the in the creek across the street because we had lived on a hill.
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It went down and the the creek would followed the gentle slope on down. So, I just was out looking for bugs, looking for shiny rocks, anything, you know,
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just stuff little boys are into. And um then at the bottom of the hill it takes a sharp right and about 15 feet from or
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not 15 maybe maybe like uh 10 yards from that corner there's a metal fence you know that you can't get through. It's a
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restricted area and then you have to you know again turn left to get away from that. But as I was croadding and I took that turn and I started croadding more
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down the stream I was like where's the fence? I'm like, where? I should have bumped into the fence by now. And I
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stood up and I turned around and I realized I was nowhere. I couldn't see any buildings anymore. There was no barracks. I wasn't on the base anymore.
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All I saw was a long uh uh grassy kind of uh meadow with trees all around it.
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And the creek that I'd been following was at my feet. And I was I got deathly scared. I'm like, "Holy crap, I'm lost.
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There's no fence here. There's no base here. there's no I don't recognize any of this. And I started to really panic.
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And then um this large blondhaired woman, very beautiful, she had a a white
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sort of dress that went down to her feet and blue uh sash around her her waist and uh long gold, very beautiful woman.
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And uh but she was extremely tall. I mean, I'm little and I was really straining my neck to see her head, but she kind of bent over for me and she
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just said, "Jason, are you scared?" And I said, "Yeah, I can't find my way home." And she's like, "I don't know. I I don't know where I'm at." And she's
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like, "You know, don't be scared." She said, "Just follow the creek back and listen for the bell and you'll you'll be home before you know it."
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And then I I started doing that and I looked down looked at the creek and started going back down the creek for a little while and I turned to look to see
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where she was and she was gone and I just kept going and I focused on the creek um just as I was told because I was definitely scared I wasn't going to make it back home.
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Right. Um, and uh, I just kept doing it and sure enough, as I kept following the creek, there's this very like kind of a
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bell sound or a ringing sound in the distance. Um, and it started to get louder as I went. Um, and then
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eventually it was kind of like a I don't know if you have you ever seen like the Mirage when the the your the street is like really hot.
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Yeah. Yeah. It looks like there's a p Street. Yeah.
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And then all of a sudden I I I saw that the base was starting to reappear. Um within a few seconds it it it totally
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flickered back in and I turned around and there was the fence where it should be and I just ran home. Uh when I got
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home the front door was wide open. Uh nobody was home because they'd been out looking for me for hours. For me the
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whole event only took maybe 20 minutes tops. You know what it felt like. Um, wow.
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And um, but they said I had disappeared for the entire morning. They had the police out. They had my dad called in from work.
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Um, oh my gosh.
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They were canvasing the whole thing. But I went, what the funny part of it was I went back in and um, they found me in
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the laundry because No. Well, what it was was just when I was a little guy, I had this special little blanket that my mom gave
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me and it had this little silky edge and and every time she'd pull it out of the laundry, it it was nice and warm, you know, and all folded up.
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So, I went to the top of the stairs where she had put the laundry basket down and I pulled out my blanket and just laid down, went to sleep while I was waiting for everybody to come home. And sure enough, they all came home.
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They started racking the whole racket.
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Oh, there you are. Thank God you. We found you. What happened to you? I just I just went crawing and I got lost and I came back and it's like I was only gone
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a little while. Why are you guys so freaked out? You know, oh my gosh.
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Yeah. But my mom remembers that and she's like, everybody remembers that and they're just like, no, you were gone for like 4 to 6 hours.
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And I was like, that's insane.
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Because I knew I was out there early in the morning, right? It's probably like 6:30 or 7. I'd gotten out there and here they were.
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It was like after lunchtime sometime.
Chapter 9: Military lineage
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So I don't have have that missing time there. So, wherever I was, time went much faster or whatever. Um,
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that's really interesting. It's It's strange because Are you familiar with the missing 411 phenomenon?
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I think I've heard of it. Yes.
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So, missing 401 typically, uh, there's a guy, David Politis, researcher, who does a lot of work of missing 401, and it's
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those cases don't end well. Those cases are mostly like someone just randomly goes missing in like a national park or something like that and like they send
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out like search dogs and like there's no trace and then like they'll be searching for hours and hours and hours and then
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like they find the body of the person who's missing and like it's just weird scenarios like their clothes are next to
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them neatly folded and it's like a place that they already searched like a hundred times. Um, and like people just go missing or sometimes the body's never
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found. The person's just gone without a trace.
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And I've always wondered if it's something similar to what happened to you, except you came back. Thank God.
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But like, yeah, you just kind of wandered into like another dimension or something like that, like accidentally, and like this lady guided you back. Like, I don't know. That just made me think of that.
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But that's really interesting.
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I can believe that. Um, I think I've heard of some other people that say they kind of did the same thing, but they actually did come back like I did. But
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yeah, I've heard about the ones where people actually died or never came back. Yeah.
