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based on current european space agency data there  are over 5 800 functional satellites in orbit  
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with nearly 31 590 debris objects that  have been logged and continuously tracked  
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by space surveillance networks but what about  the rare and curious astronomical objects  
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that may have vanished or appeared in her sky  and what could make an object vanish entirely  
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or appear out of nothing could they  be alien artifacts or from et beatrice  
Chapter 2: Passion in scientific career
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vo roell researcher at the nordic institute  for theoretical physics awarded the l'oreal  
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unesco prize for women in science principal  investigator at the vasco network joins me  
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to answer these questions and discuss her recent  findings join us as we get rebelliously curious  
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beatrice thank you for joining me on rebelliously  curious so you do a plethora of things  
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you are a woman in science but you also are a  researcher at the nordic institute for theoretical  
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physics you are also a recent award winner from  the l'oreal unesco award and you also are the head  
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investigator of the vasco network uh you do so  many things as a woman in science and i appreciate  
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that and how do you sleep at night and how do  you even have time to sleep at night i should say  
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if to be honest i don't sleep much at night  thank think one of the tricks i've been uh  
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like always doing is to try to do  only the things i really like to do   and i think that's something that is very very  important and i would say especially for women  
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that are doing science and that is to learn to do  the stuff that you like to do follow the research  
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leads that you are interested in because then  things become much easier work doesn't feel   like work when it's your passion or your hobby  at the same time and if you simply do the stuff  
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that you'd like to do you will have much more fun  and you will manage your time in a much wiser way   yeah it's it's great advice it's true yeah i think  you have to follow your passion and you have to  
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follow your love and anything you do i agree and  it's i'm really proud to see women doing more in  
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science because they should they should be and i'm  glad that there is obviously more of an acceptance   and there's funding and women are really taking  a lead and it's just it's beautiful to see  
Chapter 3: Searching for anomalies
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you do so many things and one of the areas  of studies that you have in theoretical  
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physics but also looking at vanishing star and  anomalies can you break down the area of science  
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or the area that you're studying right now and  why you're studying it okay so um even if i'm  
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affiliated to the nordic institute of theoretical  physics i actually do more of like data analysis  
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and observational astronomy with astronomical  image images and so what i really really like  
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working with uh is the searches for anomalies  because by searching for weird astronomical  
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objects you can actually learn a real lot you can  find something that is absolutely crazy or that  
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you thought was crazy and then you actually can  can maybe sort out that this is a rather normal  
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phenomenon or you might find something that you at  first sight you don't know what it is and then you  
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learn that this is something super cool and maybe  you can even find some type of city candidates  
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like candidates that you can follow up for um such  as for external terrestrial intelligence research  
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like that you could say okay hey this is what  we're going to take a careful look at just in case  
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so i'm very very interested in searching for weird  anomalies and if you think of it a lot of the  
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astronomical objects that we know of and today  when they first were discovered also an anomaly  
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for example the quasars like all astronomers  know what quasars are today and that is um  
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and that is uh that you have some super luminous  objects in the in the course of galaxies that are  
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very luminous because they have a lot of accretion  and gas that falls upon a supermassive black hole  
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but when they first were discovered like in 1963  one didn't know what it was one saw something that  
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looked like a star it looked like a star and  it's shown very or it had a very strong like  
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shine do you say something in english  right yeah no that's great yeah right   but the object that looked like a star seemed  to also be extra galactic it seemed to be  
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outside our own galaxy and that's how  undiscovered equator that it was on a   very very mysterious spectrum associated to this  star and every time we find an anomaly we push  
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science further and that's why i like to search  for anomalies i think that's amazing and how do  
Chapter 4: VASCO project methodology
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you go about searching for anonymity like where do  you start with that you know it's such a massive  
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sky you know we have such a massive universe  how do you even go about where do you start  
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and then kind of break down that process for me  so um i have a project called the vanishing and  
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appearing sources during a century of observations  project also called the vasco project and we are  
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about 40 people from different disciplines and we  are trying to find things that either has vanished  
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from our sky or appeared in the sky in some weird  way and we do this by comparing images from 1950s  
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with images from today we have all like  70 years in between these images and  
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we were hoping to find a vanishing star  like a real star that has vanished entirely  
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we started finding other weird things instead but  it's a very very fun project because we do this uh  
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together with citizen scientists and we do it in  particular with citizen scientists in algeria and  
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nigeria so it's super fun for us and i have to ask  now you said you found weird things what are what  
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are these weird things that you're finding or what  are these anomalies that you're finding that you  
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would consider weird so i have one favorite  let me show it to you i'd love to see that  
Chapter 5: Vanishing star mystery
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what are we looking at right now well this  is an image from the uh 12th of april 1950  
