On this episode of Somewhere in the Skies, we're  joined by filmmaker Luigi Fentatelli. We have  
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real, verifiable, reproducible evidence that is  a 100%. 100%. I'm I I I'm saying this publicly  
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that proves something Bob Lazar said in 1989  that there would be no [ __ ] way in hell that  
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he would have known that or any of us would  have known that in 1989. And it is impossible  
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to argue. It's tangible. It's verifiable. It  wasn't leaked to us. It's public. We discovered  
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it through public. It's going to clearly  make a lot of noise because if he was lying,
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there's no way he would have known this. No way.  
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Luigi breaks down his year-long collaboration  with Bob Lazar and the creation of his film S4:  
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The Bob Lazar story. From becoming the youngest  Muon member ever to working alongside researchers  
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tied to the aerial school incident, Luigi  shares how a lifelong obsession with UFOs  
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led him to one of the most controversial figures  in the field and ultimately inside Lazar's world.  
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Luigi reveals how he worked directly with Lazar  to reconstruct the alleged S4 facility in extreme  
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detail, building a full 3D environment of  the hangers, corridors, propulsion lab,  
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and even the surrounding Papoose Lake landscape.  He recounts how Lazar began remembering new  
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details during the process and describes powerful  moments where Lazar was visibly shaken after  
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virtually walking through the recreation that  aligns with Lazar's 1989 statements as well  
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as the intense push back he faced including legal  demands for his private communications with Lazar  
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with modern whistleblowers echoing Lazar's claims  about reverse reverse engineering programs. This  
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episode dives deep into whether Lazar's story is  finally being validated and what this new film S4:  
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The Bob Lazar story could reveal next.  But before we get to that conversation,  
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I want to send a special thanks and shout  out to our brand new Patreon subscribers,  
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the Skies on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. It truly  helps us gain visibility and find new curious  
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minds. Head on over to Apple Podcasts and Spotify  and rate and review today. But for right now,  
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let's learn more about S4: The Bob Lazar story  with its creator and director, Luigi Ventitelli.
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While our government's official position  is not to speculate on this subject,   we can choose to let our minds explore other  possibilities, to use our imaginations. For if  
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we consider that astrocientists agree on one point  that the possibility of life elsewhere is not only  
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quite probable, some feel it is there without  a doubt. Let us suppose then that these objects  
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are real space vehicles extraterrestrial  origin and not an illusion of the mind.
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This is somewhere in the skies with Ryan Sprag.
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Welcome to Somewhere in the Skies and a first time  welcome to our guest today, Luigi. Thank you so  
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much for joining us on Somewhere in the Skies.  Thank you, Ryan. It's great to be here. Now, you  
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and I have been in this field for a while, man.  We were talking off air about what has changed in  
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the decades that we have been studying UFOs. But  if there's one thing that hasn't changed for me,  
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it is the story of Bob Lazar. One of the most  consistent stories in Euphology, one that I have  
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followed for a really long time. Obviously, you  have as well. We're going to talk all about your  
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uh your upcoming film that's coming out, S4, the  Bob Lazar story. But that is a story in itself.  
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The the journey that this project has had, right?  Hell of a story. Yeah. Yeah. Um before we get to  
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that though, man, for any of our our viewers, our  listeners who may be unfamiliar with your work,  
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um let's catch them up. Can you kind of  give us your your background? What what   got you interested in UFOs, the origin story?  I know you probably told this a million times,  
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but um I'll try to make sure. Yeah,  right. The cliffnotes version. Um,  
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but I was reading this today. You hold the record  for something in Muon as well. In terms of that,  
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can you tell us about that? That was back in  87 or 80. I'm never I I can't find my original  
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uh letter because I I have a letter. I have all my  other letters, but I can't find the original. So,  
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it's either late 87 or early 1988. I found  out about Muon. I was in Canada. I was really  
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interested in flying saucers. I was interested in  flying saucers because my grandfather had seen a  
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flying saucer. So as you know I'm Italian born  Italian Catholic very traditional very religious  
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family that I had in my upbringing also grew up  part of my life in Rome and that was not a topic  
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of conversation in the family let alone in the  community. Nobody talks about flying saucers. My  
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grandfather being very traditional who kept saying  he saw a flying saucer caught my attention as a  
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kid and I remember you know he was like a a very  important person in my life. I considered him to  
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be probably one of the the foundational people of  how I became what what I've become in my life. And  
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I said he doesn't lie. He wasn't he was he wasn't  a liar. He wasn't a person. He wasn't somebody who   ever wanted to have attention. and he's very  low-key and and he kept insisting that he had  
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seen a flying saucer. So, it got my attention.  I got so interested that I wanted to find out   everything about them and here in Montreal. I  was living in Montre born born in Montreal. Um,  
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and I couldn't find anything about flying  saucers back then, especially like early 80s. So,  
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I was I thought if I buy a bunch of astronomy or  space books, I'll find out about aliens, which was  
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false. you you all your all your reading is about  planets and stuff. And I eventually found out that  
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there was an organization called Muon. I think my  my mom drove me and my sister and my grandmother.  
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I remember from Montreal. There's a place called  Platsburg, New York. It's not too far away. So we  
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we drove to Platsburg, New York. And at the time,  the mall in Platsburg, New York was really cool.  
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Like they had all these stores that we didn't have  in Montreal. So, we always wanted to go there just   to buy stuff that we could get in America that  you couldn't get in Canada, you know. And so,  
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I remember something, I don't remember where I  saw it, but I remember I saw something about Mufon   there. So, I took it back with me to Montreal and  I and I sent them like the application and all  
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that. And and when they responded, I received a  letter and it was from a guy called Walt Andress,  
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which was the head of Mufon at the time. and he  said, "You know, you're the youngest person who's  
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ever applied to be a member of Muon." I remember I  had that and and I was like, "Oh shit." You know,  
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that I I was like, I'm maybe it's I'm like  I'm too young for this. I started getting   intimidated thinking that I had to do I had to  do something and I didn't. But I thought I had  
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to by doing you know, you're you're innocent. You  don't know. So, I got my first card and he said,  
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"You're the official youngest member of Muon  in the world." So I remember that being a thing  
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and uh that got me really started. I started  receiving the Muon journ, you know, the muon  
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journal that they would send out and I started  trying to through that trying to locate where to  
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buy the right books. I was a geek, dude. I was a  geek. I was a full-on geek. I was not interested  
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in girls or going out playing soccer, whatever.  I was just full on wanting to find out, you know,  
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about aliens. And so I really geeked out and I  I bought a whole bunch of books and I got really  
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interested and I would eventually start going  to these little get together. They were not muon   conferences. They were like local chapter muon  things and my I was like 13 I think. So my dad  
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would have to drive me and he was concerned like  where where are you going? all these people have   white hair because everybody had white hair, you  know, and and it was just weird for him to like  
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see his son and so he would stay just to make sure  that it's what the hell is this, you know, right?  
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And but he was very supportive and um eventually  I actually one of the first things I actually  
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really do dove deep into was communicating with  Ed Walters from Gulf Breeze, Florida. I don't  
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know if you remember that. Oh buddy, yes I do.  Yeah. What a story. And uh I couldn't believe it.  
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I wrote him a letter and I said, you know, I I'm  I'm um I to I thought that to to validate myself,  
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I would have to say I'm with Muon. I thought that  was a validation. So I said, I'm with Muon and I'm   in Montreal. I'm really interested in your case  and blah blah blah. So I sent him a letter. He  
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sent me back a package which had a videotape which  I still have of him talking to me on videotape and  
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then sent me original well copies of the original  tapes of what he had filmed and letters and stuff.  