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Well, and I and that's exactly what I could have fell into um had had this person not showed up and helped me or she knew your name, which is crazy.
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Well, that's may have been telepathic or there's something else about her that I don't realize. Maybe she's, you know, able to do that naturally. I don't know
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that we just don't know what extra dimensional beings would be able to do or some of these other NHI are able to do.
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Um so yeah, it's very very much a mystery to me as well. I can't explain it. All I know is I experienced it and
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my family stated that I was gone for hours when it when for me it it didn't even go past a half hour.
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I was gone for much much longer in their in their time frame. So, uh, I'm very I feel very lucky that Yeah. I did not disappear that day.
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Yeah.
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Um, and, uh, who knows? I've always heard as well for, you know, because we talked a little bit about some of my other experience experiences, too. But,
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um, I've always heard from other people saying that, you know, they they don't do anything
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randomly. It's done on purpose. they're they're always there at the nick of time when you need them or they're they're always doing something that has meaning
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later on in life. You know, you know what it's all about.
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And maybe that's what it's about is that this stuff just follows me around because of some reason. Um and you know, now now it's finally coming full full circle before I die.
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Right. I mean, it's interesting, too, because I mean, your your dad was in the military, correct?
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Yeah. And he actually did some weird stuff, too. Yeah. We talked [clears throat] about it before he passed away. Oh, wow.
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Yeah, he passed away in 2017, but Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
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No. And my sister has strange things that she remembers from him, too. Uh, in Fort Deans, there was a mountain. Well,
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near near Fort Devons, where my dad worked, there was a mountain that was had an entrance very much like Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado, but this was in
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Massachusetts. Um, and uh, my dad actually took her up there and he he really wanted her to see it. Um, and
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said, "This is where I worked and I can't take you in, but this is where dad worked, you know, for a number of years." And that's where I think they
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were doing all the genetic testings and things like that. And if I had my suspicions, this is just my suspicion
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that if any of the military services are doing genetics, it's the army.
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um that kind of has the lead on that part of the mission.
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Uh because in the Air Force I did not see a lot the Air Force has a lot on the technical side, right?
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And the Navy definitely has like all the stuff that's underwater um in some aerial phenomenon as well that kind of touches with the Air Force, but the Army
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I think would be the ones that would be handling like the uh the genetics and the all the other stuff.
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Right. Interesting. It's strange too because I know there tends to be when you look back at a lot of cases like uh
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where people are having experiences a lot of times it follows military families like if you look back there's a
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lot of military families who's like like I mean you've been having these experiences since you were a kid right so it seems like this has been following
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you for your entire life and looks like it maybe probably continues to follow you Um,
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do you know if your parents had any experiences like prior to you, like their own experiences?
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Um, I think my mom said she did have some experiences. My dad did say he he saw some aerial phenomenon that he couldn't
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explain. So, yes. Um, but we didn't get too much in depth. I think uh being from their generation, they're
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just less talkative about it, right? Um, even though I started to, you know, talk to my dad in I wasn't a
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whistleblower when my dad passed that happened, you know, in 2022 and my dad died in 2017.
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So I he didn't know my full story even, but we did talk about some of the strange stuff that I did and I did he did know that I worked in Dreamland.
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He knew that and he just kind of oh he's like yeah he says I know about that stuff. He because he was a Green Beret special forces guy and he used to do
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some stuff that he'd disappear for, you know, weeks, sometimes months, you know, and then he'd come back and he
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would not want to talk about it, Yeah. I sure there's a lot of difficult things that
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that he had to do and a lot of folks in the military in the to do which is unfortunate. Um,
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so yeah, that that's tough. Um, weird segue into that. We're talking about tough things. Um, after you
Chapter 10: Forced into dirty work
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exited, well, when you're trying to exit the or I guess you you had a you had a faux paw which had you kind of forced
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exit from the program and they had you doing some dirty work. Yeah. Correct. On the way out.
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Um, so I just have a couple questions uh regarding that. Now, I know it's not something that you're super fond of talking about, so I don't want to harp
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on it too much, but um when you were having to do these tasks, first of all, how many tasks like this did you have to do? Like, do you do you know?
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Um I remember one more than more than any other. Uh there are some others. I think maybe just three other uh missions that
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I might have done with them. Uh I remember spots of my memory come back
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on my training um right and things like that that I had to go through um with other people.
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So they gave you special training for these like missions.
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Yeah. After they forced me into the program. Yes. Right.
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Um and it all has to it all revolves around retrievals. Right. Okay.
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First [clears throat] thing they made me do is they tried to get me to kill an NHI that was in a prison cell on the Nellis test range and um
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Jeez, I refused to do it. The security guy who was in there forcing me to try to shoot
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this being uh ended up killing the being. And I got so pissed off I broke
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his arm. I pinned him up against the wall and I was literally gonna twist his head off because I was I was so pissed
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off that he did that. Um but uh he ran away after I let him go because he squeaked out while I was choking him to
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death that he had a wife and kids to go back home to. Right.