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and this is an image i think from 1986 i think  it's written there and uh 1996 maybe it is rather  
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um so in in this image in the green circles you  can see nine star looking objects that are there  
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on the 12th of april 1950 but they are no longer  there for this image the fact is that if you  
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look at an image taken half an hour earlier they  are not there either and neither six days later  
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wow and they look all like very star-like and  the brightness profiles are typical of stars and  
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what makes these nine objects appear and vanish  within half an hour now that is one of my favorite  
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anomalies because we don't know if it's real one  of the most boring explanations is that these  
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stars are no stars on some type of plate defects  that by coincidence by pure coincidence all of  
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them these plate defects would have very  star-like brightness profiles which is   kind of weird that they all would have this  queen so doesn't this little image of the sky
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maybe some type of contamination nuclear  fallout can produce this kind of platelets   or it's actually a real astronomical  observation but then it's kind of super weird  
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because um we don't know any astronomical uh  phenomenon that would create this kind of effect  
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wow and you said that one plate when looking at  one of the panels 30 minutes later it was gone  
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as well so it wasn't just over a course  of years it was over a course of minutes   half an hour so the only way how i could  imagine this happening would kind of not be  
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um with a with anything astronomical but let's say  if you today you have lots of satellites and space  
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debris then you can have glints and sometimes  appearing like multiple links in a small image and   that would be totally normal today but this image  is from 1950 seven years before sputnik one so  
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so that's why it's so important to find out  whether it's a real phenomenon or whatever but   it's some type of very unusual defects yeah and  you brought up sweating wine because before that  
Chapter 6: Space debris vs. artifacts
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that was one of the first satellites that  was ever launched so the revelant i guess   the the the importance of that is that there  was no other space junk or any debris if i'm  
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correct so this right so what you're looking at is  something that wouldn't have all this mass amount  
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of satellites or space junk or you know elon elon  musk sending up the starlink or anything like that  
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so i think that's really unbelievable and then  how far is that close to earth is that image  
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well we actually don't know we have notion um  but it should be pretty far away because they are  
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they are focused and uh well if it would um if it  is real i can't say uh how far away it is but one  
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one guess that we have done is that it could be  not geosynchronous orbit around earth so it could  
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be something like 40 000 kilometers uh uh at four  thousand kilometers altitude of 36 thousand um so
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it would be pretty high up and not sent by us  but i don't i i would say like this one needs  
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to start with the most boring explanation  that it's maybe some type of defects and we   are starting there and we're trying to figure  out how we can test this in a very um how can  
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i say in a more accurate way anyway it's one  of my favorites anomalies because you can find   these type of weird things in the photographic  plate surveys that people ever thought about  
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and maybe some type of new astronomical phenomenon  or some new type of sky phenomenon that nobody  
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knows of that has nothing to do with any alien  objects or so but simply because they are very  
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very rare and we would not see them on the  sky today because the sky is too contaminated  
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right and that would be cool if it's some  new type of astronomical phenomenon or   new type of atmospheric phenomenon  that one just doesn't know about  
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exciting very exciting have people considered  you uh in comparison to avi loeb like a female  
Chapter 7: Vasco vs. Galileo project
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version of an avilope because i say this yeah  i say this because we hear you know we know  
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that and and you are working alongside the galileo  project what we're seeing which i think is amazing  
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and we need you know i think avi needs more  scientists and more people within that space and   you know helping and looking and observing  what's happening but he's also looking for  
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extraterrestrial artifacts as well what are the  difference what's the difference between what  
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you're doing and then what avi loeb's doing at  the galileo project and maybe how are they similar  
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for me he's a very very inspirational scientist  i think he's courageous he's brilliant really  
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really brilliant so i'm like always super  happy to see what he's doing and all his  
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ideas for the gay lily are very very inspiring  for me um now galileo is trying to look for like  
Chapter 8: Complementary research
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anomalies and uaps um like like now with a new  instrumentation and they are trying to use on uh  
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or they are using an artificial intelligence  they have a fantastic instrumental setup and  
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that they have built and like fine-tuned in order  to search for uavs um now they are working with  
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the sky as it is today in the vasco project when  we see these things we're looking at the old sky  
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the sky without the satellites the sky without  all the human combination because we have like  
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now in this high altitude orbits in space we have  something like 30 million of pieces of reflective  
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metals or other type of objects that are there  that are giving off all the time reflections and  
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are larger than one centimeters it's we have  an enormous amount of condemnation and vasco  
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basically looks back in time and galileo looks  right now so if you want to actually confirm  
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something right now and get a spectrum and get  really good imaging is the galileo projects  
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but what we can offer is uh unconditional  uncontaminated view yeah i think it's wonderful  
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how you're doing this past and present and you're  looking for these you know alien ancient kind of  
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artifacts and the amazing part is that you know  maybe we'll see something in a panel that you'll  
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capture and then one day maybe we'll would we  see something similar and present and be able   to compare and contrast them and look at that  data because you're looking at the past and he's  
