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Welcome to Somewhere in the Skies. I am your host,  Ryan Spreg, and today we are joined by Anders  
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Addison. Anders is the creator behind the rapidly  growing YouTube channel Uncanny Expeditions. He  
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has carved out a unique space in the UFO and black  projects world by doing something most of us only  
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talk about. He actually goes out there from the  deserts surrounding Area 51 to remote military  
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test ranges across the American Southwest. Anders  documents secretive sites, unexplained aerial  
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activity, and the hidden infrastructure of the  modern military-industrial complex. What started  
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as a personal fascination with places like Area  51 evolved into a full-time pursuit, traveling the  
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country, exploring some of the most restricted and  mysterious landscapes, and capturing footage that  
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has caught the attention of both the UFO community  and mainstream media. In this conversation,  
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we dive into his expeditions around Area 51 and  beyond, including his now infamous Dorito aircraft  
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sighting, his search for Bob Lazar's elusive S4  facility, encounters with camo dudes and base  
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security, and even a mysterious crash site of  a UAP near the Nevada Test and Training Range.  
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We also explore what he believes may really  be happening at these classified locations and  
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whether any of it could connect to the broader  UFO mystery. We'll be getting to that interview   in just a moment, but before we do that, I want  to give a special shout out and thank you to our  
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find new listeners and gain visibility. Thank  you for your support. It is time to head out  
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into the desert with Anders Odison and into  the unknown as we explore uncanny expeditions.  
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While our government's official position  is not to speculate on this subject,   we can choose to let our minds explore other  possibilities, to use our imaginations. For if we  
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consider that astrocientists agree on one point,  that the possibility of life elsewhere is not only  
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quite probable, some feel it is there without  a doubt. Let us suppose then that these objects  
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are real space vehicles extraterrestrial  origin and not an illusion of the mind.
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I'm Ryan Spre and you are  now somewhere in the skies.
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Anders, welcome for the very first time to  Somewhere in the Skies. Thank you so much   for having me. I'm excited to be here. Of course,  man. Now, for those of my audience who may not be  
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familiar with your work, I am going to immediately  send them right after this interview to your  
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YouTube channel and that is Uncanny Expeditions.  Um, I first saw you on NewsNation when one of the  
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things that you captured in one of your videos  kind of went viral inside and outside of the UFO  
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community. And we'll get to that, the uh quote  unquote Dorito, but uh your channel covers so  
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much more than that. So, tonight we're going to be  really talking about exposing things like Area 51,  
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secret sites, black projects. Let's start from the  beginning. like how how did this all start? How  
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did you become kind of a an explorer? Uh have  you always been kind of the adventurous type?  
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What what kind of got you into exploring the  deserts in the United States and abroad? Yeah,  
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so it's it's definitely a long story in that it's  something that I've been interested in since I  
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was pretty young as far as the whole Area 51, the  other black sites, secret sites out in the desert.  
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Um, I used to spend a long time, hours and hours,  uh, reading about these kind of places on the  
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internet. You know, reading all kinds of theories,  not just about UFOs, but other black projects,   uh, aircraft projects, things like that that  were being worked on at these sites. And it's  
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always kind of been in the back of my mind. It  wasn't always in the forefront of what I was   doing. It kind of got put on the back burner for  years. And then, um, a few years ago, I started,  
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uh, traveling the US full-time in an RV. So uh  I I had quit the job that I had been working and  
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um I was able to do basically a remote job and  working in national parks. Uh both of those things  
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allowed me to spend um almost 5 years traveling  basically the entire US and I would spend a lot  
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of time especially in the winter um in the desert  southwest uh of the US. So, a lot of the interest  
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that I had in Area 51 and these sites that are  located in the desert southwest kind of came back  
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to the surface and I started doing a lot more  exploring and um eventually I started getting  
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a little bit more serious about you YouTube.  Um it was basically January of 2025 that I I  
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rebranded my channel to Uncanny Expeditions and  I started actually turning it into something   that was a little bit more serious besides just,  you know, fun uploads every now and then. And I  
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kind of combined all my interests and hobbies,  you know, the secret sites, the the UFO stuff,   exploring the desert, uh riding my motorcycle.  I kind of rolled all that into one and turned it  
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into what now has become Uncanny Expeditions. And  it's, uh, yeah, it's kind of the rest is history,  
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I guess you could say. Yeah, man. And it exploded.  I mean, I'm looking at your your subs subscribers  
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right here. you're you're pushing like 180,000k  subscribers, which is incredible. Crazy. Yeah.  
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Like I still sometimes can't believe how how much  interest there ended up being in it. And uh I'm  
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I'm very grateful for everybody who's enjoyed the  content so far. And I look forward to to bringing  
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even bigger and better stuff down the line. We're  just getting started as far as I'm concerned. Ah,  
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I love that. Well, uh you did mention the  buzzwords that uh perk my ears and our listeners  
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ears. That's Area 51, UFOs. So, um, of course, you  know, that's my obvious next question. What was  
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your interest in these sorts of things? Like, did  you have an interest in UFOs prior to the channel?  
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Um, have you seen a UFO prior to starting the  channel or anything like that? Yeah, so my my kind  
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of opinion on UFOs has it's it's changed a lot as  far as going back and forth um over the years. So,  
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when I first started getting into the topic, I was  super into, you know, Bob Lazar, his connection  
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to Area 51, S4. According to Lazar, his employer  was the United States Navy. He says he and other  
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government employees would gather near EGNG, fly  to Groom Lake, then a very few people would get   into a bus with blacked out or no windows, and  drive to S4. You get off the bus, what do you  
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see? It's a very interesting building. It's got  a slope of probably about 30°. The uh which are  
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hanger doors and it has textured paint on it, but  it's it looks like sand. It's made to look like   the side of the mountain that it's in, whether  it's to disguise it from satellite photographs or  
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what. I kind of went through a phase where I was I  I became really skeptical a lot of a lot of these  
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UFO claims. And then I've kind of come back around  in the more in the last seven or eight years to  
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being back to where um I'm still skeptical of  a lot of these claims, but I definitely believe  
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that UFOs exist. I believe that the US government  knows more than they're telling us about UFOs,   and I am open to the idea of some like potential,  you know, reverse engineering uh projects and  
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things like that at some of these sites. Um,  as far as like having having seen a UFO myself,   there's been a couple of instances in the last few  years, like basically just before I got serious  
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about my channel and these these really kind of  sparked my interest in the whole night vision   uh videography kind of side of things. And  um basically what I saw is what looked like  
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a satellite and that it was moving in a a straight  trajectory uh constant speed and then after I was  
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watching it for a few minutes it would suddenly  dart at a 90° angle essentially. Um so it would it  
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started to move in a way that was not consistent  with a satellite or at least a satellite that I'm   aware of or um any other known aircraft. and I  saw something that did that on two two separate  
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nights. Um, and I I would consider it a UFO. I  don't obviously know whether it was, you know,  
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a new type of satellite that can suddenly change  direction on a dime or what it was, but it seemed   like it was very uh very high altitude. That was  one thing that really started to get me into,  
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okay, I want to get serious about specifically  night vision videography so I can hopefully  
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capture some of these these unusual things that  we're seeing. In the past, I I had the opportunity  
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to go to the back gate of Area 51. You know, I did  the whole alien thing. Um, went to the back gates,  
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got my selfies, did all that stuff. I I guess  my question for you would be, you know, we had  
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like someone who kind of directed us to where to  go, what not to do, what to do, things like that.  