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And I released him and uh he just ran out and you know probably got the hell out of dodge. Uh
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the only people that were there were my other three teammates who had brought me there. they kind of tricked me to come in. Um, and I started to, you know,
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leave after I tended to the NHI as he was dying. I did have a telepathic uh connection with him as he passed away
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and he touched me again on my on my head on my temple and that was before he passed and then as he
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passed I could feel you know I could there was like a tunnel and darkness then after that and then I kind of came through on the other side of that and
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came to myself and I started to walk out and I got I was really pissed off at my friends for setting me up and I just
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told them you know f you guys I'm not doing on this crap. Um, and they just all looked at me and they said, "Jason,
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you don't understand. It's either you do what they say or you're never going to see your wife and kids again because we
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negotiated this dirty work deal as your death sentence because they were going to put a bullet in your head and just bury you
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in the desert." And I was like, "You got to be kidding. All this just because I invited my kids to a mission." They were like, "Yep." Wow.
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And I was like, "You've got to be kidding me. And and that's when I really got disgusted. Um so anyway, uh that's when it happened. They'd snatch me out
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of my bed and I'd have to do whatever it was and that was where you'd you know I guess other people say that sim similar things happen where you wake up and you have paralysis.
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But you see but you see people around your bed um and that kind of thing and sometimes they were human sometime or looked human uh they could have been
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human and other times definitely grays were there. Um, so I believe that that retrieval program, that's where it
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touches a different world other than our own military industrial base. I think the NHI do run portions of this because
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um they have to control these retrieval events and I don't think they they particularly like us going out there and
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you know u imprisoning citizens from other planets and sometimes uh they have
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their own problems you know just like we do in our society they've got some rogue elements in their own societies that
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have to be taken care of And some of that does touch here on earth. Um there sometimes they're here for for really
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reprobate reasons just like the biblical accounts are. And the Anunnaki, you know, enslaving us, there's a lot of ancient texts that describe a lot of
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intervention on their part with the human race. And it's not all nice, right? Yeah. Yeah. I can imagine just like humanity, there's going to be good
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and bad. Um the the NHI that they wanted you to shoot in the prison cell. What
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what that what did that look like? What did that NHI look like? He was a gray. He was another gray. A gray.
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Yeah. Kind of had he had had more of a olive skin tone. I think not not gray, but one of there's so many
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different types of grays. I think I'm even confused. I don't even have I I'm not one of those people that could sit there and and give you, you know, oh,
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this is this species and that's that species. I know of some of the terms that were used by the legacy program folks like I agree with Eric Davis that
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there's the reptilians, there's the uh tall whites, there's the grays, and there's the Nordics. That those are the four that I remember being part of my
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mission and the intelligence we gathered on the mission um and debrief. So, I could tell you that kind of stuff. But
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this guy was olive colored. Um, but he did look very similar to grays, the typical grays, right?
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So, um, and he was very small. It was like when he was dying, I had I still had handcuffs on and I had to cradle his head,
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but uh, yeah, it sometimes it brings back tears if I think about it too much because I feel so bad for him.
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Yeah. Well, I mean, that's a hard thing to watch. Yeah. And but anyway, he was like a child. It was like holding a
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child to me. Honestly, he was that small. And I telepathically, even when I was in the
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hallway, I could hear in my head how terrified he was and how angry he was and how much he wanted them, the people
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that had captured him to just die, you know, that they had done him wrong kind of thing, right?
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And all those really strong emotions were all over the place. as soon as I got within a certain uh radius from him and uh he was just flat out terrified.
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Yeah, that's hor that's a horrible uh situation.
Chapter 11: Cavern incident
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Um so you know you were mentioning so when you do the dirty work and you said there was like a whole like it seemed
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like uh you said there was NHI that were overseeing it um potentially. So these are different like factions basically
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like this one species and they're like overseeing you or not you personally but
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you're they're overseeing the program retrieve craft from another civilization basically. That's the cross. Yeah.
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It's not all human. I think the NHI do have a say in the program.
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They do have a say. I mean, for example, even the laboratory environments were controlled by the tall whites and the grays. And like you say, there are
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different races that have different um places in the program, right?
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Like the tall whites uh in some lab environments would bring in a briefcase that would tune tune in like nanotechnologies that
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were used in the test environments and then the grays would come in to clean up. So, they're more like the worker bees. Um, but at no time were humans
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allowed in labs with them. That was the other thing that was a stipulation. So was was not this like free-for-all.
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We're all kumbaya in the lab together.
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This was very much like I don't want to see you. I'm not even working on the weapon system. I'll help you fine-tune your your testing environment, but that's it. I will that was kind of how
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it was. They they had certain limitations that they were willing to help with, but for the most part, they would not work on the weapon system
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itself. They refused to do that. They would only help to make a pristine test environment for the laboratory um that
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they were in. So very controlled environment by the NHI.