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looking at the present do you think that you'll  find something that might be similar where you can   say to avi like look what we found and one day  he can say like look what we found and be able  
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to maybe not figure out obviously where it's from  but have a little bit more understanding obviously   with time too being a major factor absolutely  because if we such like we're doing the such  
Chapter 9: Detecting alien artifacts
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as now we can do some key predictions and we  can send them to avi and the galileo project   who probably will be very excited and might look  for these type of events in their data and i think  
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these projects simply can be very complementary  to each other in the way that um we can submit our  
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results to them and they can take a look and we  can give each other feedback i think it's very   complimentary yeah it's fabulous now what about  seti have you talked to study with your recent  
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research and have they said anything to you about  and and do they have an interest in it as well  
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i don't have much of communication [Music]  with with the entire city community  
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regarding this because they resolved so  much of interest into the near earth setting  
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so i i usually try to talk more with my colleagues  who are more interested into the uaps and so on  
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we're a minority so far in the city community  but i hope i think it will change your time   yeah and i hope it does too uh it'd be great  to see more organizations working together  
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micah hanks recently did an article  entitled evidence of non-terrestrial objects  
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surveilling earth could be revealed in new  research effort and so you were quoted in   this article and and i will link this above  as well so anyone who wants to read it can  
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the question is about aliens and e.t if they've  been surveilling earth for a very long time  
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or if they have from the past and what that  could possibly look like how might we would   detect evidence of these technologies then in  in your perspective um of how we'd be able to  
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detect this if they have been surveilling us for a  very long time so if we go back to this image yeah  
Chapter 10: Citizen science collaboration
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like i was mentioning that you could have like um  multiple stars appearing and vanishing in the same  
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image so imagine now if some of these stars would  be aligned let's say that they would be if you  
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would have something orbiting the earth sometimes  you can also see not in all cases but that's um  
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several of them fall upon a line and that's one  of the things that we could separate that from  
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the idea from the possibility of that they would  have defects and because if you have defects these  
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are going to be randomly placed on your plates now  if you have something that's that where they all  
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perfectly lie on the line that would be more  indicative of that you have something moving   in our orbit around the earth so what the simply  can do like with a vanishing and appearing sources  
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during a center of observations projects we have  been looking for these stars that appear in vanish  
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over several years now you can pick the lists  because we already have them for example they came  
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out the paper uh one month ago by my colleague  enrique solano um where we have been looking for  
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like this type of transients and what you can do  is to simply look for take the coordinates and   look for those that are aligned on our line and  we have been working on this we have a preprint  
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out and uh and the article is currently under  review where we have been looking for these type  
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of examples we found a few interesting examples  that we still don't know if they are real or not  
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but they are quite unlikely so we have to examine  them more in detail so we're having fun with that  
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wow and let's see rise the review process right  right i want to go back a little bit to the  
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citizen science project and there's 40 different  types of um astronomers scientists and people that  
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are working in it how do you pick these people how  do citizens get involved and how do you pick them   to be able to help you on this research  effort everyone are allowed to join us  
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and usually they mean like when people contacted  me or um that they have started up collaborations  
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so everyone are allowed to join moscow i did see  though online that you have this website too that  
Chapter 11: Democratizing science
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you can go and you can look at the panels and you  can help do some actual research and i'll show   what these panels look like too can you break down  how somebody will be able to go on and help and  
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look at these images and and then send that  data back to you sure and we have this um  
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uh web page where i can go and i can compare  an image from 1950s with an image from today  
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and you can look if the central object in the  left image from 90 click this is missing in the  
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right image and one can click there and select  different options you can play around with the  
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alignment of the image apologies might have came  in here and one can also examine many more images  
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there if it clicks on the inspect button and one  can also contact us you can find something very   interesting please write to us and we can discuss  and we will also be interacting with the citizen  
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scientists now we have also focused extra on  two communities of citizen scientists and that  
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we have enjoyed working very much with and one  is the serious astronomy association in algeria
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that is also the head of the african astronomer  society and the other one is a community of  
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researchers and students in nigeria at the basic  center of space science there led by emma dom and  
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then we have been these two groups have been doing  extra much of uh vasco citizen science activities  
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and workshops and so on and which is super fun  that's amazing have you had time to go to nigeria  
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to see them or to see to meet the people that  are working on the project we're going to meet   for the first time live in december because we are  planning to make a real-life workshop we couldn't  
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do it during the content days and there has been  a lot of struggles with the visa and so on not   in december we'll finally meet in real life and i  look really much for what trades that's exciting  
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i'd like to have you back on the show along with  maybe some of the students that have been doing   some research with you because it'd be amazing to  see that perspective and i also just like to see  