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And that was the first time I was like going like  oh this is this is so cool like this is like you  
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know and uh I guess that that started me on this  whole journey but it's been like anybody who would  
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have been interested in that back then. It's like  it's a side note. It's like it's part of your life   but it's not what you do. I had to go to school  and I was studying and eventually the older I  
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got the more I wanted to date girls and that was  not a cool topic to bring up back then. If you  
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started if you believed in UFOs and aliens that  wasn't going to get you on a date. So I started  
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like not talking about it for a while so I could  have a normal life and then eventually I I would  
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do it in like I would read about it secretly and  then eventually publicly I started saying you know  
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what I like this stuff. I don't care. I'm gonna  say I like this stuff. So obviously like a lot of  
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us got a lot of flack from a lot of people even  friends of the family used to think I had there   was a problem with Luigi cuz he likes aliens too  much you know and uh so that was that was how I  
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started and eventually after many years uh and  I'm cutting out a lot I uh I eventually became  
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national director for muon in Canada and I pretty  much was in charge of all you know basically  
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what muon does is taking in all inst all the  reports and filtering through and and basically  
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dispatching anybody who would have to go out. And  I did that for a while until I got really honestly  
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real bored of it because it's it's the same thing.  You you get so many people who see something. It's  
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really I I'm not saying it's not real. I'm saying  you can't do anything with it. You know, somebody  
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will call, do you have a picture of it? No. But I  want to report it or you have a video of it. Yeah,  
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but you can't see anything. And that was like 95%  of it or more. So it it kind of got tiring to or  
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telling people you just saw Venus. It's just it's  just Venus. You didn't see anything. You know,  
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some people would think the moon is moving. You  know, the moon is not moving, dude. You know, so  
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it's like so there was a lot of that and I and I  got really tired of that. it it became monotonous  
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and uh took a step away from that and uh I think  it was uh early on in the 2000s or mid mid 2000s I  
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uh 2005 or something I can't remember I was in  China and I was coming back I was coming to Canada  
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then China at the same time and I started really  getting back into it and eventually that got me  
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to get to know uh people that were involved with  the aerial school incident in Rua in Zimbabwe. So  
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I got uh I became eventually became very close to  one of the witnesses. Her name was Emily Trim. She  
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passed away a year a year and a bit ago. Uh she  be she had become a really close friend of mine. I  
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had uh become really close with Randall Nickerson  who produced the documentary Aerial Phenomenon and  
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uh and that kind of took a lot of years in my  life. I I was really working with Emily on trying  
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to figure out what had happened there and things  that happened to her and other kids after. And  
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that got me very interested in the uh I was always  interested in abductions, but I was not I was well  
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well educated self-educated by reading books, but  it that's just what I you know just reading books.  
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I eventually uh was uh fortunate enough through  a friend who is called Don Dandere's professor  
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at McGill here who's wrote about this who is very  close friends with John Mack and with David Jacobs  
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and John was already gone and so connected me to  David Jacobs and I eventually was his apprentice  
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for two years. So David basically did a lot of I  I spent a lot of time with David learning about  
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the abduction cases. He told me all about what  Bud Bud Hopkins was doing throughout the years   and all that. And I I was fortunate enough one  time at David's house to see all of Bud Hopkins  
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work because it was at David's house. And uh I was  fascinated with it and uh eventually realized that  
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I was not going to be a good um hypnotist, you  know, do a regressive hypnosis. I was going to  
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be very good at uh basically tracking data but  not hands. If you go into the abduction field,  
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it's kind of synonymous with having to learn how  to do sub regressive hypnosis. I'm not made for  
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that. So, I I I stepped away. I said, "This is  not something I'm going to be good at doing. I  
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don't know how to do it well, but I know how to  track data. I know how to connect things." And so,  
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I did a lot of that. And uh through my friendship  with Emily, I eventually uh realized I had  
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realized it in the past but realized it more  that the field required a a sort of an ethical  
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um standard. The field I I I should rephrase  that not the field, the topic was still being  
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ridiculed even though the nuts and bolts was  being ridiculed less. So if people were accepting  
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of the fact that somebody could have seen an  object, even a Navy pilot seeing an object,   that's still nuts and bolts. You're seeing an  object. It's flying. It's technology. We don't  
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know what it is. That's a very big step away  from I saw a being. A being was here in my  
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present. That's not the same. So there was a big  distinction there and also a big distinction in  
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how society reacted to it. And so if you had a  lot of people open to the possibility that yeah,  
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it's possible that somebody saw something in the  sky, that was great to see this this openness with  
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people, but you could still sense a pretty closed  gap with with mainstream when it came to possible  
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contact. And that made me look at this and I  eventually wanted to start a movement at the  
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time with Emily uh when she was alive and it was  going to be called the WANA movement. We are not  
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alone. The first four letters is W A N A. And  the WAN movement was simply to raise awareness  
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to the fact that it is possible that people have  seen something. They do not know what it is and  
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it affected them emotionally. It affected their  lives and we should be very cautious in ridiculing  
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it or laughing it off as if it's nonsense right  away. it because that could be further trauma to  
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that person and that was something that I took  very seriously. Excuse me. So it kind of made me  
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step away from the daily investigations or the  the investigative work and I started thinking  
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about the human aspect of this phenomenon. And I  thought, you know, we need to kind of just talk  
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about it and and of course there's always going to  be those who embellish or want to have attention  
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and they'll bring out, you know, stupid things out  there, make us believe, whatever. But then there's  
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the real people in there and they they have  real feelings and they're real humans who have,  
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you know, families and friends and and jobs. So  it it became the number one priority for me. And  
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that was at the end where um then COVID started  and I was I had already started WA and Emily  
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was well and we were going to do something about  that. She was going to be my she was going to be  
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our spokesperson because she had been a witness to  Ariel. She she she was there. Yeah. and uh and she  
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had gone through a tremendous amount of personal  attacks throughout her life because they thought   that was crazy. There's no way aliens don't exist.  you know, you you imagined it so that the other  
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kids so so co arrived obviously everything kind  of froze and while I was kind of stuck not being  
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able to do anything because I couldn't couldn't go  they even had curfews in Quebec where I live here  
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in Montreal so you couldn't even leave. I decided  I said, "Let me let me do a full deep dive on the  
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Bob Lazar story just for fun." Just for funsies,  you know, let me just let me just really do a deep  
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dive. Nice. And uh and I did. And I started, you  know, I started pulling all I said, "Let me see  
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what's online, you know, like what's what's out  there, right?" And there was so much stuff. I  
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mean, there's so much stuff on Lazar. It's crazy.  And you have to you have to be like you have to   really be good at remembering stuff because  information was varying from one site to the  
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next or whatever you read. And and that that kind  of that kind of struck a chord because I'm like   I don't know which which which website's telling  me the truth here because one's saying this, the  
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other one's saying that and what's real? And uh  long story short, I started getting more and more  
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interested in the story. Jeremy Corbel had done  his movie and in 2018 and had been on Rogan with  
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Bob, which I found that to be great because Bob  came out again in the in the in the spotlight and  
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I thought, "Oh, this is cool." You know, and and  I I knew the story since I was a kid. Obviously,  
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everybody who w I was I was there when I was a  kid when it happened, but I remember I was already  
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uh I believe I was already with Muon when that  happened. And uh so I was starting to take notes.  
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I remember I was you know when you see those  the cliche thing of like having a board and  
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writing notes and so I started like creating a a  thing where it's like okay this is what happened  
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that's what he saw this but I started getting more  interested in the story of what he had seen at S4  
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more so than the story of how to validate who he  is as a person. And the reason why is I I said  
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look I've known about this guy for I don't know 20  some at the time it's 30 years or something. I um  
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I've also seen all this information out there that  has to do with his past and there's it's been it's  
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out it's been out there forever. A lot of people  have done a lot of great work in that and but  
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every time we had to talk about what he saw and  exactly describe what he saw, it was always vague.  