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When you first started these kind of expeditions  and whatnot, did you have like someone kind of  
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um you know, your Obi-Wan to the Luke Skywalker  like kind of guiding you and telling you,  
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"Oh yeah, this is where you should be looking.  this is what you should prepare before you go. Um,  
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here's some recon or some intel before you get  out there. Like, yeah. Was there someone like that  
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for you or was this kind of like you just threw  yourself in like head first? It was definitely  
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more so that I just threw myself in head first.  So, I didn't really have somebody out there with  
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me acting as kind of the the tour guide role or um  like the Obi-Wan as you say. Um, I had spent a lot  
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of time reading about the area on various internet  forums. Uh, the Area 51 subreddit has always been  
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super helpful. Um, there's also a guy by the name  of Yorg Arnu. He's a German guy who lives in um,  
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in Rachel and he runs a website called Dreamland  Resort. It's been out there since like 1998,  
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I think he started it. And I used to read that  website a ton growing up and um it basically still  
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looks the same today as it did back then, which  is crazy. Uh so that was a super good resource  
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and people would post their like trip reports on  there like okay I went here here and here and um  
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you know kind of just just combining the knowledge  that I had found from those sources and um like  
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just going out there and you know the first time  I'd been out there I kind of just did the standard   stuff going to both gates and I got more into to m  to mapping and um you know going a little bit more  
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in depth as I made subsequent trips out there.  So, I feel a lot more confident now than I did,  
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you know, a few years ago just because of how  many trips I've made out there. You know, I've   I've both relied on existing maps and I've kind of  made my own maps of the area, marking points where  
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I think, you know, are good places to observe.  So, yeah, it's it's a process, but uh it's it's  
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come together pretty well, I think. Yeah. I mean,  I'm sure it's a process, but I mean, the the the  
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I guess reward is some of these incredible video.  I will say you have arguably uh gotten some of the  
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best footage I think of, you know, Area 51, the  Nellis range, the Tonap, like all of these places.  
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Um closer looks and glimpses of things going on  there than anyone I I've ever come across. I I  
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guess for like I'm a city boy, right? Like I grew  up in the suburbs of upstate New York. I lived  
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in New York City for like 15 years. I live in a  city now in the UK. Um, so like the desert, I'm  
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not going to lie, man. Like I I would probably die  within the first 48 hours. I cuz I don't know how  
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to prepare for something like that. So what what  would you say to someone who is going to go out to  
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these super remote desert areas? Like how do you  prepare for something like that? Because you don't  
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know if you're going to get lost. you don't know  how far things you can map it all you want but you  
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know it takes one flat tire or one wrong turn and  you know then you [ __ ] out of luck I guess would  
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be the best way to put it. How do you prepare for  an expedition? you you brought up some some good  
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points in that uh you shouldn't just rush out  there unprepared because a lot of people look  
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at look at it on Google Maps and they think they  think it's a lot easier terrain than it actually  
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is when you get out there. Um so one thing that I  always recommend doing if you have access to this  
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is to bring a um a Garmin satellite communicator.  U I haven't had to use it but it's super nice to  
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have as a piece of mind. Basically, it's like a  subscription service that you pay for, but it's   a little device where you can send satellite text  messages. You can send out like an SOS if you had  
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to get like an Airlift Rescue or something like  that. Um, that's a really good thing to have  
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for peace of mind. Um, having a a vehicle that  has uh decent tires is is super important. So,  
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don't go out on these dirt roads. Even if they  look like they're decent dirt roads, don't go   out there unless you have off-road tires because  I've uh I have gotten a few flat tires even with,  
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you know, having decent tread. And it really is  not not a lot of fun to deal with out there. Um  
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so, that's that's really key, just making sure  you're prepared as far as having a good vehicle.   Always have food and water. Um, I carry, you know,  a ton of those little like backpacker meals with  
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me that you can basically just add boiling water  to and you got your calories right there. Um,  
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yeah, I always have quite a bit of water, both  water bottles and, you know, like a filled up,   you know, five gallon jug. So, um, yeah, that's  that's really the basics as far as, you know,  
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being able to survive out there and just kind of  being mentally prepared for anything is key. you   know, you uh it it's really I I like it out there  in the desert because it is so remote. You know,  
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that's something that appeals to me. I love being  able to to pick a road and drive down it and know   that it's very unlikely that I'll come across  another human. I think there's something kind  
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of really peaceful about that. But a lot for a  lot of people, you know, that can also be kind of   nerve-wracking. So, you got to be be prepared in  that you're you're really alone in a lot of these  
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places, right? Right. You can physically prepare  all you want, but I mean mentally going out there  
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alone, I don't know how you do it, honestly, man.  It's it's commendable. Um I I guess I guess we'll  
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dive into some specific videos if that's cool with  you. And for those just listening on the podcast,  
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uh we are going to be featuring some footage  from some of Andrew's videos in the YouTube   and Spotify video version of this episode. So, be  sure to hop over to those if you want to see some  
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of the incredible things that he's captured. And  the first one, Anders, uh this is the one that   kind of went viral and got me to um subscribe to  your channel when when I saw what you were up to,  
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and that was the Dorito aircraft. Um can you maybe  tell us a little about um you know, where this  
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happened, what the whole experience was like, and  uh yeah, maybe where you stand on that today? what  
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what is or what do you think the Dorito aircraft  was and yeah just lay out that whole experience  
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for us if you don't mind and it was right at the  same time that I had had my experience. So those  
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two things combined I was like okay this feels  like it was a really unique test flight of some   kind that I had witnessed. So as I posted the  video um it started kind of you know doing the  
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rounds on the internet that's where you you saw it  and everything. Um I had uh had some contact with  
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a few uh aviation journalists uh at that point and  um yeah they they were able to float some pretty  
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interesting theories in my opinion as far as like  what this aircraft could have been. So a lot of   people you know they say it's a UFO and stuff like  that. I want to first say that as far as that goes  
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I consider UFOs something that clearly has like  a more exotic propulsion system whereas this  
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definitely had a jet engine. Um, so it's it's an  unidentified military aircraft. Um, but what what  
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I think is is one of the more likely explanations  for the Dorito is uh basically um an electronic or  
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electromagnetic uh attack aircraft. And this was  proposed by uh journalist Bill Sweetman. He was  
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actually the first person to identify the RQ170.  So he has a lot of um he has a lot of knowledge  
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and expertise in the the kind of black project  secret military aviation field. and he he proposed  
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that it is uh basically like a flying antenna and  each of the triangle edges will have emitters that  
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will broadcast uh electromagnetic signals for  jamming enemy communications, enemy radar. Uh so  
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you could theoretically send an aircraft like this  in prior to a bombing run and have it basically  
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jam um enemy uh electronics. So I think that's one  of the more likely theories as to what was going  
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on. I think potentially what they were doing is um  the different codes could have been like uh like a  
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a drink could have been like a particular radar  signature and the food could have been whatever  
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signal they were emitting from the aircraft. So  like it could have been like uh Michelob or Corona  
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could have been like a particular type of Russian  or Chinese radar signature that they were spoofing   and then the the garlic or whatever food item  could have been the signal that was coming from  
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the aircraft. And that's totally my own theory  that I that I kind of just came up with based on   the evidence. So yeah, that's that's kind of the  gist of it. Yeah. I mean, that's so interesting.  