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Interesting. Okay. Um, and I sorry, I do have one more question about the the dirty work scenario, and I won't ask you any more about it because I know it's
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not your favorite topic, but um, when you did these missions, were did they were they like you'd be sent into like a
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cave or some type of area, were these beings just like did they fight back or was it just kind of like they were like defenseless like and like go and like take them out type of scenario?
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No, they knew they knew why we were there. They knew it was time to die or you know kill or be killed. It was they
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knew what they had done. Uh and like you're talking the cavern exper experience that I had. Um that was definitely they were abducting people.
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There were children, men, women, all of them in a cave nearby. Uh as we were fighting them and killing them, my team,
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one of them ma made it in there and started murdering people.
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Um and uh we put him down as well. Uh but he had already done some damage there and uh
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he started murdering the people who were kidnapped.
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Yeah. He he he ran into the cavern. And honestly, that I have never felt
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evil that way before because this is, you know, I've had had a few telepathic
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experiences where you can feel uh a lot of times they're loving or it's just like a a normal day out kind of a
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feeling. But the these creatures in the cavern that in this particular instance that I'm talking about were pure evil feeling.
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Um it was like there there was nothing but murderous blood lust in their minds.
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Um and they hated us with a passion. I I believe from one of them I actually got an inkling that they believe that this whole solar system they own it and it's theirs.
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That's what they think.
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Do you think that they are do you think they feel that way because they you know some people suspect that
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maybe these uh beings might have been here before we were on Earth. They might have been.
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Yes, that was the distinct feeling I had was that they had been there longer and they felt like they owned everything. Interesting.
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Um, and per perhaps, you know, maybe they've got some truth to that that maybe they helped with parts of the
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different diversity of life on on Earth and uh, who knows, maybe some other planets or something, but they they definitely felt like they had been here
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a long time. Um, wow.
Chapter 12: Combat and memories
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So, you know, that being said, you know, maybe we're the new kids on the block if you want to believe like the Anunnaki story that we were just like kind of
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like apes at one point and they manipulated us into these uh worker worker class uh just to go dig out the mines and the
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copper and stuff that they wanted in the gold.
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Um, so yeah, maybe they were part of all that that time frame was when we were just fodder for them, just slaves, you know.
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Right. Interesting. And what what were what did these beings look like? Were these also grays or were these something else?
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No, these were like huge giant like 15 foot tall. But when I engaged with them, I felt like I could throw them around
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like a like a puppy dog or Oh, really? Wow.
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It was It was very lightweight. I don't know whether that's because we were in a a different gravity situation or whatever, but
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um yeah, they were they were like 15 20 feet tall.
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Wow. And what did they use? Like I'm sure you guys had like guns and stuff like that. What did what did they fight with? What did they have?
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They they had these uh spear type devices um very sharp and they just pinned one of my teammates to the wall, killed her.
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Um tried to take me out. I it grazed my left rib cage. I still kind of have a area there. It's always been sore
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and I can't explain it but it it just you know I don't have any scar there but anyway um it was a glancing bow because I was able to turn
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and I I kind of caught the spear tip or spear underneath my armpit and that's when I realized I was like crap I can
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control this guy. I I don't know how you know uh how I can do that but I I appreciated the fact that I could you know kick him out
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you know. Um, so, uh, yeah, I I definitely did him in. Um,
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I actually dropped my gun and I sunk my hand into the base of his skull and just killed him.
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That was That's how I took him out.
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Wow. So, but when I put my hand through, I realized I was wearing some kind of an exoske exo skeleton or something or at
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least some kind of body armor that was kind of glossy looking. Um, but that's how I took him out. Um, but I did use
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the gun and it had very devastating effect. It had kinetic u weapons, very small entry wound, but on the backside
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it just blows out huge holes. Um, wow. So yeah, we were we were pretty well equipped for the whole thing. But I
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honestly I didn't even have to think. It was like something had already told me this is exactly what you're going to do.
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You're going to go in the cave. It didn't tell me how to fight. That was on me, but it told me where I was going, what to do next,
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and so on so forth. So it was like I knew everything automatically. I knew how to operate the gun. I knew how to, you know, do all
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these other things. um knew where to to move and that you know going left right or whatever that's what I had to do um
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but that was given to me probably telepathically or something from the NHI now where I guess yeah that's why I think there's an NHI
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component to this because I do remember being kind of maybe manipulated to to do go forward
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right turn left or whatever um but it could have been just something even mechanical that has that ability as
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well, right? Yeah.
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Interesting. Okay. Um, the beings too that you were that you had to eliminate in the in the cavern in the cave, you
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said they were like super tall. Um, what did their facial features look like? Were they They reminded me of of some of the
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Egyptian murals. Honestly, that's what they reminded me of.
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Oh, okay. They had bent noses and uh they wore sashes around their waist like
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the Egyptians do. Um and stuff like that. Uh but they they had that kind of appearance to me.