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I'd never seen something really accurate. And  I'm thinking this guy was in he was like touching  
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the material. He was I mean he's handling it. So  obviously we need to have very clear specs here. I  
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mean he he was inside the craft, right? So that's  not something that you heard all the time. Uh you  
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you know if I had to think about another person  who consciously remembered being inside a craft  
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would have been Travis Walton that woke up inside  a craft and ran around and tried to get away. But  
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that was not he was not analyzing components  like let's say what Lazar claimed to you know  
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being inside this vehicle. Right. So I found that  to be really of interest and I thought you know in  
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the in the field and I and I'll I'll take a quick  I also parallel to all this I I'm a president of  
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a merchandising company. So I run merchandise.  I've been running merchandise for 25 years. So  
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I I know how to make stuff by the way. Just FYI.  I can make products right? So I' I've done that   for 25 years. And that's one of the reasons why  I was in China to learn how to make stuff. So,  
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um, and so I thought, never have we ever seen a  professional scale model of a vehicle from another  
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civilization, supposedly from another civilization  that is accurate. It's always kind of or it's  
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about like that or but never something precise.  And I and I'm a I'm I'm obsessed with precision,  
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by the way. I'm I'm kind of known for that. So,  I thought, how interesting would it be to create  
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something that is extremely precise, a model of  of a vehicle that is possibly a real vehicle from  
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another star system, but with precision. And  I thought, which who do I contact? Which one  
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would it be? Well, it's if if I thought about  it, it wouldn't have been Travis cuz he really  
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didn't have time to analyze the components.  You could not rely on abductees because it's  
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far too difficult for that to be considered  accurate information. It's very vague. They're  
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scared or they don't remember. But Lazar is the  only person we know, especially historically,  
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that described this from a perspective of a study  of an analysis. So I thought, I wonder if he would  
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be open to to to doing anything on this. And I  reached out uh on a whim. I decided to pick up  
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the phone. I found the company that he that his  company reached out, spoke to Zach who works with  
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him at United Nuclear. That's his company. I said,  "Look, you guys don't know who I am. Uh, this is  
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my company." I sent the website. I said, "I've  been making stuff for a long time. I'm really  
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good at making things, tangible objects, whatever  they they are. Uh, I'd love to make a replica,  
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a collector version of that flying saucer. I would  love to have Bob Lazar to make sure that I'm doing  
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it the right way. Whether people believe it or not  doesn't matter. it's still that story. And I said,  
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and I would love to have his seal of approval. I  said, I could possibly do it with the information  
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that is out there, but it would be so much more  valuable if I have his stamp of approval on it.  
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And so, you know, Zach said, I I I don't know if  he's going to talk to you, you know, I don't know  
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if he he's has time or I said, I understand that.  I I I'm not expecting anything, you know. And long  
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story short, he he decided to give me a call. Oh,  sorry. Zach called me and said, "Bob would like  
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would talk to you." He saw your website and you do  seem like somebody who's done quite a few things  
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in the past. I said, "I have. It's it's it's it's  not it's not a secret." So, I I eventually got on  
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the phone with Bob maybe a day later and it was  the first time I spoke to him. So for me it was   also as a you know as a person in this field  to talk to Bob Lazar was just a cool thing you  
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know just to just hey Bob you know I'm I'm a fan  regardless you know I I think the name Bob Lazar  
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also sparks nostalgia for me because it's when I  started getting interested in flying saucers. So,  
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you know, it it there's a certain part of that  that is also nostalgic that made me, you know,  
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want to talk to him cuz I'm like, my god, this is  a name I've heard since I was a kid. And uh and   so we we started talking and he realized that I I  knew what I was talking about. He started asking  
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me like, well, if you would do that, how would  you you know, how would you go about in making  
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this? And so, long story short, he um he said, you  sound like you know what you're doing. And I said,  
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"I I do, Bob. I I genuinely would take this very  serious. I would do a very professional job at  
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this. I would not I would not insult the project.  I would make a a professional model." He says,  
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"Fine, you you can come and see me." And so I I  bought a ticket the next day. I was like, "Look,  
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if Bob Lazar is saying come and see me, I'm not  going to take a chance and make that possibly  
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change. I'm gonna go and see him. So, I went out  there and uh I brought my god, Ryan. I brought  
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like I I here we have like all this area where  when whenever we're creating prototypes of stuff,  
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we have like material samples, textures, colors.  We have I have all this kit that we use. Put all  
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that in my luggage and went out there. I said,  "If I'm going to build a craft, I'm going to bring   everything I have." And so, we I went out there  and him and I sat. He invited me to his house the  
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first night to have dinner with his wife and Zach,  wonderful people, and uh talked about life more  
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than anything. And he said, "Do you really think  people would be interested in a model of a flying  
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saucer?" I said, "Yeah." And he says, "Wow, you  didn't even hesitate." I said, "No, Bob." I go,  
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"This is you're you're sort of a you're sort  of a unique individual and we can't seem to,  
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you know, put that story away. It's a really  important story." I go, I know there's a lot of  
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controversy around it, but you still, you're still  Bob Lazar. You still said that and a lot of stuff  
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seems to align in some in some senses. So he said,  "All right." So we sat down for two days. I took  
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down so many notes. I mean measurements and he was  so kind and trying to help as much as he could and  
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uh I I had brought with me um a testers model  back in '94 test the testers corporation had made  
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a plastic model of that craft. It it's available  on eBay for people who want to collect it. It's a  
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collector edition and it's not a good quality  model but it's it's pretty accurate. And so I  
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brought that with me and I wanted to know from Bob  is this is this good? You know like can I also use  
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this and he pointed out everything that was good  and everything that was not. So he says you know  
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this is good but this is actually inaccurate. So  you kind of I made notes everywhere and at least  
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that was a framework kind of part of the framework  and came back to Montreal spent two months with  
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my team and we uh I mean we did a pretty big job  and created a 200page book on the craft technical  
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page book on the craft. Yeah. And uh and I had  a hundreds of questions for him that I had not  
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realized that I needed to know. And I so this  this sparked me going back to see him with all  
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these questions and while we were out while I  was out there he answered everything. Some of  
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them he didn't know like he goes I'm sorry I  I never measured that so I I would like there   was certain things that we had to like say okay  impossible to know because he didn't get to see  
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that. Uh but whatever he was able to give us it  was it was very good. And we eventually I came  
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back and we eventually built the craft. We started  building the craft in 3D in uh Unreal Engine. And  
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uh I spent I I I would close close to a year le  a little less than a year building just the craft  
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the framework of the craft and that took a while.  I had uh I would say in total we were five people.  
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I I contracted five I cont sorry I contracted  four uh 3D uh experts in to do that and I had  
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one person in house plus myself to to to direct  it and then eventually it grew to a bigger team  
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and while this was happening I thought you know  we could build the hanger where it was you know  
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housed and so that sparked conversations with Bob  saying Bob would you would you help us, you know,  
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with the hanger so that we can maybe make a box  for this thing that looks like the hanger? Anyway,  
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that went from let's make a box for the model to  hey Bob, do you think we could build the whole  
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the whole S4 facility and he said he said look he  goes if if you're going to be investing the money  
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just make sure you get your money back. He goes,  "You" He goes, "That wh why would you do that?"  
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You know, and I and I said, "What if we did this?  If we were able to recreate S4, and I mean really  
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recreate S4. I'm not talking about some some  lowquality, low poly recre. I'm talking high  
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quality stuff. Would you be willing for us to do  a small documentary where you would be explaining  
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everything you saw there in the exact way you saw  it? And that was I think that was right before  
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uh I think it was I can't remember exactly the  date that happened but he he thought about it  
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and he he thought Luigi that's going to cost  you a fortune you know like he was worried he   was worried like are you sure you want to do this  because he wasn't getting any like for him it's  
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like all you're getting from me is I'm directing  you to do this but what are you sure you're even   going to make any money with this like you know  you're you're going to spend all this money doing  
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cuz he saw how much effort it was to just build  a craft and then you know anyway long story short  
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I said look if you tell me it's a go I I will  allocate the budget it's all done in house here so  
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it's our own money and I said we'll do it and he  said it he goes I don't want to be responsible if  
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this is not a profitable business for you he says  if you want to do it know that I've warned you  
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that, you know, nothing says you'll get your money  back. I said, "I'm okay with that. I I know that  
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I'll work on trying to make this, you know, uh, at  least recover our expenses." And and so he agreed.  
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And so we started building S4. And then once S4  was built with the craft, with the other craft,  
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well, whatever he could remember. By the way, we  only built what he could remember, what he saw.  