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I mean, yeah, like you said, when you watch the  video, which I'm sure at this point we've we've   cut to it maybe a couple times. Uh there there  is a clear propulsion to this thing. You know,  
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there is an exhaust uh behind it and whatnot. Um,  I I got to ask you, do you think it was physically  
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piloted or do you think this is more of like a UAV  remote uh sort of controlled thing? Like a drone,  
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I guess, of some sort. Yeah, unmanned or unmanned.  Um, that's to say for sure. I tend to think it  
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was I think it was probably manned. Um, and in the  article that I just referenced from Bill Sweetman,  
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he he thinks it was a manned electromagnetic  attack aircraft. Um, so that that tends to  
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be what I think, but I really don't know. You  know, it definitely could have been unmanned. Um,  
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it could have been, yeah, a remote piloted  aircraft. Obviously, they do a lot of flying  
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of those out there these days. Um, so it really  could go either way with that one. It's hard to  
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say for sure, but it's definitely in my opinion um  if if it's the same thing that was seen in 2014,  
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then it's for sure manned because you know  those those as far as I know, there weren't any   drones that shape back in 2014. So, if if we're  looking at the same aircraft as in those photos,  
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I would be pretty confident in it being piloted.  Gotcha. Um cool. Cool. Well, I want to move to  
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another one of your videos that really caught my  attention, and that was your video where you went  
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to look for S4, this kind of mythical location  that Bob Lazar brought forward. And, you know,  
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this this kind of base built into the side of a  mountain and and this is where he says he worked,  
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not at Area 51 itself, but a a location separate  from that. And um you know, some people say that  
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lends more credence to his story, others say it  lends less. Um but you went and looked for it. Um  
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and I found this this video pretty fascinating  cuz as you're going to where S4 supposedly is,  
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you're also telling the story of Bob Lazar and  what sticks, what doesn't. And I loved it. I  
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loved it. It was like two dueling narratives  going on at the same time. And um yeah, yeah,  
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could you maybe uh maybe walk us through  that one a little, Andrew? Um your hunt  
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for S4 and were you successful? Well, yeah.  So, as far as that video goes in particular,  
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I basically just wanted to get to a good viewpoint  where I could I could potentially look at Papoose  
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Lake from an angle that I could see the hillside  where S4 allegedly would be. And unfortunately,  
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there isn't a really close viewpoint where you can  do that. So whereas, you know, viewing Area 51, I  
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can usually get about 26 miles away from the base,  but for viewing Papoose Lake, it's it was more   like I think it was more like 46 miles. So it was  considerably further. So when you're doing that,  
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you obviously have to cut through quite a bit  of atmosphere to take any photos or videos. Um,  
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and it requires a lot of like post-processing  to get a clear image. Um, but you know, I would   consider it a success and that I was able to get  at least an image of Papoose Lake. I you know,  
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I didn't obviously see any physical evidence  of the underground base. Um, I do plan on,  
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you know, potentially doing some subsequent  hikes or subsequent climbs of this mountain   um over a period of time just to see if there is  any activity. But um you know as I yeah as you  
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mentioned you know as I was climbing up this  mountain to get this view I kind of just was   going through um just kind of my thoughts on on  Bob Lazar and the whole S4 thing. And I've I've  
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definitely gone through an evolution on on his  story over the years. I I'd say these days I  
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land a bit more on the skeptical side of things  as far as his story. Um I'm I'm definitely going  
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to watch, you know, the new documentary that's  coming out whenever that comes out. you know,   if it has any any new evidence, I will I will  watch it and I will take it with an open mind.  
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But I, as of now, I kind of struggle a little  bit with his background. Um, as far as some of  
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the things that, you know, I I I kind of know the  the profile of somebody that they would hire for a  
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really secretive role at Area 51. I struggle with  some of the things in his background, you know,  
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fitting that mold because, you know, they really  like to hire people who are extremely stable.  
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They have extremely stable marriages and extremely  stable home lives and they are people that,   you know, that will not talk about it. You know,  I've I've had some conversations with people and  
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we always come to the conclusion that the people  who've truly worked at Area 51, they don't te tell  
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you anything about what they worked on. Like they  are very good at keeping secrets. So I I struggle  
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a little bit with with that. But, you know, as I  said, I'm open to being convinced even if I'm, you  
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know, in the camp of being more on the unconvinced  side currently because I I have been, you know,   I started off very much in the camp of, you know,  I got to know more about Bob Lazar's story. I I  
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was very much intrigued and and everything by his  story, as you know, I think a lot of people were  
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and are still obviously. Um, but as of now, I I  land on the skeptic side. I I really would like  
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to find um independent confirmation of a facility  at Papoose Lake because that would, you know,  
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really really solidify his story in my mind. If if  we could find something that that indicates that  
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there is something at Papoose Lake, that would,  you know, be the that would be really what I need  
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to be 100% convinced. And as of now, I haven't  seen that. You know, I've talked to quite a few uh  
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military historians, like namely uh Peter Merlin.  I don't know if you've heard of him, but he's like   an Area 51 historian. He's not in into UFOs at  all. Uh, but he's done so many deep dives into the  
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whole Nevada test and training range, and he has  not found any evidence of a facility at Papoose  
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Lake. Uh, and separately from that, I've I've  had some conversations with people who um have  
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allegedly been basically right on the hillside  above Papoose Lake where the S4 hangers would be.  
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and supposedly they have walked it and they have  not seen anything you know man-made as far as what   could could be underground infrastructure. Now  that doesn't prove anything but you know it it is  
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evidence you know in that that that camp. So I'm  I'm really I would love to see some independent  
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confirmation of such a facility because man it  would be it would be amazing for his story to be  
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proven correct. I'll say that. You know I just  because I'm unconvinced doesn't mean I'm I'm a   debunker. You know I would I want it to be true.  We'll say that. Absolutely. I'm with you on that.  
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I I changed my mind every day. And uh yeah, you  you mentioned the documentary coming out. Well, we  
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actually are going to have the director Luigi on  the show next week. So, synchronicity. I'm going   to tune in. I'm going to watch it. Yeah. I got to  see him. Yeah. Oh, thanks, man. Thank you. Thank  
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you. But again, like you're out there doing the  work. We can argue on podcasts and documentaries  
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all we want forums but you know you're actually  going out and looking and right now you're not  
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convinced and I think that's where a lot of people  are. So I do look forward to the documentary. Um  
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maybe someday Bob Lazar will testify in front of  Congress. Um but until that day comes Yeah. Yeah.  