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that cultures are working together in multiple  different ways to find you know to find answers  
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which i think is really beautiful i think it's  also so important for me that city research can be  
Chapter 12: UAP field stigma
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done not only by the richest institutes because it  has only been done by the absolute most ivy league  
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institutes that can afford it and i think this  is a question that belongs to everyone because   it belongs to all cultures and all religious on  the planets and all nations i mean why are we here  
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on earth and i find it important to try to make  sati available over the whole planet at least  
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for me it is i think that's beautiful you're  right and it's not just you know science isn't  
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just for people that obviously have more money  or wealth or rich institutes it's for everybody   and research is for everybody and this is this  affects us all so i think you're right i think  
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having the average citizen and having multiple  different cultures learn and research and have   their own perspectives i think is just really  unbelievable and i i commend you on that for sure  
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i want to ask you your perspective of the uap  topic where are you yeah where are you currently  
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now you know we have so much going on about ufos  is it something that you follow and take really  
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seriously while you're looking at all the new  research when you're doing your own research in   your own data you know are you following the uap  topic currently and and have you followed it for  
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maybe years well um i would say i'm starting off  like a uap agnostic because in astronomy i have  
Chapter 13: Investigating space probes
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always been surrounded very much by skepticism to  it and um at the same time i must say that i was  
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uh like many star wars or like hours like some  astronomers i have been like shocked by the  
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congressional um hearings that were made public  or and also this um what's called the report that  
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came out in 2021 last june because it made me  think it really made me think like can i just be  
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dismissing this and especially when i see weird  things in the data can i can i really just be  
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dismissing something um because of some kind of  preconscious biases or and here i find it very  
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important to just investigate and i think that's  the most important thing for us astronomers and  
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scientists is to maybe not say that uaeps are real  or give them assigned an explanation like again  
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that this is extraterrestrials what is important  for us is to stop dismissing the topic and stop  
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stigmatizing it stopping to um like there is  some ridicule to sign to watch scientists who are  
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interested in the topic and i think that's wrong  we need to destigmatize uh the uap field because  
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why would it be okay to look for aliens very  far away but why is one crazy if one looks close  
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to the earth i mean it doesn't make any sense it  should well it should be distance independence and  
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the serious seriousness level and i find it equal  in the light of all these reports that we have  
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seen uh in the last year it's time to just uh  take a serious look at it at the uap question  
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and in in the case of pasco we're not really  working with uaps directly but we're looking  
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we're looking more for space probes or just  remains from metals when we are looking for this  
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kind of links along a line um sorry remains of a  promo so that's not directly iuap that maybe would  
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be a broken uap or something like that for maybe  a hundred thousand years ago um uap space junk  
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well if abel sends something here let's say 500  000 years ago a piece of it might still be in  
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orbit and we would be able to see it in our  data so even if it doesn't deal with the uaps  
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as a phenomenon it still can give us some type  of insight if any probe has ever been near us  
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so i so so that's where i come from if  you ask me do you think that uaps are real   i don't know i don't have  enough of knowledge information  
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i can imagine that a lot of the testimonies are  real but misinterpreted maybe something natural  
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but i find the question important and i want  to help to destigmatize the research so that   people can do are really good try to  understand the phenomenon where it comes from  
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and explain it no matter what is the end  result even if the end result is just that   it's all wrong or if the end result is that yes  it is et and they are here and we're being invaded  
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it doesn't matter i think it's just important  to stigmatize it all i want to ask you my last  
Chapter 14: Future funding and goals
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question too i'm curious to see if you had way  more funding you know in the next like 10 years  
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where would you take the vasco where would  you take the vasco network and where would   you like to see it go so right now i'm getting  out of funding so if we say it like that because  
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i have only like three months left of  funding so that's my current situation um  
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i'm going to try to apply for funding but it has  not it hasn't been given any funding in europe  
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so far so it's going to be a big challenge  very big challenge especially the way how  
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the kind of stuff they were doing but if i  imagine if we would have 10 years more of funding  
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i would uh really want to go on on this  track that we are doing with the glints  
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and looking for probes near the earth and together  with a colleague we have now been working on  
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developing a program for this that i cannot tell  more about but i hope we will be able to land   some type of funding for the research program we  are developing because we are very interested in  
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making a very very deep uh look into the  question whether there are probes or any i  
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mean alien probes um near earth or in the solar  system and we are going to keep working on that  
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that's awesome beatrice that's our time but  i want to say as i say to all of our guests   thank you for being rebelliously curious with me  and i look forward to having you back uh later  
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on hopefully potentially in the new year after  you go to nigeria and do some research um with  
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some civilians there so thank you again and it's  great that come to sweden oh they're coming to  
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sweden oh okay even better thank you even better  but thank you very much thanks a lot [Music] you