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Okay. So, if there's a long there's you're  going to see a long corridor, a long hallway  
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in S4. We didn't build past where he went.  It's it's just a corridor because he said,  
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"I I don't know what was out there. I just know it  was a long corridor, but I never went there." So,  
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we we kind of had to limit ourselves to that  area that he worked in. built the propulsion lab  
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where he worked and built the hanger obviously the  sport model, the briefing room, the nurse station,   the out the the hand scanner room, the the whole  and then we started building the landscape,  
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the whole Papoose Lake, the Papoose Mountain Range  and we went so far to go to 10 kilometer wide 3D  
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environment. So few couple million dollars later,  we now own S4. Okay. So, wow. Yeah. So, we hope  
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we hope to uh we hope people will appreciate the  extent we went into in at least doing it. Now,  
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we we were also saying, you know, I people on my  team didn't even know who Bob Lazar was. Okay. So,  
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when when I started telling everyone, we're going  to work on this project. This guy Bob Lazar worked  
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on flying saucers at Area 51. I swear everybody  just looked at me like are are you crazy? Like  
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who what are you talking about? And I said you do  you know who Babar and they were like no I have   no idea who Baba is. I said you know he worked  at this facility and I started explaining it as  
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if and I started I forgot that that sounded insane  to some people. So, right, you know, I said there  
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were there were flying saucers in these hangers,  and they literally said, "You're you're kidding,  
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right?" Like, a flying saucer in a hanger. Like,  for them, that was like, "What are you saying?"  
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You know? So, my team came in completely not  knowing Bob Lazar and most of them not believing  
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this at all. Like, I'm talking at all. In fact,  my sister who works with me, uh, she was like,  
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"What are you what are you doing? Like, I know  you like this stuff, but what the hell is this   all about? This guy working in a place with  flying sock." Like, she was like thinking,  
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"Are you [ __ ] losing it? Like, this is going to  cost so much money." And, you know, so I I I had  
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I had friction inside, you know, cuz they're  like, "Okay, we'll do it." But like, really?  
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So they eventually obviously they eventually met  Bob. They had to because we had to film with Bob  
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and all that. Everybody was kind of guarded. They  were like, you know, who is this guy? Like I can't  
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wait to meet this guy to to see if this guy's for  real or not. And it and and that's part of this  
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whole story is, you know, whether people believe  Bob Lazar or not, I I can't nobody can control  
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that. They people make their own judgment, but  on a on a human level, I'll speak for what I I've  
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seen with my team. All of them today all believe  Bob Lazar. Wow. And not only do they believe Bob  
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Lazar, but they they now uh they now defend Bob  Lazar. And you can't fool so many people so well.  
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And and if he has, wow, because my my I got a  couple people that work here that are, you know,  
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those people that you could just never fool.  It's they're like an impenetrable there's no  
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way. That's my sister, by the way. You You cannot  There's no way that I I challenge God to doing  
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that and just there nobody's going to change her  mind. And I was like And she was like, "Yeah, he's  
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he's saying the truth. I can't I can't see where  he's lying. It's just doesn't come across. So,  
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does he you know, some people say, does he believe  his own lie? Is he I don't think that's what it  
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is. I really think there's truth to the story.  Everybody is familiar with the controversies of  
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Bob Lazar. Everybody knows that there's holes in  the story. can't supply uh uh university diplomas,  
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cannot supply some evidence to to to some stuff,  had some weird stuff happen uh back when he was  
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younger that doesn't seem to have changed their  perception of Bob Lazar, especially when it came  
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to what supposedly happened at S4. Um I I myself  have spent four years uh working closely with Bob.  
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In fact I can say now after all this time it's  almost four and a half years. I mean Bob and  
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his wife Joy have become friends and you don't  just that just doesn't just happen. You I I have  
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to trust the people regardless of the fact that  it was nostalgic for me to meet Bob or to talk  
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to Bob Lazar. I'm still a very grounded person.  I'm very I don't I don't bend very easily to to  
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whatever. So I found it to be very um insightful  for me to get the opportunity to know a lot more  
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with Bob talking to him. I asked him every qu  if any question you can imagine somebody would  
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want to ask Bob Lazar. I've asked them that  question five times over every question. So,  
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I've covered that for four years and none of that  has ever there's not a moment where I thought he  
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was lying. But I will say and I say it publicly  all the time. Bob Lazar is not lying. Bob Lazar is  
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omitting information. Okay? So that's a very it's  a distinct difference between he's a liar or he's  
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omitting information. He I am un I I am certain  that he went there and he did witness what he  
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said he witnessed, but I'm also certain there's  omissions in the story. Now I'm not going to press  
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for to know more. He he's openly said he holds  back some information. So, I know that that's part  
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of that omission. He holds back in case something  ever comes out that if somebody was ever there,  
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they can say something that he can say, "Okay,  that that is that person knows something,  
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right? It's like a card he can play." Exactly. If  he had to. And I and I completely understand that  
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and I I respect that and I think that's a fair way  of of going about it. So I don't think that that's  
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a it's not an intentional uh trick or something.  No, I I feel he's genuine. He's saying I want to  
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hold a few cards just for my own sake in order  to to value. A lot of people have said a lot of  
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things after he came public. Oh, I I've been to  S4. I'm like, you know, you don't know. We don't  
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know if that's true. they've only said it after  he said S4. Is that real? You know, what do we  
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know? Right. So, it there's apparently stuff that  he doesn't want to, you know, put out there. So,  
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I find that very interesting and I think that  that's important. Um he's clearly uh a very a very  
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educated person and very talented person in what  he does which is all science related. I personally  
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witnessed it. So I can guarantee everyone it's  real. I mean the guy is is does pretty interesting  
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work. Some of his clients are the FBI. So, it's  not like he has small client lists. He does really  
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complex stuff, scientific work that would require  quite some knowledge in order to to do. So,  
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it's not like he's this, you know, people say he's  not really a scientist or he doesn't know anything  
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about physics or I don't know. I that's not what  that's not what I that's not what I saw. But I'm  
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not a physicist myself, so obviously I can't ask  the harder questions. But I think he can hold his  
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own. I think he's also said it many times that um  that he's not the one they should like. He said,  
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"I wasn't even I" He goes, "I don't think I was  qualified for doing what they hired me to do out  
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there." Right? He says, he says, I feel that it  it should have been a scientific project or some  
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science operation, but he says it didn't feel like  that. It felt like a military operation. It felt  
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like it was a military prison in in in in another  way of saying it because we were being watched all  
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the time. We couldn't speak loudly. We couldn't  speak to other groups. We had to we had to whisper  
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stuff to each other. we we couldn't look in  certain directions that we had to stay focused.  
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And he goes, "That's not a very He goes, I don't  have very good memories of the environment of S4."  
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He goes, "Of course, it was crazy." You know,  it was amazing to be there and see this stuff,  
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but he goes, "Other than that, it was a very  stressful place to be at." So he said whatever  
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was happening there was not something he was  used to. It it it was it was highly secured.  
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So when we were making the film and asking  him a bunch of questions, he eventually said,  
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"You should not you should know that my story is  very boring. You know, it's it's a very boring.  
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I didn't do anything exciting. It's not like  anything happened. And I said, "Are are you  
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kidding?" You know, like, you know, but he said,  "I he goes, I I understand, you know, you want to  
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you guys want to show the craft and that's cool,  but how how much will how much craft can you show?  