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Interesting.
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And there's been other people that have seen them as well. Um, there's another case in from Great Britain where there
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was a man out in his backyard and he looked over because he heard something and he saw exactly the same being I did.
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And he describes it in the exact same way and it was a very tall, 15 foot tall or taller and it was walking along his
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fence line and then it began running until it disappeared and um, so it was the same being though.
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Wow. It it sounded like exactly the same description that I just gave.
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Are you able to say where this was? Do you even know where you were?
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I really don't know exactly where it was. All I know it was very cold outside the cave and then when I got in the cave it was a lot warmer. Huh.
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That was all I could tell you.
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Okay. All right. Um All right. I promise I won't ask you any more about the day work. Um, so when you went to
Chapter 13: Congressional testimony
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Congress as a whistleblower and you told them about the program, right?
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Did you tell them about this stuff too or did you strictly tell them about like the crash retrieval? No, you got to understand when I went forward to be the
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whistleblower to Congress, I knew that they needed information that would help them to either conduct an investigation
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on the legacy program or to help them to identify some folks they could talk to and some places they
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could go to to perhaps find things um and things like that. So, it was mainly
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centered on that. I did tell them um I had I had a list of 10 things that I always meant to tell them when I was on
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the House side and the Senate side, but I'd get to item number three or four and then all of a sudden it would end up, you know, did you really see an alien?
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[clears throat]
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Okay, whatever.
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You know, so we ended up talking about all this other stuff. Anyway, it was a whole day of of that. But um I didn't tell them about the NHI presence because
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you're talking about uh other things that they're just not ready to do and it wouldn't help them with an investigation.
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What they needed was to know, you know, who's who's working with you or who did you work with, what was your
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mission, you know, where can I find your reports, right?
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And all that kind of stuff. That's what they were mainly interested in because those are the tangible things to get an investigation off the ground, right?
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And then all the golly g whiz stuff is just kind of like nice to know but doesn't really help, right? Okay. Were you able to um are you
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able to say who you spoke with? Like who particularly you met with? Can't say. Well, they've all changed hands, too.
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Some of them are not even on the committees anymore.
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Okay. But they're all people that honestly uh they've been on films, both the one I was in and the one that uh
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Moment of Disclosure also had some of them in there. Um and some of them float around in the public spaces too from time to time.
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[clears throat]
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Okay. Okay. Cool.
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But you can figure that out kind of for yourself. But Sure. You know. Okay.
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They asked me not to say who they were because they have private lives, too.
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Got it. Got it. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. Um, so now you're I know we're in a few of the
Chapter 14: Current orb encounters
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same group chats and I know you mentioned previously, I think it was in the summer, you mentioned to me that you had
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or you mentioned to the group about seeing something and um I messaged you privately and you said that there you had seen orbs outside your home.
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Yeah. And just before we started recording, we were having a little chat and you mentioned that you're still to this day seeing orbs,
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right? Is that correct? Can you tell me about that?
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Um, well, I moved down here to Alabama from Maryland uh last year around um
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June time frame. March, June, right in there.
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Okay. Um, so anyway, as you know, it it rains and storms down here just as like
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it does down in Florida sometimes. So anyway, we had this really bad storm.
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Uh, took out the the power for about over a day actually. It was probably more like 28 hours of, you know, no power.
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Um, so anyway, I'm just sitting there without any power. Got my sitting by the front uh window and it's getting to be
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dusk. Um, sun's going down and uh I just happen to notice there's a
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there's light in the back of my house cuz I can from my front front window where I was sitting, I can see all the way back to the back porch because it's
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an open floor plan. So, uh, as I'm turning my head, there's this orb that comes down right from the, uh,
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where the gutter is, and it comes down below the gutter, and it just hovers there for a minute. Um, and then it
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starts moving forward towards the back door where there's a big glass window and a blind in the window, uh, which goes out to the porch and it
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went right through it like it was not even there. Um, and it's only moving, you know, about the pace of somebody
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walking. Um, then it gets to about where the thermostat is on the wall and then
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there's a hallway and then there's the living room space. Um, because the hallway, if you turn right into the hallway, that's where my bedrooms are in
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my study. Um, so it it keeps coming that way, but it disappears right when it hits that hallway.
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Um, and then it reappears like three feet in front of me, like right right there. And it's a beautiful softball
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sized orb, white, um, very brilliant. And I get this
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telepathic sort of of a uh, a message from it saying, "Don't come any closer. Don't touch don't touch me.
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It's dangerous for you." And I'm kind of looking at it and it's and it stays there just long enough for me to just kind of like have that
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conversation with him or with it. And then it turns very sharply and goes right through the wall, right through my bathroom, right through
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my study, out to the street um in that direction. It looked like it just made a beline right through the wall and it just went through like it wasn't there.