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I think I'm with you on that one. Yeah. Yeah.  Let's stay in the Area 51 realm for a little   bit here. We'll move to some other facilities,  too, because I know you're not you're not just a  
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uh a one hit wonder with Area 51. Yeah, I had to  broaden my horizons a little bit, you know? Well,  
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that's the problem, man. Like, everyone knows  about Area 51, so if there were UFOs there,   they've probably moved them a long time ago.  Let's be completely honest, you know? But,  
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um, but it's still worth looking for. And um you  have made friends, I would say, with the camo  
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dudes a few times during your uncanny expeditions.  Now, can you maybe tell us a little bit about who  
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these camo dudes are and um you know, how close  have you gotten to these guys and what do you  
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think they're they're all about? Yeah, so it's  been interesting. You know, it's it's the camo  
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dudes are are very elusive. I'll I'll use that  word because basically their their prerogative  
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is or their you know their method of operation is  they're really never going to interact with you  
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unless you cross the boundary. So they're they're  extremely standoffish. Like they like if you   approach a camo dude in their truck, they're going  to they're going to back away from you. It's it's  
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really interesting. They almost kind of remind  me almost of like video game NPCs. Like they have   like really like predictable like behavior like  in a way like I don't know. It's it's like very  
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it's very very strange. Um but I will say that uh  I have had a few um interactions. So on one of my  
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recent hikes where I climbed a particular hill  uh basically right next to the front gate and   it's it's a hill that not many people climb, but  it actually lets you see the guard shack at the  
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front gate, which normally you can't do. But as I  was climbing that hill, uh the camo dude that was  
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watching us basically like he completely lost it.  He was like honking his horn and like you like I  
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don't know what he was trying to accomplish, but  he was honking his horn, flashing his high beams,   like basically trying to to scare us off from  from climbing this hill. Um obviously, you know,  
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it didn't work. I'm not not one to be intimidated,  but it was kind of interesting how uh yeah, that   was the reaction. Um the other thing is if you  do poke around certain places on the border, they  
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will give you what I call the uh the helicopter  treatment. So, they'll send out um the uh it's  
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it's actually a unique variant of Blackhawk that  only exists at Area 51. There's only four of them  
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in existence and they're all in use at uh Area  51's perimeter security essentially. So, they'll  
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give you really low flyovers and they'll they'll  buzz you, you know, if they they kind of want to   give you a little like, hey, you know, we're we're  watching you. They'll send those helicopters out  
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and uh kind of give you a show, you know. I always  I always like when they send them out because it   makes for a good uh good video clip. Um but uh  yeah, that's that's kind of the most um sort of  
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intimidating thing that they that they do these  days. Um there's been a couple times where I've  
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gotten, you know, a wave. You know, I've gotten a  wave from the camera dudes, which I think it just   kind of depends on who's working. You know, these  are people, too. But some of them are a little bit  
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more friendly, some of them are a little bit more,  you know, agitated. Just kind of depends on their   individual demeanor. I think the the probably  the funniest interaction that I've ever had  
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um actually didn't take place at the Area 51  border, but uh basically I had been out I had been  
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out riding uh my motorcycle around the perimeter  and I had seen the camo dudes from a distance,  
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but I didn't have any particular interactions that  time um until I had gone to Alamo, which is a town  
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about an hour and a half or so from Rachel. and  it's it's where like the Area 51 employee bus  
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parks. A lot of the Area 51 vehicles that aren't  stored on the base are stored in Alamo. So,   I went to uh there's a little burger stand at  a gas station there. I placed my order. I was  
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standing in line. I look out looked to my right  and uh two camo dudes came in the door and got  
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in line right behind me. So, we had just been both  probably been at the border at the same time. But,   uh, I turn around and there's these two camo dudes  just st standing like straight face like right  
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behind me. And, uh, I had to wait for my wait for  my burger. They had to wait for their burger. Uh,   we didn't we didn't talk or make eye contact,  but we were standing, you know, about, you know,  
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two feet apart. And, uh, it was funny. It was a It  was just a really funny experience. I I snapped a  
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little quick picture of him before I left and uh,  yeah, just for the for the memories. But um yeah,   it was just just kind of a funny funny way to to  wrap up that particular trip. You know, we had  
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both been on opposite sides of of the perimeter  and here we are ordering a a burger at the same  
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burger. So burgers bring everyone together, man.  They always do. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. That's surreal  
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cuz like you were doing your job, you know, which  is exploring these sites and and creating content  
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for your channel and they're doing their job  guarding that site. So that I will say that's   surreal. That's surreal. Yeah. I I try not to  uh I try not to go out of my way to to harass  
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these guys or or make enemies with them just  because there there's really no point. I mean,   it it would it would maybe get some clicks, but  I'd rather, you know, kind of have have a mutual  
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respect situation going on. So, like it whenever I  these days will video whether it's a camo dude or  
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another Area 51 employee, I always blur their face  out just because, you know, doxing them really   there's no point. It's only going to cause harass  harassment for them. And it's not like we're going  
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to learn anything more about the base from doing  that. So I I try and I try and make it a point to  
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uh yeah protect their privacy and and anonymity.  So for sure. Yeah. I mean I've interviewed um two  
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individuals who breached the uh the the site and  uh they were they were held at gunpoint. They were  
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given sizable fines and they were never allowed  back anywhere in in like a 100 mile radius of  
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there. So like it's no joke. People have been  shot. People have been killed for breaching  
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those gates. And um yeah, like you said, they're  just doing their job. This is a highly sensitive  
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military base. No matter what you think about UFOs  or the mythology behind Area 51 having anything  
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to do with that, like this is one of the most  highly sensitive areas in all of the world. So,  
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yeah, I respect that. I respect that you respect  what they do. And I have another I have another   story I could I could kind of as a tangent, you  know, we're on the topic of security now. This  
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this didn't happen at Area 51. So, this happened  um on the southern boundary of the Nevada Test and  
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Training Range. So Area 51 is up at the north uh  the northern side of the range. Um so I was at a  
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town called Indian Springs which is right across  from Creech Air Force Base. And Creech Air Force  
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Base uh is a headquarters of an OSI office or  office of special investigations. Um they're  
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um for for viewers who don't know they're a um  an Air Force uh investigative wing. So they'll  
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do like counter intelligence investigation  um things like that. they're they're not   quite like FBI and that and that they don't  have the power to like arrest a civilian,  
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but they'll handle the investigation and and  things like that. So, basically what happened   is is I was at this gas station at Indian Springs.  I had parked. I had gone in, I used the bathroom,  
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I got food, you know, I was in there for maybe 10  minutes. I came out and there was four of these  
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um OSI investigators uh standing at my car. Um,  I didn't obviously know who they were at first,  
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but uh they were uh uh basically four  plain clothes, like business casual dress,  
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uh sidearms. Um, and they uh they were waiting at  my car and uh when I got out there, they uh they   they were asking me questions about my YouTube  channel. Like one of the guys was like, um, oh,  
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you have you have quite a few subscribers now. Um,  and they were asking me questions about like how   much I spend on like camera gear and like they  were really interested in like the night vision  
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stuff and like like how I shot some of the night  vision footage. And this was this was um after I  
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had both shot the triangle video and also after I  had shot the RQ170 at Creech. So I think they were  
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potentially interested in like both of those those  clips. And I I didn't really get into specifics.   Uh I was I kept it polite and friendly and and  everything but you know I didn't have to answer  
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questions uh legally. Uh, so I I, you know, I I  didn't go into specifics that I didn't have to,  
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but it was it was a really interesting experience  and it was one of those things like I I know my  
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plate like popped on a plate reader like as soon  as I got into town and they decided to basically   meet me at the gas station right there. So that  was that was one of those experiences where it's  
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like people ask me if I think they're they're  watching me and following me. It's like yes, I can   say without a doubt 100% that they are. I thought  I'd thought I'd relate that little encounter also.  
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Well, hey, now it's on the record. You've got  some insurance, man. Right there. It's on the   record. Yeah, if they if they do kick in  my door, you know, we'll we'll see. But,  
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um, it's it is interesting. There there have been  cases where people haven't broken the law and they  
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have had had their doors kicked in. Um, a friend  of mine, Yorg, that I'm I've talked about earlier,   it happened to him. We see flying over  Rachel quite frequently. Yorg Arnu,  
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a naturalized citizen, has devoted much of his  life to understanding the base. His website,  
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dreamland resort.com, is a clearing house for all  things 51, including photos and videos of the base  
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and anything flying above it. Arnu owns a home  in Las Vegas, but bought a place in tiny Rachel,  
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Nevada, so he could be close to the action.  I came to this country because I love this  
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country and I became a citizen to support  this country. I would never do anything to   hurt this country. But I don't understand what is  going on right now. Arnu is not anti-government,  
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not even anti-secre. He says he's always  been careful to screen out content that   might cross the line and expose something that  is legitimately classified. But on November 3rd,  
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he learned the hard way that something on  his site had apparently gone too far. More   than a dozen agents from the FBI and Air Force OSI  smashed through his gate, broke through his door,  
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and stormed into his home. I'm asking, "Okay,  what is going on? What are you doing in my house?"  
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um to which I just I'm looking basically at this  point at a riot shield and a gun that was drawn  
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and pointed at me and an agent uh in a stern voice  giving me commands to turn around, hands against  
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the wall. Uh he then proceeded to yank my hands  pretty violently back uh handcuff me very tight.  