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You know, eventually there nothing happened." And  I said, "Well, that's the whole point is I think  
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to recreate something that actually happened as  mundane and as how boring you think it could be,  
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it's not something that humanity is accustomed  in doing to be standing in in in a in a room  
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that has a vehicle that could be potentially from  another star system." And I think that's that's  
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in itself quite incredible. Now all the way  all the things that were happening because of  
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that are interesting regardless of the fact that  there was nothing going on you know so why were  
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they shouting I don't know why was everything so  quiet well I don't know you know so but you want  
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to know those things you want to see it happen  you want to have a recreation of it so that you  
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can actually we even in this uh in this research  field. Every time we hear these stories, you know,  
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they're reverse engineering, there's government  facilities where they hold craft and well,  
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I'd love to see what it would look like, but I  mean, through the eyes of somebody that was there,  
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I would be very interested in that. Personally,  I've heard the stories a thousand times, but I'm  
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I'm I don't want to see a a cheap recreation of  it or a quick animation of it or some, you know,  
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creative liberty way of showing it. I want to see  exactly what it looked like. And so that was my  
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motivation. And I think that Bob found that to be  uh interesting once he started seeing it. So once  
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he started seeing it, the really interesting  things happened after we had built the frame,  
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the whole framework and uh I would say we were  at maybe 40% of the of the build and he started  
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remembering and that was something that I I  didn't expect cuz he would go into the hanger,  
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he's looking around and he's like, "Yeah, that's  that's accurate. That's accurate." And he'd go,   "Oh my god, there used to be a door there."  He goes, "There's a door missing." You know,  
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and he goes, "I remember now." And you could see  it. He's like, I have about a hundred Zoom calls  
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with Bob of him going through S4 and going, "Oh  my god, there's, you know, that wasn't there. That  
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was there." And and it's like when you go back  in your old high school and you go, "Oh [ __ ] I   forgot. Yeah, that's right. The the the washroom  is down that hall." You know, stupid things.  
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you remember because you're there. And so that was  a really cool experience to see that in in live to  
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see him remember things. Uh a lot of things  obviously he didn't remember. He he said I I   would always ask him mundane stuff like how many  lights do you think were on the ceiling? He says  
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I I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I had to build  it so I didn't know how many. He I I would say do  
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you remember the height of the of the pillar? He's  like I I have no idea. He's like, "Whatever that  
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is." You know, he goes, "I wasn't paying attention  to that. I was paying attention to the craft." So,  
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and plus I wasn't even allowed to look around. I  wasn't even allowed to turn my head. So, there's  
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a lot of things that I remember in obviously  I was paying attention, but we were always  
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escorted by military so by these guards. So, it  was a He goes, "There's a lot of things you're  
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going to have to take creative liberty on, you  know." I said, "What was the color of the floor,  
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you know, in the hanger?" He says, "It must have  been gray, you know." He goes, "I if that if I  
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remember." Plus, he goes, "I don't remember what  I had for lunch yesterday, so you're asking me  
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something that I don't remember." you know, so  there's a few things that we obviously had to  
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fill in the gaps to build the whole facility, but  when we finished and uh we we gave Bob a tour,  
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you had to be there. It was I I can't even put  it into words. He was visibly shaken. You could  
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see that it brought back emotions. He said, "I  never thought I would see this again." He said,  
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"You guys really did it." He goes, "This is S4.  You You This is what it looked like." And he goes,  
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"You got the lighting right." Cuz we we spent I  mean, I didn't spare any expense, by the way. So,  
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as long as I make some money back, good. I want  everybody to know that this whole project was  
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to try to get it to be as historically accurate  as possible. Of course, there's an entertainment  
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uh component of it, but I wanted to use technology  to create a piece of history. Whether you believe  
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it or not, that's the story that was told. So,  this is what that story is. I I don't think that  
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it's going to I don't think that it's going to  uh hurt to have people see it to possibly connect  
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the dots better. I mean, you have people that have  known Bob all his life. I mean, his wife, uh, Joy,  
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after she saw the movie, she said, "Luigi, I'm I'm  married to Bob Lazar, and I learned a lot in your  
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film. I she said I didn't realize it was exactly  like that and now I understand it better when Bob  
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tells me and Mario Santa Cruz who's a good friend  of Bob just called us yesterday. He just saw the  
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movie yesterday and it was interesting. He kept  me on the phone for almost an hour and he said he  
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said Luigi I I've known Bob since this happened.  I've known that story like the back of my hand  
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since this happened because Bob had told us. He  says, "I learned so much stuff because it's so  
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different when you see something because you  finally understand the little nuance nuances,  
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the little differences. You you go, "Oh, that's  what he meant." You know, it it it's it's I've  
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I've had a lot of I did a lot of research on this  and I had all these points that were pointing to  
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the possibility that the story was fabricated and  I wanted to see if these points would get resolved  
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and they did. I know it's there's we're going to  have a book come out eventually. We're going to  
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have all this stuff in a book format as well. how  we made it, how we did it, how it's all all the  
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technical details. And there were things that he  had said that would only be able to be seen in a  
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real physical environment. And because we built  it, we are able to actually physically go there.  
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put we we could by the way we used our physic we  used our environment to make a film but we're also  
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going to be using our environment later this year  to release a VR experience where you can actually  
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walk through S4 yourself. Oh my god. Okay, that's  so cool. Yeah. So that's going to happen. And so  
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there was there was a few things he had mentioned  that I wanted to validate myself. The first one  
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and we we laugh about it now is he had said that  there was a reversed American flag on the craft  
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that was stuck on the craft. This he had said  many years ago. I remember even when I was young   I was like they had an American flag on the craft.  Like why would that be? You know it made no sense,  
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right? And he said that all the time. He says I  I don't know. I I saw I saw it. It was there. I  
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mean it was on the craft. And so I was interested  in the American flag and he had seen it the first  
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time he ever walked in the hangar and the first  time he saw the craft. One of the things that  
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caught his attention was the reversed American  flag. And when we built it, I remember I had  
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uh Chris here who works with me, who by the way  is is Christopher Mateau is my right hand in this  
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who's he's a magician in what he does. He's is  incredible. We had the craft. I put the goggles  
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on and I I'm in the hanger and I'm looking at the  craft and the first thing I wanted to see is can I  
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see the flag because online when I was initially  in 2020 or 2021 whenever I started researching I  
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I had read a lot of people saying there's no way  you could have seen the American flag from what  
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he's talking about from the way the angle is.  There's no way it's impossible he's lying blah   blah blah. I was curious because I said it is  kind of an interesting angle. I want to see if  
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he could have seen the flag. And you have to build  it to see it. You can't just imagine it. Anyway, I  
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uh I essentially looked over at the craft and  I remember first thing I saw was the was the  
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American flag. And I remember my team thought I  was going to comment on the hanger because we were  
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looking at the hangar and the first thing I said  is there it is you know and they're like there  
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what is you know like what what are you talking  about? I said the flag and they thought I was  
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talking about a flag in the hanger and they're  like what flag? I said on the craft and and it  
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took them a second to figure out. I was looking  to see is it possible to see the so it it it might  
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not be one of those things where everybody gets  convinced because those are mundane things but  
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there were so many of those that we had to be in  the environment to validate if what he said made  
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sense. And when I built the craft and I went  inside the craft and I saw he he said certain  
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physical limitations inside the craft very it's a  it's although it's a it's a wide object it's very  
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tapered so it's very it's very angled so you have  to you have to crouch down because of the way the  
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disc is made. So you're you're pretty much on your  hands and knees until you get to the middle and  
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then you can stand up. And even at that, your your  head is touching the ceiling. It's very small. I  
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mean, it wasn't made for a six-foot adult. It's  not made for that. And and those are things that  
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I saw only after we built it. And I thought, how  would he know that? How would he know those little  
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subtleties? Because little subtleties that he said  on the fly, like naturally, like, yeah, you know,  
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I had to crouch down. Barry went on one side and I  had trouble because it was so tight there and how  
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would you know it was so tight there if you didn't  go there and I was there now because I built it  
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and I'm like oh my god it's it's so tight. It's it  I even looking at it on screen didn't look tight  
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and then I'm there in VR and I'm like it it's  tight. It's oh [ __ ] How would he know that? You  
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know, so those were little things that always kept  coming up during this whole process and I thought,  
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you know, he would be a he's he's really good if  this is all made up. This is this is incredible.  
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Luigi, what were some of the in the recreations  now? This is like the big sort of thing of the  
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film. Um, you know, we've we've seen clips of it.  We're all going to see all of it very soon. Yeah,  
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of course. Um, what were some of the most powerful  moments with Bob and the recreations where you  
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said he was visibly shaken? Now we don't want to  give away everything obviously but like you know  
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from the room where the files were to the element  115 to the you know the the reactor or the core  
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of it the propulsion like what are the things  that really stand out that people are going to  
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be like oh my god that people are going to be oh  my god or that he was oh my god let let's do both.  