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And I just looked out my front window again and there's three more of them coming down the street on across the street and they're go they're beep
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boopping through the tree line and you know and they're just going down the hill and uh so I get up and I kind of
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look out uh the front door and sure enough they're all joining up. So there's all there's four total and they all just go down the street and
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disappear into the trees. Um wow.
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And uh that was my experience here. I've never seen orbs before.
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Um, they could have been ball lightning for all I know. I don't know. I've heard ball lightning can act pretty weird. It was talking to you though. I wasn't ball lightning.
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There were four of them and it was like they they were meeting up with the one that was in my house.
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Uh, so it looked like they were controlling their own flight pattern kind of a thing, right? Interesting.
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Yeah. And so that part doesn't match any ball lightning that I know of that you can have four of them in trail like that, right? Um,
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and it was talking to you in your home and telling you not to touch it. So, the fact that it was talking probably not bothering.
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Yeah. And I do have that other experiences where I did have telepathic kind of things happen and that definitely felt telepathic.
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Interesting.
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So, um, again, I just never have seen orbs like that before. I'm sure Chris Bled Bledsoe would probably say, "Oh,
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yeah. I that's Fred Barney and Rubble, you know, [laughter] and Wilma and [clears throat] Fred, you know, those guys. I know those guys.
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I have no no clue about all that.
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Huh. That's interesting because when I I I've had one orb experience in my life, only one. It was in broad daylight. Um
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it was only about the size of a golf ball. U but it was white like the one that you saw. Yeah.
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I was actually at an intersection and I saw I I saw like a hawk or eagle or some
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type of bird and it was like dive bombing like it was going to like go after some type of prey. So I saw a dive bomb. So I'm driving. I'm at the stop
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light and I I peaked down to look to see what it's going after.
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But I was not expecting to see what I saw when the eagle or hawk, whatever it was, went down. What I saw when I looked was a orb about the size of a golf ball.
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and the eagle went after it and the orb or whatever it is just kind of dodged it, moved out of the way. The eagle
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freaked out and like took right back off where it came from.
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And I watched this orb just go slowly float right above my car and it turned with the road, which is weird because it doesn't need to follow
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roads, but it turned with the road. It went right above my car and I was looking out the window trying to look at it and I just watched it pass over like 15 feet above my head.
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Wow. I could it didn't have any like features like I couldn't see like a solid like it just looked like uh
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diffuse light like plasma right is that what you is that what it looked like for you yeah there was I didn't see you know
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I've seen only one other spherical shaped UAP that had an aura but you could
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definitely see a defined metallic sphere these had I I didn't see any of that it was like pure light interesting that's exactly what I saw.
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Okay. Huh. Yeah. Very interesting. Yeah.
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Um and you said you're still seeing this stuff to the day. Yeah. I still see orbs in the distance.
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Kind of like stuff that I should be recording but I don't. Um I just never have. I'd rather just sit there and watch it.
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Right.
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Um but anyways, you know, anybody who posts that stuff out there, they get hit by so many people that complain about it. um or have a theory this theory that.
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Anyway, but yeah, I do see the orbs in the distance sometimes and and they react differently because I know flight patterns quite quite well being in the Air Force
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and having that kind of experience. So, there's some of them that definitely look like uh they are not normal craft.
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Interesting. Yeah.
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Well, if you ever do decide to record it, you could shoot it over to me. I would love to see.
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Well, I get tons of it in my in basket every day from all kinds of people, so I could share all that out. I guess
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that's cool. Um, so the uh Sorry, I lost my train of thought. The orbs. Um, it's
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interesting because a lot of people like Lu Alzando and they I've heard it from other places. I can't think of right now
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off the top of my head, but a lot of people I think who are involved somehow in these programs seem to have orbs show
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up at their house. That seems to be a thing. Um Lu Lu Alzando talked about a green orb going through his house. You
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have the white orb. Um so yeah, it's interesting. I don't I don't know what that would be about, but does seem to be
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a trend. Yeah, there seems to be I have other friends as well that were into the gateway program and they were introduced
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to their orb friends. Um they look like a crystal ball that they ushered into a
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room and they either find companionship with the orb or they do not. And they were different colors. Um and that's
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another experience that was like a dream like for me when I was at Fort Deans is being ushered into a room like that. And
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I remember a red crystal. Uh some of these people in the gateway program remember blue and other colors, purple.
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But they're all very beautiful. They're like swirling metallic paint. You know, have you ever seen anybody mix the metallic paint for cars? And it just has all these
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beautiful It has all these beautiful silvery lighting, right? But imagine that also being
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tinged with like plasma, you know, that has color to it also like a rainbow in mixed in with it. And it's all swirling
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around in these little orbs that are about the size of a basketball. And so those are quite common with gateway people um that I found out after I've
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talked to a few of them. Um so yeah, I'm not quite sure if the colors have something to do with, you know, what
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kind of an entity they are. I know the one that I saw first thing that entered my mind was I thought about Rendlessham
Chapter 16: Interdimensional travel
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um and how one of them had touched the craft and said that he saw orbs like the ones I had seen, right?