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I mean it really hurt. I got the message that  hey these guys are serious. Arnu was held outside   while agents searched the home. He was given a few  pages from a search warrant that was more than 40  
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pages long. Most of the warrant remains sealed, he  says, including what he presumes is an explanation  
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of what the agents wanted. As it is right now, I  have no clear understanding what I'm being charged  
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with or why my property was se was seized.  my various computers, three or four laptops,  
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cell phones, memory sticks, uh backup drives, my  camera equipment that is worth almost $10,000,  
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my drone, everything was taken. Uh I was presented  with a list of items that were taken, but not with  
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a reason why they were taken. At the same time,  another team of more than a dozen agents kicked  
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in the door of his Las Vegas residence, roused  and detained his girlfriend, and then conducted  
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another vigorous search. And I I know a lot of the  specifics of his case, and it's it's very it it  
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scares me a little bit because they basically they  actually lied to a judge and fabricated evidence  
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in their raid. I I know that for a fact. And so  if if they can do that in one case, they could   potentially do that in another case as well. So  that it's it's one reason I I like to be I guess  
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really public about what I do is, you know, I  think it does give you a little bit more security   as far as uh I feel like I may be harder to mess  with if everything I do is just out there in the  
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open. Yeah, for sure. Not that I expect that  to happen necessarily, but worst case scenario,  
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you know. Yep. Yep. Exactly. Exactly. And yeah,  I remember when uh your house got raided and they  
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damaged things. They never returned stuff. Like  they didn't pay for any of the repairs on N on  
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stuff. Like it's it's troubling. It is troubling,  man. It's crazy. Um well, speaking of York,  
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I I'd love to move to another kind of big thing  that made it into the news that you explored. I  
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know York did as well. You guys even did a little  crossover on your channels about this incident.  
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And that was back in October of 2025 when there  was a a UAP quote unquote crash out near Area 51.  
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And in your video, you actually found some stuff  out there, man. So, can you tell us a little about  
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this whole incident, what you know about it,  and uh where you stand on some of that today,  
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if that's Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So, it was one of  those one of those instances where I uh I actually  
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wasn't near Area 51 when it happened. I was I  was out filming um I think one of my Helenale  
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videos at the time and I saw the news uh news  reports um and basically it just sounded like  
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it was kind of a normal uh UAV crash at first  uh based on the radio traffic that I'd heard.  
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And um as as time went on, it kind of started to  get a little bit more unusual as far as what the  
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uh the response to the crash was. So basically  immediately afterwards, there was um there was  
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the Area 51 security, the camo dudes, they they  actually locked locked down the whole area. So   all the dirt roads, you know, the road to the  front gate, the roads, all the little side roads,  
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they were standing there with assault rifles  basically locking the whole place down, which I   had never seen before. And uh if the the narrative  that this was just kind of a run-of-the-mill drone  
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that had taken off from Creech Air Force Base was  true, you would have had uh like air regular Air  
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Force security from Creech up there monitoring the  crash site, not the Area 51 security. So that kind  
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of was what first hit me off that like, okay, this  was probably something that, you know, took off  
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from Area 51 in my opinion and um was something  a little bit more unusual than just like an MQ9  
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Reaper, which is kind of the standard backbone of  the the drone arsenal. Um, so after I I made it  
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out there, um, I I kind of did some poking around  and I had seen Yorg's, uh, live stream and, uh, he  
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had gone to the staging area, um, where the where  the the crash, uh, recovery personnel were. Um,  
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but as far as I know, I I was actually the first  person to get to the actual impact site where the   the burned grass and burned Joshua trees were. So,  I I had filmed a little bit around there um, off  
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and on for like the course of, you know, three or  four days. And then I went back and um I brought  
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my metal detector out there and uh metal detected  the crash site and was able to pull quite a few  
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pieces of um aluminum uh some different components  that I'm not entirely sure what the material was,  
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but kind of like a carbon carbon fiber weave type  of a thing. Um, and yeah, I I basically dug up  
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what I could. And interestingly, the Air Force uh  put out a statement. Um, I think it was actually  
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just before I had gone out to the crash site,  basically saying that like they had they were   making a claim that somebody had been tampering  with the crash site. It's a really weird claim  
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when you break it down because they were accusing  somebody of planting aircraft wreckage that did  
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not belong to the aircraft at the crash site. But  if anybody had been doing the planting, it would  
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have been the Air Force. So like it was almost  like a statement that was deliberately put out   just to deter people from poking around the crash  site being like, "Hey, you know, we're looking  
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into this. We're monitoring it. Don't don't  go out there." Um it was it was really really  
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strange the way it was worded. Um and I will say  that I do believe that wreckage was planted at the  
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site. Um I don't believe all the wreckage that I  recovered was from what actually went down. Um I  
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I do think that there was an attempt to basically  disguise it and obviously they they also brought  
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in dirt and covered it up uh because most of the  burned section of the ground was like completely   filled in and it was pretty deep. You know there  was several feet of dirt uh before you know I was  
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able to dig down and get to uh to where it was  actually charred. So you know they trucked in  
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dirt, they they planted wreckage that was from  another aircraft. uh th those things, you know,  
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they both point to it being a uh a classified  uh test from I believe it took off from Area  
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51. Uh there was there's been cases in the past  of of wreckage being planted. You know, I think  
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in some maybe some famous UFO cases, but I know  for sure in uh aircraft testing, uh some of the  
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the F-17 uh crash sites when it was in the early  testing phase, they would bring out, you know,  
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like F-14 or F-15 wreckage and scatter it around  just in case uh you know, people like me were were  
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out there hunting for wreckage, they would kind of  get thrown off the the trail. That's interesting.   It makes you go all the way back to 47 and is that  what they did with Rodwell as well? You know, the  
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old tinfoil weather balloon theory. Yeah. I never  Now, what would you say was like the circumference  
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of the impact site if you had to guess, Anders?  Like, are we talking something big or like a a  
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Reaper drone of some? I don't even know how big  a Reaper drone is. Are these things big or what?  
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How big do you think this thing was that crashed  there? if you had to make a huge sweeping guess,  
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I guess. So, I think it was actually pretty  small. So, the the actual impact site,  
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it it was pretty small. It was maybe only like I  mean the the as far as like the burned area where  
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like the fireball consumed and everything, it was  probably only like 50 feet. Like it was it was   not very big. And the aircraft itself would have  been quite a bit smaller than that. That's just  
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the area that had been damaged in the impact. And  there wasn't really like a big scar where it had   like hit the ground and like traveled, you know,  pretty far before it exploded. Like it looked like  
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it basically went straight down into the ground  and, you know, blew up from there. So I would say  
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it was probably something smaller than a Reaper  by a little bit in my opinion. So a Reaper has a  
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wingspan of like 66 feet. Um, the RQ70 was quite a  bit smaller. It was more like maybe like 30 to 40  
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tops. So, I think it was probably something more  RQ170 sized if I had to guess, which um you know,  
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it could also be it was like an RQ70 or RQ80  because those are both, you know, drones that are  
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still they're acknowledged, but they're kind of  the the exact details about them are still pretty   pretty secretive. Um, and they could have been  potentially carrying like a classified payload  
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um that they that they wanted to cover up too.  So, that is another potential option. But um yeah,  
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as far as the size goes, smaller than you would  probably expect, for sure. Yeah. Well, I mean,  
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that alone gives some clarity. So, I appreciate  that. Of course, you know, us UFO people, we hear  
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UFO crash, Area 51, and we're freaking out, but  it's good. It's good to kind of like bring this  
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back to reality and be like, I mean, there was  still a cover up, which is very mysterious. Um,  
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but but yeah, you also gave some good reasons as  to why that might be. And a payload. I didn't even  
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think about that. Like that wasn't even, you know,  when the Chinese spy balloons were were found,   it wasn't even the fact that it was a spy balloon.  It was, well, what's the payload? What's in this  
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thing? Um, which was more important. So, yeah,  that makes sense. That makes sense. And you know,   we we are pretty sure that whatever it was was  unmanned just be I mean obviously it could have  
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been a manned man manned plane that went down  but based on the the radio traffic and the fact   that there weren't like uh like medical you  know personnel there and stuff like that I  
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think it can be pretty conclusive that whatever  went down was in fact unmanned. So I I want to  
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sort of move to modernday euphology. Is that  cool? Oh yeah. Yeah. So, you know, a lot of  
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the news lately has to do with congressional UFO  hearings and um legacy UFO programs. You know,  
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UFOs have crashed and they're being reverse  engineered at, you know, secret sites like the  
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ones you explore and whatnot. Um, and right now,  uh, Representative Eric Berlinson in the United  
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States ha actually visited the first location of  possibly one of these stored UFOs. Um, I he has  
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plans to go Yeah. plans to go to more of them. Um,  there's even rumors that there's UFOs that have,  
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you know, been found that are so big that instead  of moving them to a location, they built buildings  
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around it to study it, which is just crazy. So,  I guess my my question for you then, Andrew, is  
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um, where do you think Eric Berlin should go?  Where do you think they should be looking for  
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these sorts of things? I mean, it seems like  at this point, Area 51 is so played out. Um,  
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but what are some of these other locations do you  think could possibly house something exotic? Uh,  
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possibly nonhuman. I don't even want to say alien  at this point, but yeah. Is there anywhere you  
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think they should really be focusing their efforts  and let's be honest their their resources and  
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money because there's money going into these um  these expeditions by Congress members as it were.  