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Let's do Bob first and then what you're hoping  people will see. So for Bob uh there's there was  
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three things two things happened earlier on. The  last thing was the film itself. So when he walked  
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in the hanger the first time um sorry not the  first time when we finalized it and we had the  
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hanger door open. Now keep in mind everything  everything works. So physics work, light works,  
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time of day works. So if it's morning, the sun  is at a specific angle and the light is coming  
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in differently than if it's late afternoon. So  there's a different, you know, if the if the   hanger door is open, the lighting in the hanger  is a little bit different depending on the time  
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of day. So I was switching from time of day in  my goggles for him to see different times of day.  
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Mhm. And I was at his house and uh there was a  friend of theirs that was in the living room. He  
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was with me in the kitchen in the not sorry in the  kitchen in the dining room area and I and I said,   "Bob, check this out. It's a different time of  day." And it was uh he hadn't put the goggles on  
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because I had just arrived. So he puts the goggles  on and he stayed very quiet and he I remember he  
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crouched he he he put both his fists like this  and he's looking around. It kind of went it kind  
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of went like this and I and he looked he looked  like he was worried or something and I thought  
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[ __ ] I [ __ ] something up. Like I mean I must  have he doesn't look like he's impra he usually he  
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would go wow that's pretty cool. He wasn't saying  anything and he was looking around and he took  
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the the goggles off and handed them to me and he  says, "Uh, I need a moment. That that really did  
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something to me." And I remember the woman that  was there was a friend of theirs. She looked over  
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and got like, "Are you okay, Bob?" He goes, "That  brought back feelings that I never thought I would  
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have again." And you could see it was like he was  visibly shaken and it was a specific time of day.  
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I I did it on purpose because of the way the light  bounced into the hanger. So, I wanted him to see  
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how we could play with daylight and I wanted him  to see that. And it just so happened that he says  
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that matched a time where I saw the craft in there  and that really freaked me out. He goes because  
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for a second I didn't I didn't realize I was in  a 3D environment. I thought I was there. And so  
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that was that was to me that was equally interest  was great and also concerning because I saw how  
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it affected him and he and he kept repeating that  to me that whole day. He says I can't believe you  
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brought those emotions back in me. I thought those  were dead. He said I thought those were gone,  
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long gone. And he says, "It makes me realize how  how that place messed with me while I was there  
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because it was so not fun to be there because of  all the stress that was happening with the guards  
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and the security." So, you could see, I mean,  if he was faking some type of emotional trauma,  
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I I don't think he was. I really think it was  a genuine human response to seeing something  
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that traumat and and the woman also said she  knew him very well. She goes, I I I could tell  
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he was he was shaken by that. So that was the  first time that I saw a phys a real emotional.  
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The second time was when we showed him the the  the hallway and it was right at the entrance  
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where the doors open and there's the hallway in  the base and he put the goggles on and he said,  
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"Oh my god." He goes, "Wow." He was he didn't know  how to respond. He was just like, "That's it."  
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He goes, "You got the lighting accurate, too."  He goes, "You got the neon lights accurate to the  
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not neon the the fluorescent lights." I said, "I I  followed I followed your instructions, man." I go,  
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"I I we we really took the time to get the right  luminosity, the right tubes, the type of light  
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they would emit." I mean, we really went far, by  the way. We really went detailed. And he said,   "You you got this, man." And he goes, "That  was eerie to to be back in that hallway cuz  
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that hallway was almost like he never went he  was I I I was never one time in that hallway  
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by myself. I there was always armed guards next  to me. So I felt like a prison in that hallway.  
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It's like when you're going from one cell  to another." He goes, "It was so stressful  
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to walk with them because they would always say  eyes forward and hands by your side, you know,  
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like do not look anywhere." It was like a constant  like, "Okay, I got it." You know, like, "I don't  
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I'm not going to look anywhere." But they kept  saying it all the time. So clearly that shook him  
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as well. I guess it's just a memory of something.  Okay. Uh, and then as far as another thing is when  
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we have the test flight that he witnessed that  he only saw in the film. I didn't have a way to  
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show that. It was the final cut of the film. We  had that that test flight. I kept talking to him  
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about it while we were making it and he's like,  "Send it to me." You know, and I'm like I'm like,  
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"No, I don't want to send it to you. I wanna, you  know, I want to finish this." So when he saw it,  
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he said, "Wow." He goes, "It's it's so perfect."  He goes that it's weird. It's incredible that  
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technology has gotten that good. He kept insisting  how technology is really amazing. We could really  
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do incredible things now that we couldn't do  before. And I said, "Yeah, that that's kind of  
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the whole purpose, right? Is to to use technology  and to create historical record with it so that  
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we could recreate something visually. I think  that's a that's a missing piece even though  
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we all and and so that those are the those are  the things that that basically made Bob Lazar  
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freak out. As far as the as far as the crowd's  concerned, as far as the audience is concerned,  
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we have evidence we found. We have a piece of  evidence that's going to be released in our film.  
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We have real, verifiable, reproducible evidence  that is a 100% 100%. I'm I I I'm saying this  
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publicly that proves something Bob Lazar said in  1989 that there would be no [ __ ] way in hell  
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that he would have known that or any of us would  have known that in 1989. And it is impossible  
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to argue. It's tangible. It's verifiable. It  wasn't leaked to us. It's public. We discovered  
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it through public. It's going to clearly  make a lot of noise because if he was lying,
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there's no way he would have known  this. No way. So, it's some So,  
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regardless of every single thing someone could  say about Bob Lazar, this is something. So,  
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I'm I'm very confident about it. Okay. And there's  uh another um complimentary piece of evidence that  
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we will be showing that complements that piece of  evidence that is also verifiable, reproducible,  
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publicly available. And following my film, I will  be releasing a secondary short episode because we  
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we discovered something else that didn't make  it in the film that is a complete oversight of  
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the United States government. A complete  They missed something really big, really,  
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really big. And we discovered it too late. So,  we were like, "Shit, we can't we can't stop the  
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movie now." It actually I think the movie was like  already far gone and we've discovered it. And I  
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can say that there are things that are coming out  that are proving that whatever Bob said in 1989
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obviously like I'm going to repeat myself does  not prove that there were flying saucers there.  
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But it does prove something so incredibly  important, so impossible to find out back  
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then that it proved it proves to me that he had  been there at least because it is it lined up  
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at 100% to exactly what he said because we built  it. Okay. So, it's 100%. It's not maybe, it's not,  
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oh, it's it's potential. No, no, it's clear  as day. So, that's going to be in the film,  
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and I'm looking forward to the public's response  to it. I can't wait for the public to dive deeper  
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into it because I certainly exhausted in diving  deep on this. So, I want people to dive deeper  
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and please do it. You know, we're just really  happy to show it and release it and say this is  
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real. Find out what else is real around there.  Okay. So, it's clear that there's going to be  
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a lot of noise around it. I'm excited about it.  So is my team. Everybody, when we discovered it,  
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it was it was I I I can't say his name yet. was a  an somebody reached out to us to to to show it to  
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us. And uh at first I I didn't want to believe  it because it was too good. I was like there's  
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just no way. I thought there there's just no way.  And we verified it and we were like oh my god. It  
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was a it was one of those wow. And I showed it to  Bob and Bob literally went like holy [ __ ] like  
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he just went now that's a massive piece of like  that's like it's there. So we we thought okay this  
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is this is gonna make noise. Um, and then we want  people to go and do their own their own research,  
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their own take. I mean, I want as many eyes as  it of as possible on it, every expert there is  
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on it to go and deep dive into all that because  there's so much to see. So, it's it's going to  
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be interesting, let me tell you. Oh, baby. Stay  tuned. And that will be uh that'll be released  
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after the release of the film. No, there there  the release. It's in the film. It's in the film.  