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And he said they are us. They're like our souls or something. And that also related with what my mom used to tell me
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when she was on the the ward where people were dying, you know, and she said that other people that were getting
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ready to die could see these egg-shaped orbs exiting our body or the bodies of people that had just passed away. And um
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I remember my mom being quite astonished when the guy told her, "Oh, there goes another one. That guy just passed away." And she's like, "How do you know that?" He says, "Every time it happens," he
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says, "I don't know why, but I can see an egg egg- sized orb of light leave their bodies." And sure enough, she went over there and checked him. He was dead.
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And he said, "Yeah, I saw that egg that orb go right through the ceiling. It went straight up." Wow.
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So, those are my thoughts about these orbs that some of them are maybe souls of or living uh beings of some kind that
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represent maybe a whole plethora of different types of species, not just humans, but other species that have souls. Because the reason I make that
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distinction is because some people say that some of these, right, NHI don't have souls and that's something they do with us is to try to steal our bodies or take over, you know,
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do stuff like that. Um but at least some of them are are actually having souls rather than soul less.
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Right. Okay. So that's So So you think that these these uh orbs are are not like tech? You think it's actually
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some type of being or or soul or spirit of something of that nature.
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Well, at least the ones I met definitely had some sort of a living being sense to it. It had a consciousness to it.
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Yeah, that's really interesting. Um, another question I have for you is, you
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know, based off of, you know, what your experiences are and things that you've
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heard while in the program, do you feel like these beings are
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extraterrestrial in nature or interdimensional in nature or because, you know, that's something that's been debated especially over the past couple
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years, kind of what the origin is. What what do you believe based off of your experiences?
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I believe it's a little mix of both. I think uh certain beings can technologically use interdimensionalism and you know cross time and and move
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faster than light using technologies. Um I believe some beings are actually
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living in another dimension. Um some of those may appear to us in
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different ways. It's like I do also know some uh some friends who are spiritually minded
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and talk about astral travel as being a way to interdimensionally sort of traverse
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um time and distance and uh and sometimes it happens a lot in dreams uh vivid dreams and things like this. So
Chapter 17: The future of disclosure
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yeah, I I'm a believer of all that because yeah, I've had very vivid dreams and I I'm remembering that talking to a
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scientist that I knew in or I know in Belgium and his wife was a spiritual person and out of the blue he just ended
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up calling me this one time when I was still up in Maryland working um in the DC area and uh he just said,
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"Jay, um my wife told me to call you." And I'm like, "Your wife, am I in trouble?" He's like, "No, no, no." He's
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like, "No, she's asking me." And I could hear her talking in the background saying, you know, what to ask me, but it was in Belgian. And I didn't I don't
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understand Belgium. Um, so anyway, he just said, "My wife just she just asked me." He said, she wants to know what you dreamed last night. Dreamed? I was like,
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"Really?" And I was like, "Okay." So we went through it and I just said, "Well, I dreamt like I was in the moon. I I I was taken to the moon. And I went into a
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cavern. There was all these NHI and we were all arguing and uh he's like, "Yes, yes." And he's and I hear his wife
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talking to him like he's trying to relay what I just said to her. Then she got all excited and she told me some other
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information in my dream that I hadn't told her about. And I said, "How does your wife know what happened in my dream?"
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And he said, "She says you were astral traveling and she was there also." Oh, wow.
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And I I can't explain that either. I'm like, "Holy crap, this stuff might be just real because I I don't really fall for that." You know, I don't go around
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thinking that way at all in my even now I don't. But that that still amazes me that she was able to do that. And I'm
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like, wow. It just blows my mind that, you know, in your dreams, you could actually do something like that and be there with somebody and they cognitively
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can recall the same exact dream with you. Um, never had that happen.
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It's interesting because that almost implies that the dream space is not just something that takes place in your mind.
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you're almost implies that you're when you're dreaming, you're actually going to I don't know some type of realm where it's interesting.
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Well, I think w in waking states when people talk about doing you know this while they're awake, right?
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They're pretty much they do the the practices that make them leave their body. And the only thing that people do
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regularly that you kind of are physically not there is while you're dreaming and sleeping, your your body totally shuts down.
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And I'm thinking maybe that's just the state of mind you go into. It's it's very meditative. It's just like being awake and doing it, you know,
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cognitively. And Right.
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So maybe it's the same thing in in a way.
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I'm not an expert in that field, but all I know is that that really freaked me out when his wife told me that. Yeah, I imagine that'd be really weird.
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Yeah, that is interesting. Um, so I guess
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what I want to ask you, um, we'll wrap this up soon, but I guess a fi another question I have for you is what do you
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think again based off of your experiences and everything that you've heard while you're in the program, what
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do you think is an aspect of disclosure that people are not ready for?