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Yeah. You know, I if the claims are true that a  lot of this kind of stuff is kind of buried in  
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uh private uh private corporations, private  defense contractors, I think a good place to try  
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and go or good places to try and go would be some  of these private aerospace facilities like in the  
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Analopee Valley in Southern California. Um places  like the, you know, the the Helenale uh radar  
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cross-section test site. Um there's also uh plant  42 which is in Palmdale, California and that's the  
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the skunk works headquarters. So if Loheed Martin  uh potentially had some technology that they're  
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kind of keeping away from from oversight, I think  uh plant 42 would be a great place to to start. Um  
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yeah, beyond that, you know, uh Dougway Proving  Ground is kind of kind of a place that's been  
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been floated quite a bit over the last few years.  that's out in Utah. Um, I haven't actually done I'  
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I've been there. I haven't actually done a video  on it yet for my channel. I plan on doing it this  
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year. Um, so hopefully uh hopefully that'll pan  out. It's it's another really big uh test range  
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essentially uh kind of like the Nevada Test  Site is or Nevada Test and Training Range, but  
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um there's there's a lot of places out there where  you could potentially potentially hide stuff. So,  
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um, those those are kind of what comes to mind  off the top of my head. Um, there's obviously,  
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you know, I don't know if anything would still be  at like Wright Patterson, but that's, you know,  
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historically a place where potentially there would  be stuff. Um, I know what was it, the Pax River,  
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uh, Naval Air, uh, station. That was something  that I forget who mentioned it recently,  
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but somebody recently, you might know, said that  that was a there was a hanger there. Uh that is  
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supposedly Yeah, that is supposedly where Eric  Berlinson visited was Pax River. Representative  
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Burlson, thanks for joining us. We don't have much  time, so let's jump right to it. You recently took   a field trip to Pax River. Can you tell us what  your expectations were going in, and then can  
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you describe the trip and what you saw? You know  guys, I I can't really I have not publicly said  
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that that that I've taken the trip to Pax River  at this time. And so, okay, um I'm being extremely  
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cautious about where I've gone so far because  um but I have gone to a facility. I've gone to  
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a location um that is the first on you know on  the on a list of hopefully many locations and I  
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and what I'm trying to do is not jeopardize um you  make the you not jeopardize for future trips and  
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and but believe me at the end of this I will be  making making it public very public. Oh, is that  
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where? Okay. So, yeah, it was brought forward by I  believe Lou Alzando at one point. Um, it it dates  
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back even to like the Robert Biglo days when he  was doing his stuff in Skinwalker Ranch and OAP  
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where he had this facility built to actually house  a UFO and something was being transferred there  
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um that he was going to study and the CIA  uh put a halt on all of that. So again,  
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this is all rumor, innuendo, things that have  never been uh proven. They've been documented,  
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but documented is not proof. So, I I there's  a lot of mythology with Pax River right now at  
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least. And I think there are probably places too  that that basically have not actually been been  
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talked about at all. Like I I do believe that  there are some like operating locations out in   really remote parts of the desert southwest that  that aren't on basically anybody's radar. Uh,  
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so I think there could potentially be places  like that worth worth checking out. Like I've   I've heard of some places potentially in New  Mexico um that you know people have, you know,  
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seen uh I know somebody who uh has seen some  interesting things like in northern New Mexico  
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that uh could be be related. Um and also just even  even in Nevada like in the the NTR, it's Area 51  
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is like such a small part of the NTR. Uh it's  it's one little area in this massive land area  
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that takes up almost like all of central Nevada.  So there's there's places that are like further in  
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um inside the NTR that you could potentially hide  stuff uh even better than you could at Area 51.  
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Uh like I I know for a fact there's underground  facilities in a place called Area 12. Um there's  
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also the um there's a place called Area 6 that  is is really interesting in my opinion. It's  
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uh it's a place that I haven't ever been able  to find a mountain where I can get a clear view   of. Um there I'm going to try a few more places  down the line, but uh you can potentially see the  
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airspace from public, but the actual facilities  are extremely well hidden. And Loheed Martin  
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operates the facility at area 6. So, that is a  place that I I really would like uh somebody with  
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access like whether it's Eric Berles or somebody  else, I would love for them to go there and uh I  
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would love to ask them about it if they if they  know what's going on there because it's uh yeah,   there there's there's a bunch of weirdness with  with Area 6 as far as how it was constructed. Like  
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they didn't go through the normal approval process  that a lot of facilities normally go through. So,   like normally there's like a public comment  period. There's like basically like an  
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environmental assessment like the normal like  construction process when you build a military   base. They bypassed like basically all of that  and it just like appeared on satellite photos  
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one day. It's super strange. Yeah. So it's Do  you think it's called the Yuck Yaka Air Strip  
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is another name for it. Uh but it's inside area.  Yeah. Do do you think Anders that's because it's  
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Loheed Martin like a private aerospace weapons  company? Is that why they were able to sort of  
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bypass sort of the military uh permissions? I I  don't know how that sort of stuff works. I'm sure  
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that that played a part in it, but they they they  were still, to my knowledge, supposed to kind of  
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go through the same process because it's built  on it's built on um NNSS property. So, that's  
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Nevada National Security Site. So, it's actually  Department of Energy property um that the section   of the the area that that it's built on. So, like  there should have been basically public record of  
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its construction that uh that that they were able  to bypass. Um, and yeah, I just I just find the  
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whole whole area there super interesting because  it's it's very very hard to spot and we just we  
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really don't know what's going on there. Um, I've  I've heard things floated about UAV testing. Um,  
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whatever it is, it's something they really  want to keep under wraps. Well, under wraps,   you mentioned the Department of Energy. That's  like the big boogeyman in the UFO world. They they  
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they apparently have no oversight and they don't  answer to anyone. So that's that's a conversation  
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for another time, man. For sure. Um well, I uh  I've just got two more personal questions for  
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you and then I've got a couple listener questions  if you're cool sticking around for those. Oh yeah,   I'm thrilled for sure. Awesome. Awesome. And  then we'll move over to over to Patreon. Um  
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this is like an interrogation, man. Marathon  interrogation. Oh no, I love it, man. It's great.  