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It's in the film. Got it. There is an additional  piece to it. Okay. That unfortunately I wasn't  
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able to put in the film. Right. Yeah. Right. Got  it. Thank you. Thanks for clarifying that. Um I  
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I've got two last questions for you before we move  to some listener questions. Sure. Sure. If that's   cool. Um you you had mentioned like today modern  euphology. You know, we're living in a world where  
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now we've had three congressional UFO hearings,  a Senate intelligence meeting. We've got Arrow,  
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a Pentagon UFO office, all of these quote unquote  whistleblowers coming forward now saying there are  
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legacy reverse engineered UFO programs as  Bob Lazar said back in the 80s. So, how do  
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you wrestle with that mirroring of what Lazar  experienced back then? what's going on today?  
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Does it bolster Bob Lazar? Does it discredit  what he has said? Is there controvers like  
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contradictions there? What do you make of what  Bob Lazar experienced and what's going on today?  
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it it's a it's really hard to make that  uh connection without also looking at what  
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has been said about Bob Lazar from some of those  whistleblowers. Right? So you you have and this is  
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where I kind of have my I I I I I I'm very guarded  like I I'm very careful at this point because I  
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don't want to I don't know these whistleblowers.  I I I I've met one by the way in the time that I  
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been making this film. Somebody very important  who was in Congress. I had an actually had an  
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opportunity to meet with two of them that were  in Congress, but I had an opportunity to really  
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talk in great detail with one in a private  environment in private place with where there  
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was no all the phones and everything were put in a  microwave and we were supposed to talk privately.  
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Um, I can say that that person did not tell me  that Bob Lazar was not real, that every that  
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the story was not real. They they said there is  something there, but we can't mention his name.  
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And that was something that made me go like, okay,  fine. I I'm I'm I'm intrigued by that. Why? Uh,  
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and there's also there are some that are saying  incredible things that are very similar to what  
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Babazar said in 1989. I I I think it's possible  that some of them have in fact read or looked  
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into this and did get that information. But we  have to also think who has actually had handson  
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uh experience on these things. It's different.  There's a there's hands-on and then there's  
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people who spoken with people who had hands-on and  got you know second level clearance or something.  
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So there are people that are very credible  and I believe them that have had some type of  
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information information you know related to them  which I find really interesting and this there's  
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some of those same people that immediately dismiss  Bob Lazar immediately. Yet they say the exact same  
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things he said all the way to describing how  the propulsion works exactly like Bob Lazar  
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said almost 40 years ago. So if Bob Lazar was a  fraud, which they some of them claim him to be,  
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how would Lazar have known the exact functionality  of a propulsion system that matches one to one  
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with what they're saying. I find that to be  very interesting. So, I think they're not lying,  
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and I'm not saying that they're not trustworthy.  I'm very intrigued because I guess I I'm also  
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um I'm also I've been involved in this now for  40 years, so it's it kind of hits me different.  
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This type of stuff hits me in a different way.  And I'm I'm just more in intrigued on, well,  
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then why do you dismiss Lazar? Like what's what's  that all about? It's not that I don't believe  
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you and it's not that I don't believe Bob. What's  why are you dismissing that? Is that specifically  
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to avoid talking about something else? Are we  avoiding a a piece of information by including  
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Lazar in the conversation? because there's you  you open Pandora's box with Lazar and so there's  
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a lot more hands-on detail from Lazar than there  is from some of the whistleblowers that are coming  
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out. Regardless of that, I still think they're  very valid. But I find it very interesting that  
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they wouldn't even have they wouldn't even  explore more on the Lazar or they wouldn't  
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open themselves to saying, "Yeah, that's true." he  said the same thing. They don't even want to say  
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that when you're when you confront them because  when you say, "But you're saying the same thing  
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he said. He said it 40 years ago. I don't want  I don't want to talk about Lazar." Well, I know,  
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but that's not the point. I'm not asking you to  talk about Lazar. I'm asking you you're saying the  
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same thing. It's interest. I find that if if I'm  a police officer and I'm investigating a crime,  
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obviously, you know, if you're saying you  you're corroborating a witness, I'd be like,   "Hold on a second. How do you know that? I don't  want to talk about that." Well, no, no, you're  
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you're going to talk about, you know, we have to  know what the hell's going on. So, I'm I'm just  
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very fascinated by the omission of the the of of  ignoring Lazar. And a lot of them will say, "Oh,  
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it's because people speaking for them, by the way,  not them saying it directly." Okay? They'll say,  
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"Oh, they don't want to say Lazar because Lazar  brings so much controversy to the conversation.  
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They want to I can understand that. Oh, I can  totally understand that. But if you come public,  
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if you chose to make a decision to go public and  to to give your testimony and to say on camera  
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unequivocally the functionality of a propulsion  system, and it just so happens to match verbatim  
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what a person you say is a fraud said 40 years  ago. and he was the very first to ever say it. You  
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have to be prepared for that question. Yeah. You  you you can't pretend you don't know that. Yeah.  
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Okay. Somebody must have raised that question.  So, you have to have a better answer than I don't  
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want to talk about Lazar. I you know what I mean?  Like there there has to be a better answer. Luigi,  
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I and you touch on so many things and I do want to  ask you this in we're going to go over to Patreon   in just a little bit to answer more listener  questions where I do want to dig a little bit  
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more into the controversial aspects of Bob Lazar.  Um but but you bring up a good point and you know  
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I have wrestled with the Bob Lazar story as many  have for many years and it is because of some of  
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those controversies. Some of our questions will be  about that. However, I would argue, you know, just  
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because that does not negate Bob Lazar working  at this facility, that does not negate the story  
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Bob Lazar. People will say, well, if he lied about  this, he lied about that. That's not true. That's  
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not how the world works. That that's not how life  works. So Bob Lazar can have a controversial past.  
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It does not mean still Yeah. Yeah. that that what  he's saying about us four is not true. Absolutely.  
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Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I every day I  change my mind on Bob Lazar, but I I do feel like  
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if this evidence you're saying in your film is  true that we are going to see when the movie comes  
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out verifies what is going on in today's modern  whistleblower world of UFOs, um I think that is  
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really going to make waves and it is going to make  people change their perspective on what they are   and I look forward to that. There's no question.  In fact, it will it will not just do that,  
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but I think it's going to have I hope my hope  is um besides appeasing the the people who don't  
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believe Bob Lazar, I my hope and this is something  that George Knapp and I talked about is that it  
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might in it might motivate somebody to want to  go out there, somebody in the government. So,  
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it might want to motivate somebody to say, "All  right, well, we're going to go out there and check  
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this out ourselves." Because if there's nothing  there, then what's the problem? Right. Exactly.  
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If there's nothing there, then okay. Yeah. Doesn't  matter. Right. So, I think I think it it would be  
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uh it would be it's ambitious for me to think that  that could be a possibility. And even if that does  
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become a possibility, doesn't mean I'll ever find  out about it. But I hope someone somewhere who  
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does have the clearance or has access who says,  "All right, well, let's let's go. Let's go see."  
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You you don't need to bring a a a camera with you.  You don't need to have a journalist there to do  
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it. But what maybe it can do is it's the beginning  of unraveling one piece of a very very complex
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web web. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Absolutely,  man. Yeah. That's that's the word that comes  
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to mind when I think web. That's a good point.  Story. Well, you you mentioned someone out there,  
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someone clearances that uh have you received any  like push back. Oh, yeah. Or like threats not  
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to release this or like anything you could share  on that front or is that Yeah. story for another  
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day? Yeah, that's something that I I have I had a  moment uh about a year ago. I think it was a year  
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ago. I was talking to Jimmy actually at UAP Files.  I kind of was going through a really rough uh a  
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rough time. Uh yeah, we had we didn't just get  push back, man. We we got hit hard. And I I mean  
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I've been in business for uh over 25 years and my  company came under attack like viciously. Mhm. And  
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um I am not I'm I don't want to you know what I'm  not at liberty to get into all the details because  
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there's still a legal thing going on. But I  will say that there are uh definite there's  
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definite evidence that I have that I've shared  with some people that proves un unequivocally  
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that somebody in a very high position somewhere I  don't know where if it's federal in the Canadian  
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government or the American government that had  ties to our Canadian banking system tried very  
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hard to shut us down and I'm still fighting that  and it was initially when all this happened I had  
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uh my lawyer it's funny and I and I and now I  stay away from saying too much and you're going to  
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laugh when I say this my lawyer uh called me cuz I  called him I said [ __ ] there's a [ __ ] problem  
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here and I'll never forget, you know, he he said  to me, he goes, "Okay, Luigi, what what'd you do?"  