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It's what I was telling you before is that there's a very real aspect that these are not just shiny objects. These are not just little beings that show up
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and pop in and pop out. They are representative of civilizations that actually exist just like we do. They
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have their own form of societies. They have their own way of life. Uh their own forms of governance. Everything that we
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have, all the trappings that we have and maybe and even more. Um, that's what we're not ready for. Um, is that reality
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just like I was telling you about my experience with in the cave is that [clears throat] that's the reality is that there's a part of this
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that touches into their world. Um, and it for me I can accept it because I experienced it, but for others it's
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absolutely insane to hear about it because they are stuck on just the fact that they want to talk about the shiny object and the little green men and
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that's not what it's all about. Every one of those craft represents a manufacturing plant that can massproduce these crafts. And that means there's got
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to be a place where these people are living. And it's obviously not something that we see every day here. And um it's
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got to be another planet to in my mind at least. Got to be interesting. And do you think that
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human aside from that those those aspects of it just in general disclosure if the government were to say like hey
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you know we're not alone in the universe and we're being visited by uh non-human intelligence if the government were to
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just come clean at least on that portion of it do you feel like people are are
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ready to hear it? Do you think because you know people are worried like oh there'll be a societal collapse or some people feel like oh we're fine. Do you think do you think humanity in general is ready for that discussion?
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I do believe so. I'm I'm I'm con well statistically speaking over 85% of all
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mankind on every society around the planet already believes. Um you have the arguments about religious people
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thinking that this is going to be the end of the world and it's not really.
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Um, I'm a very religious guy myself, been a Christian for many years, but all I think of it as because, yeah, it shook
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me up for while I was in the program because I had just come out of my most religious point of my life as a young man when I got introduced to the program
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and it forced me to reread the Bible, but with the context of the experiences I had just had. And honestly, I I I
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looked at the stories in there about all these strange, you know, sons of God appearing to Abram, Abraham in his tent
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and Isaac and the angels that were delivering messages to all these, you know, to Joseph and Mary, the lights, uh
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Isaiah, you know, all the living beings that Isaiah and Ezekiel were seeing in their visions of, you know, God coming
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and speaking to them. Um I I I believe it's the reality. I think
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uh back when they walked the earth more readily, it was much more common back then, but for some reason they've backed
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off over the past couple of millennia uh for whatever reason. It may have been just that, you know, if God is the
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ultimate intelligence, maybe he told them to back the heck off and let us leave us alone. I mean, he he apparently in the Bible, if you believe that, that
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he he thought it was an abomination that some of the watchers had slept with women and created these giants and he
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actually flooded the earth because he was about ready to just call it quits.
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Um, so yeah, I think God has a reason maybe to shut them up and maybe uh they're in league, you know, all these
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other beings that are in league with God are maybe protecting us right now from all that influence. Um, and yet some of
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it still leaks out from here and there and that's where people see these glimpses of what they call monsters sometimes or strange experiences or evil
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that terrorize people. So yeah, I think that it's just the reality that we and I believe also I want to say this for other anybody that might be from the
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government that might listen is that and and even in the defense industry base that are part of the legacy program,
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it's going to get a big monkey off the legacy people's back to just say, "Yeah, we're not alone." Because I think everybody's going to accept that we
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don't want to give give in to, you know, national security being compromised. We understand that the weapon systems do
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need to still be kept secret, but just knowing that we're not alone, at least we can move forward to the point where in society now that we can take that and work with it.
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And I think that would be a big step forward. It would get a big monkey off the legacy people's back, they wouldn't need to kill anybody
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anymore for saying that uh the NHI are here. um and andor even just giving them
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a hard time like they have me and other whistleblowers. So, there's a lot of reasons why I think it would be a good deal for them. But I think backlash is
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not really there. I think the the religious people, there's going to always be some people that are going to be against it just like they are today and we're just going to have another
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day. We're going to move on. Honestly, I think that's what what would happen.
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I would hope so. I would hope so. Um and I think you're right. I think statistically there there has to be other life in the universe. we can't be the only ones. Um, so I think you're
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spot on with your assessment there, Jason. Um, thank you.
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So, we're gonna we're going to wrap this up, but Jason, I just want to say thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it. Um, you have been such a
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cool guy to talk to, so thank you for taking time to come on tonight and speak with me.
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Yes. Thank you very much for having me here. I'm glad I got to uh speak about all the subjects. Uh, I'm sure it'll be a good refresher for some of
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the people that know about me and it' be uh some good information for folks that are just getting up to speed.
1:11:41
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Exactly. Exactly. And I I will put your contact information, your ex handle. Um, anything else that you want me to to to put out there for people?
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Um, I do have some followers on Tik Tok.
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Um, not a lot on Instagram. Yeah. So mainly Tik Tok and X, but it's the same thing.
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You'll find me. I don't mask my name.
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It's Jason T. Sans or JT Sans, you know the two.
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Great. All right. I will put that all in the description. Again, Jason, thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it. Yep. Thank you.