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Oh, cool. Well, thank you. Thank you for your  time. Um, have you ever been restricted or like  
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threatened not to publish one of your videos or  content of yours or have you had like your film  
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confiscated or anything like that? Any weird  stories in terms of stuff like that? Yeah. So,  
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let's see here. I wouldn't say that I've I've  been directly told not to publish something. Um,  
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I've definitely had things happen where I'll put  like a little teaser image out like particularly  
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I think the first instance of this was after I  published a Lockheed uh skunk works photo. Uh,   I've had people, you know, in my DMs threatening  me like saying like I I should be, you know,  
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executed for treason and, you know, all kind of  ridiculous stuff like that. like those definitely  
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flare flare up like as far as the random messages  every time I post something that's kind of you   know a little bit you know crossing the line I  wouldn't say crossing the line but like up to  
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the line of you know actually posting something  interesting you know I I feel like I always get  
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those kind of messages but um after I uh after I  did the uh the video on the Tahhon Ranch facility  
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I won't go into like the exact specifics but I  have I was reached out to by some individuals  
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with connections to that place and was basically  told not to do what I had been planning on doing  
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in a follow-up video because it would potentially  endanger my safety. Um, I I I'll I'll say that it  
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wasn't like a a threat. It was more of like a like  a warning like looking out for my for my safety uh   from these these people. And I can't necessarily  verify all the the claims that they made, but  
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um I am still in contact with some of these people  to this day. And um there will be some follow-up  
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videos about about the Tahhon Ranch facility u  that I plan on making where I hope I can either  
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sort of confirm or debunk some of the things that  I have been told about that place because it end  
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it ended up being one of the more interesting  uh places that I've explored. Um, it's it's it's  
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basically for viewers who don't know, it's it's a  place that's that's long been in UFO rumors, but  
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it's it's a private uh aerospace facility that's  supposedly abandoned uh now, but it was formerly  
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run by by Northrup Grumman. And um yeah, now it's  kind of in a weird weird limbo state. But yeah,  
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that's that's the closest thing I could say to  some somebody telling me not to publish something.   It was more like, hey, don't go back and and do  what you were going to do in a follow-up video.  
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So, but I've I've decided to play play the  follow-up a little bit more cautious than I was   going to. Um, and and basically what yeah, what  the follow-up will involve is is a little bit more  
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long-term monitoring of the place to see if I can  can prove that it's not in fact abandoned as as  
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they claim. So, Oh, interesting. Yeah, something  might still be going on. Okay. Well, the claim is  
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that that there's still something going on there.  Like, you know, lots of people have done videos.   Gerb Gerb's talked about it. Uh I'm sure you know  his his work. Uh but he he's talked about this  
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facility and uh yeah, I would actually I I hope to  actually do a collaboration with him maybe on this  
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on this facility. Um because I I do think there's  I do think there's some weirdness there that has  
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at least happened um between 2011 and 2020 because  it was supposedly abandoned in 2011. And I I have  
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some pretty credible evidence that there was  some secret stuff going on there after 2011. So,  
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you know, who knows? We'll we'll see what happens.  But Awesome, man. Oh, you and UAP Gerb. That's  
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a that's a crossover. I'm definitely looking  forward to it happen. He's a super busy guy,  
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but but we've talked a few times and whether it's  there or like somewhere out at Dougway. Like he   he's one of the few people like in the UFO world  who's like really doing these like incredibly  
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detailed like breakdowns of like how a reverse  engineering uh program or multiple programs could  
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work. And I think it would be super interesting  to to do a collab with him. So I'll say that we'll  
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make it happen. We're manifesting it right here.  UAP. Everyone go tag UAP Gerb on this episode on  
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social media. We'll link them in the show notes.  Well, let's make it happen. Let's make it happen,   guys. Awesome. Awesome. Anders, I got um  some listener questions for you here. Um  
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our listeners are dying to know from you. Um our  Patreon subscribers, they actually get priority  
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to ask questions, so they get put first in line.  Um, and Rebecca over on Patreon, Rebecca G asks,  
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um, Ross Kolart reported that there is a non-human  craft so large that it's unable to be moved. We  
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did mention this earlier. Um, so a structure has  been built over the top of it in order to hide it  
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from the public. The structure is a facility that  is used by people who aren't even aware of what's  
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underneath them. Do you know where this location  is? And have you been there? Well, no and no and  
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no, but uh I know a lot of people say that it's  that place in South Korea uh that has the large  
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circular structure. I don't know if I'm convinced  of that because I've I've seen people pull up  
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uh basically facilities that are are for the same,  you know, stated purpose and having a big round  
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structure like that isn't really like out of the  norm for that kind of a thing. Um there's there's  
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another place that I' I've seen floated but not as  often and that's uh that place in Utah, the Desert  
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Research Center. Um have you heard of that, Ryan?  It's a No, it's basically Yeah, it's it's this  
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this um I don't know who actually runs it, whether  it's like the the Forest Service or like the uh  
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the Department of the Interior, but basically it's  like a it's a place where other people in the past   have claimed that there's a UFO buried. I think  John Lear was the first person to ever say that  
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a UFO was buried there. And obviously, you got to  kind of take everything he said with a grain of   salt. You know, some some things, you know, could  be true, but a lot of things were like really out  
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of left field with John Leer. So, I do actually  plan on going out to the the Desert Research   Center and poking around a little bit because  what's interesting there is there's like a little  
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culde-sac of houses basically built in a circle  just kind of like in the middle of nowhere. And  
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uh I think somebody I think it was Linda Molton  How how that uh photographed it like ages ago  
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like I want to say in like the early 2000s and  it was interesting cuz they were all in like this   really like rundown like semi-abandoned state but  there was like brand new like solar panels around  
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the area. Um so it at least looked like it was  interesting to poke around and kind of just see  
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what's up. Um but I don't know if that's where  uh Ross Colart was making his claims about. Uh,  
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but it's it's another place that I know at least  somebody has made a similar claim in the past for  
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interesting. I I have never scribbled so many  notes during a a live interview before. This is  
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awesome, man. Thank you. Thanks. Hey, Desert  Research Center. I'm looking forward to that  
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video, too, when you go there. Awesome. Uh, our  next question here on Patreon comes from Haruto M  
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uh from uh Japan. Actually, this is pretty cool.  Um, if some sort of government agency or military  
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general or someone offered uh to bring you, sorry,  language barrier here. If some sort of government  
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agency or military general offered to bring you  inside the most secretive base in America to show  
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you what they have, but you could never report  on it or share publicly or privately with anyone,  
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would you do it? I would have to say yes. Um, I,  you know, it's it's not something where I would  
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have to to deceive people necessarily, but if I  could just not talk about it, I would I would say  
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yeah, just cuz I think that would be worth it just  to know for my own curiosity and my own uh yeah,  
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experience. I don't think I could I don't think  I could pass up such an opportunity. If if if it  
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was if it was something where I had like they told  me that I would have to go out and lie about what   I saw there, that would maybe be a different  different question. Like if I had to go like  
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spread misinformation, I I would have a lot more  of an ethical qual with with saying yes to that.  