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And I said, "I I I didn't do anything, you know."  And so it went as far as me having to get into  
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an argument with him because he says, "Come on,  you know, you're Italian. Maybe somebody in your   family made some, you know, some weird transaction  somewhere." And I said, "Are are you even kidding  
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me right now?" I said, "Are you actually throwing  the Italian card into this Sopranos?" Yeah. Like  
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for real? I I thought like you're kidding, right?  So he actually didn't believe it cuz he says,  
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"If that's happening to you, that means you did  something very bad." And I said, "I did not do  
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anything." And the reason why I am confident of  that and I have receipts for that is that while  
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we were making this film and the VR experience,  we were doing both projects at the same time.  
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We were eligible for some really interesting  tax credits with the Canadian government. If  
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you work on documentary films or VR experiences,  which is virtual experiences, you're eligible for  
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some percentage. You get some tax breaks with the  Canadian the government. But in order for you to  
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do that, you have to get audited. So we did and we  passed. So I said I got audited and I passed. So  
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I don't do anything wrong. I I I wouldn't have  done all that and then suddenly decided to go  
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into some criminal activity out of nowhere, you  know? It's like check this out. Like so I didn't  
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do anything wrong and I have receipts for that.  So, uh, he he said, "Well, whatever the case is,  
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nobody would come after you like this unless you  did something really wrong." And so, eventually,  
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they sent us a legal document that said, I can't  get into I wish I could get more in detail. It's  
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literally said, "We demand that you send us all  written communications that you've had with Bob  
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Lazar." What? I have that on paper. It's a court  document. Oh my god. From the Quebec Supreme  
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Court. I have that on paper. So, I'm not inventing  this. Okay. So, when I showed that to my lawyer,  
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that's when he said, "Yeah, that's that's weird."  He goes, "I've never seen that before." He goes,  
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"That's that's like another level right there." He  goes, "Now I'm start." Because he didn't believe   this whole, by the way, he doesn't even believe in  flying saucers. So when I told him, I said, "I'm  
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working on this thing." He's like, "Yeah, yeah,  you're you're flying saucer thing." Like for him,   it's like, "You're you're you're you're crazy,  you know, right?" And whatever. But he knows me  
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as a businessman. He knows what I've done in the  past. And so he's like, "All right, whatever. As   long as you know you you're capable of making a  making a dollar with it, good for you." Anyway,  
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he said that is a strange request. Very. Yeah.  Yeah. And the fact that it specifically your  
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correspondence with Bob Lazar, it specifically  mentions only with Bob Lazar. Weird. Yeah. So,  
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you can't you can't make that up. I can't I can't  invent that. Okay. So, so, uh, you know, I had  
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a lot of people go like, "Ah, you know, you're  trying to make it sound like you're, you know,  
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somebody who's coming after it's [ __ ] whatever."  I'm like, "What am I trying to do here? I'm trying  
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to go against my own company. What am I crazy or  something? There's the That's insane." So, yeah,  
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we did have problems. Uh, we're still fighting  them. I'm I'm I could say a lot more. I won't. But  
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it's been a very weird last year and a half, let  me tell you. And part of the reason why we were  
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so delayed was also part of all this. And I really  had to stay quiet. I had to stay quiet. My lawyer  
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told me to stay quiet for uh in order to protect  the company and to protect the project. Uh,  
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I have a lot of people that work with me here that  rely on me, rely on us here to to be uh, healthy,  
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whether that be healthy financially, healthy as  a company. I don't I'm not a lone wolf here. So,  
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I feel they have families, they have their own  lives. I I I don't want to put any of my people at  
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risk. So, I've been very cautious, very careful,  and very quiet. But I can tell you that it I've  
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never experienced anything like this in my entire  career. So I'm happy that we were finally able to  
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get the film past a certain point. I will also say  that I'm very happy to say that we were able to  
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circumvent the many m landmines that were placed  in front of us by very very dishonest people who  
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call themselves film distributors. Uh and they  also tried to hurt this launch of this film.  
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I can tell you that uh I learned a lot from that  and uh maybe one day I'll say more about that,  
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but there's a lot of very dishonest people out  there. We were able to circumvent that, get an  
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incredible deal with Amazon and it's coming out  April 3rd. We're very happy about that. Uncensored  
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and exactly as it should have been. So very happy  to say that. Yeah, that's exciting, man. And I  
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mean, all of that work, all that time, sacrifice,  everything. It's It's going to be April 3rd is  
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going to be a big day for you. It's going to be a  big day for the UFO community, too, man. I mean,  
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you know, the last time we really had Bob Lazar  in the, you know, the limelight was when film  
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came out. That's right. Um, and this story keeps  building and more and more of it. It's like the,  
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you know, the judicial system with the two Yeah,  that's right. two scales. Yeah. And and I feel  
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every five years or so, the validation of Bazar  keeps getting heavier and heavier in a good way.  
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So, I'm I'm really looking forward to it. Let's  head on over to Patreon to get to these burning  
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listener questions. But, um, like you mentioned,  you you have your own streaming service as well  
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that's going to be the doc will be on. um besides  Amazon and everything. So, uh last question. What  
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do you hope people will truly take away from your  film S4 and when and where can they find it? So,  
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well, okay. Well, what I hope is people enjoy it.  I think uh that the the biggest thing I hope they  
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can take away from it is to finally see it in the  in in its most accurate format. This is without  
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a doubt, as Bob says, that is it. That is what I  saw. Exactly as I saw it. So there's no more gray  
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zones. There's no more inconsistencies or he might  have said this or did he say that? That's it. So  
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at least it will provide it will dot the eyes,  cross the tees, make sure everything is clear  
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and you finally you finally get to see it. So,  and you get at least a little entertained by it.  
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I hope so, because we tried to make it as fun  as possible. So, that's that's number one. So,  
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I really hope people enjoy it. And I we put a  big emphasis on showing a little bit of Bob's  
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past and present in his personal life. Something  that we've never seen before. He's was gracious  
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enough to open up to us, show us a lot of things  about back when he was a child. and then things  
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that he does today. Things that we don't usually  we haven't had the opportunity to see with Bob  
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Lazar. And it's gonna it's gonna certainly add a a  level of humanity to the man. He's not just a UFO  
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guy. He's not just that guy who came out years ago  and exposed Area 51. That's not really Bob Lazar.  
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That was just a little piece of his life that  just so happened to become a historical moment.  
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But uh you'll get to see the the man himself,  the person, the human being behind this whole  
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story. And there's a there's even a scene uh  in the film where there's there's a there's I  
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don't want to say an emotional Bob Lazar,  but you'll you'll see a human Bob Lazar,   and it's it's actually pretty cool to see that.  So that's what you'll get in the film and it'll be  
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available on Amazon video worldwide on April 3rd.  You could rent it or purchase it and uh it'll also  
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be available on our new platform which is going  to be called WAN we are not alone. And on that  
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platform you will see you will have the film on  Amazon it'll be subtitled in multiple languages.  
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on our platform, it'll be dubbed in 20 languages.  So, you're you're gonna have it in Mandarin,  
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Cantonese, Vietnamese, Japanese, Russian,  Polish, Italian, German, all those languages,  
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dubb professionally dubbed on on that platform.  So, it'll be it'll be cool for somebody outside  
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of of the North American territory to watch it  in their own language. That's really important,  
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man. It it it does open this story up globally  because this is a global phenomenon and mystery.  
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So, I love that. I love that. We we will have uh  links in the show notes uh to the film on both  
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your platform and Amazon as well. But um yeah,  let's head over get to these burning listener  
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questions. Uh but before we go, uh Luigi,  thank you so much for joining us today here  
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on Somewhere in the Skies. Thank you, Ryan. It's  a real pleasure. It was great to meet you as well.
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Heat.
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Heat.