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But if I had if I just had to keep it to myself,  I I I might have to to do it. That's fair. That's  
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fair. Yeah. Um cool. Our last listener question  here comes from um Shephard J on Facebook and  
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he asks, "How often, Anders, have you run into  people looking for UFOs out there?" Um, also,  
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what is the most bizarre UFO story you've heard  about involving Area 51? Um, let's see. So, as  
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far as running into people out there UFO hunting,  it's it's not something that actually happens a  
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ton. So, there there's definitely been a handful  of times where I've run into people. And sometimes  
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I actually, especially these days more and more,  I uh I get recognized out there. So somebody will   either see my bus or see me from a distance and  come over specifically to talk to me or camp with  
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me and stuff be like, "Hey, you know, I love  your channel and stuff like that." So I' I've   definitely had that had that happen out there. But  it's it's such a spread out area and you know, you  
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see people go out there a lot, but it's weird like  the odds of actually running into somebody out   there I found to be kind of slim just because it's  such a huge area that we're talking about. And you  
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know, I don't spend a ton of time just hanging out  like at the gates anymore. like I'm usually more  
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like out in a little bit more of a remote area.  So, it's it's not something that happens as often.  
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Um, what was the second part of the question?  Whether it was like or what uh UFO encounters? Oh,  
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yeah. I've heard about it. Yeah. Have you heard  any like super bizarre really out there UFO cases  
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or has come across anything that he's shared  with you or Yeah. Yeah. Any any tales from  
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the desert? um that really involve things that  might not be conventional aircraft. I know that's  
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a hard question to answer, but there's there's  like honestly I get so many uh reports uh from  
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different places out in the desert like uh from  fans or viewers who who've told me about things   they saw. So, just to kind of like maybe narrow it  down to like a couple uh recent ones specifically  
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about uh the NTR or uh like near Area 51. Um there  was a guy who uh he told me about a time when he  
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saw a giant black cube hovering over a spot inside  the NTR. And uh this is somebody who he he told me  
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he he he came up to me actually uh when I was  out doing a video um at one of these places   and he told me that he had previously worked at a  location inside the NTR and he had been stationed  
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uh where he had been stationed. He saw, like I  said, this giant cube structure and apparently   like six or seven other people uh that were  with him were also able to to see this and it it  
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basically kind of drifted over their installation  and drifted away um silently without any apparent,  
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you know, conventional propulsion. So, you know,  I I uh I don't know what to make of something  
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like that. It could be could be something exotic  for sure. You know, we we just don't know. Um,  
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I've I've heard a lot of people also tell me about  uh just just different odd lights in the sky, you   know, making movements that wouldn't be consistent  with what you would consider a conventional  
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aircraft. In fact, I'd say that's probably what  most of the UFO sightings out there are. It's   kind of like a distant light, but, you know,  it might move in a way that's unusual. And my  
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own my own sightings out there near Area 51, um,  like I mentioned earlier where it was, you know,  
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it looked like a satellite and it made a sudden 90  degree turn. I'd say those are relatively common  
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um out there. Relatively in that, you know, I've  at least had, you know, a few people tell me about  
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it. So, awesome, man. Well, um I guess in closing  for the main feed here, uh for our listeners,  
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um is there anything else you can really tease?  You did kind of tease some of the stuff you got  
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coming up, places you'd want to go and whatnot.  Um, but any videos uh coming up in the next few  
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weeks that you can kind of uh preview for us here  or are you just hard at work editing right now?  
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I I know that feeling too. No, I'll uh yeah, I'll  I'll tease definitely a little bit. So, um, what I  
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have been filming the last couple of weeks, and I  I'm now going to be moving into editing is, uh, a  
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little bit of exploring around, uh, the China Lake  facility, uh, which is, for those who don't know,   it's basically a Navy test range. Like, you could  almost consider it like the Navy's Area 51. It's  
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a little bit different, but, um, there was there's  a particular place like on the northern perimeter   of China Lake that I've been camping out. And  um yeah, so I uh I plan to do a little bit more  
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documentation of that area. So look look for that  in the future. Um a little further down the line,  
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uh this is a place that gets requested quite a  bit and uh that's Doulce, New Mexico. So that's  
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everybody knows about the stories there, I'm  sure. I'm I'm not convinced of the whole like   Phil Schneider narrative side of things. Um, and  I haven't fully decided how I want to approach  
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this area as far as as far as the video, but I  do want to do a video there this year and kind of  
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just poke around and uh share some of my thoughts  because I actually do I am of the opinion that  
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there was uh some sort of military activity  there. you know, I don't know exactly what   they were testing, but there are some researchers  researchers who've who've come to that conclusion,  
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you know, without necessarily, you know, going  into the the underground alien alien firefight  
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side of things. Um, I don't necessarily I'm not  fully down that rabbit hole, but I do want to I  
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do want to cover that area and, you know, see see  what we can find out there. Awesome, man. Doulce  
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and China Lake. I'm in. I'm in. I cannot wait. I  can't wait. Um, Anderson, what do you hope people  
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will take away from your channel? Like, what is it  that you really want? Uh, is there like a message  
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you want to send out to people about why you're  doing this? What really drives you? And what you  
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hope people will take away when they inevitably  subscribe to your channel. Oh, yeah. Well, um,  
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I guess overall the, uh, the overarching theme  that I, I explore is just kind of the mystery  
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surrounding these facilities. And I'm a big fan of  the desert. I I see a lot of beauty in the desert.  
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And I try and kind of juxtapose the the incredible  beauty of some of these remote places with the  
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fact that there's like this really secretive  military-industrial complex operating here at the  
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same time. And I try and kind of show that that  interesting dichotomy. And you know, if we can  
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if we can document, you know, whether it's UFOs,  whether it's experimental aircraft, uh whether   it's, you know, just just parts of these bases  that haven't been filmed before, that's my goal.  
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You know, you know, we're we're not necessarily I  don't necessarily go out to like to hunt for UFOs,  
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but it's a it's a part of this kind of wider  net that I'm casting, I guess you could say. Um,  
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awesome, man. Well, again, we're going to put  links in the show notes to your channel. Um,   people have been watching some of the videos as  this episode has been going here on YouTube and  
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Spotify video. Again, if you're just listening,  head on over to YouTube, head on over to Spotify  
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video, watch some of these beautiful landscapes  that Anders has captured and some really uplose  
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images and video of uh things that probably  we were never meant to see. Um, it's awesome,  
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man. Where can we find your YouTube channel?  Uncanny Expeditions. Obviously on YouTube,  
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but give us the link. And again, we'll put it in  the show notes as well. And yeah, where can we   keep up with everything that you're up to, Anders?  Yeah. Yeah. So, the the biggest platform obviously  
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is YouTube. So, YouTube.com Uncanny Expeditions,  I believe, is the URL. Um, I'm also pretty big on  
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uh Instagram as well. I do post post on there and  I respond to quite a few messages on there if you   have a have a question or something you want to  share. Uh that's Uncanny Expeditions on Instagram.  
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Instagram.comyexpeditions. Um I'm on X as well.  I don't post on there as often uh but every now  
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and then. Um that's uncanny X. That's uh ex on  um on X. It's kind of a mouthful. Um but yeah,  
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that's uh that's where folks can find me. You  can also email me uncanny expeditionsp.mme and  
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it is a proton mail uh email address. So if if  anybody has anything interesting to share that   they want to share on an encrypted platform uh  that is a way to do that as well. And I've had  
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people ask for my signal link um if you email me  and want want a signal link to to share stuff I   have that available too. So perfect. I I love  what you're doing out there. I'm wishing you  
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all the luck in the world. Be safe out there.  Um, if you want guys, head on over to Patreon  
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where Anders is going to go through a couple more  of the locations that he's visited, some of the  
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experiences he had there. I'm going to ask him  about his favorite UFO cases that are out there,  
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and also if he's had any other paranormal or  unexplained things happen in his life. So,  
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head on over to Patreon if you want to hear  that exclusive episode. patreon.com/somears  
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skies. Link is in the show notes as well. But  for now, we'll leave it there. And um yeah,  
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this has been fascinating, Andrew. So, thank you.  Thank you so much for joining us. Appreciate it.