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Chapter 2: Henry Zebrowski Joins Somewhere in the Skies
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independent content. And I hope you'll  continue to join me somewhere in the skies
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Spectre Vision Radio. [music] While our  government's official position is not to  
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speculate on this subject, we [music] can choose  to let our minds explore other possibilities,  
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to use our imaginations. [music] For if  we consider that astrocientists agree on   one point that the possibility of life  elsewhere is not only quite probable,  
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some feel it is there without a doubt.  Let us suppose [music] then that these  
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objects are real space vehicles extraterrestrial  origin and not an illusion of the mind. [music]
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This is somewhere [music] in  the skies with Ryan Sprag.
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Henry from last podcast on the left. I have been  waiting forever, man. We We've been our ships  
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have been passing for years now and it's finally  happening. It's finally happening. It really means  
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something to me because I People ask me all the  time like, "What do I listen to?" like in terms   of what do I get information from? And I listen  to you. Somewhere in the Skies is probably one of  
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my is like one of my favorite pure UFO podcasts.  And so I'm just happy to be here. Wow. Thanks,  
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man. You do such good work. You know what I and  I will say because I listen to the witness when   you do the the the witness accounts like that is  some of my favorite like I don't know what it says  
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about me, but I listen to it sometimes to go to  sleep in hotel rooms. Like I'll listen to it and   talk and then like I have crazy ass dreams like  as I go like because I find the I find every one  
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of those like I mean they're very very compelling  but like you have the nice soothing music and then   every once be like and then I saw the triangular  object come over the horizon and like it's my  
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version of ASMR and it's like oh done. Hey I get I  actually I get that all the time that I put people  
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to sleep so I don't know whether to take that as  a compliment or not. I get it all the time too.   It's I you know what it is sometimes I'm alone in  a hotel room I'm looking for company and it's nice  
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to have a voice and like the my issue is that  the reason why then I have to stop it is that  
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then I get drawn into a story and then all of  a sudden now I can't sleep because I'm like I'm  
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under the covers just like listening to because  I I find witness accounts to be deeply compelling  
Chapter 3: UFO Witness Accounts & Objects Being Shot Down
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especially like anybody that has like you know we  were just talking about it uh on this week's side   stories about like really the the dividing line  between all these various stories where like if  
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you see an orb in the sky, it could just be tech  that we don't know about unless you have some kind   of emotional reaction because a lot of them to me  the most compelling witness stories are all the  
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ones are like I experienced a wave of emotion  when I saw this thing besides just wonder like  
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literally like hearing a vibe that's like calm  down or like why do you use nuclear weapons and  
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you're like I don't know my My name's Tammy. I'm  from Missouri. I don't know why you're asking me  
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why we use these horrible things. Gray man. It's  true though, man. Like the the biggest question  
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uh that a lot of these people have when they  see these things is why me? Like either they   feel like they were chosen or or even if it  was complete happen stance, like it changes  
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their lives in some ways. So, I'm happy that the  witness accounts resonate with you because look,  
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even when I'm editing those episodes together, I  get so enthralled by the stories that I forget,  
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oh, I'm creating a podcast episode. I'm  not I'm not just listening to this. Um,  
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so I love that. And, you know, we're on I'm coming  out with one uh next week actually, volume 26.  
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up to 26 witness accounts volumes, which shows  truly how prolific and how uh you know how so  
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many people are seeing these things and they can't  explain what it is. Well, look at what we just   we're dealing with right now. We got, you know, we  they're we're shooting [ __ ] out of the sky that  
Chapter 4: Henry’s Acting & Comedy Origins
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we used to sort like, you know, we how did we we  we adjusted NORAD so we could see slower things,  
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smaller things in the sky. And the first  thing we're doing is blowing them up,   which is the first thing it shows that like number  one, they've been there this whole time because we  
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are just turning it on now, right? So we're just  turning the system on now so we can see them,   which means this stuff's been floating up there.  And then also millions probably millions of people  
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have seen something something anomalous that is in  the sky. And it's just weird how like they're all  
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catching up and the first thing that we decide  to do is scramble F22s at it. Yeah. Shoot and  
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ask questions later. It's very American. Let's be  completely honest. But I really feel on the Well,   it talked about it this idea like aren't these  generals afraid? I thought that's what George  
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Schnapp was talking about that he was so scared.  They're all scared of the phenomena. Don't Aren't  
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you afraid to poke the bear? Yeah. Yeah, I  know. Then why are we blowing them up? H We'll  
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go there. I definitely want to get your brutal  thoughts on uh brutally honest, I should say,  
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thoughts on all the stuff going on now. But um I  want to backtrack for just a few moments. I know  
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you've answered these questions a million times,  but for any of my viewers, my listeners who uh may  
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not be familiar with your podcast and the work  you do, um you know, coming from New York City,  
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I was a playwright most of my life. So, I'm always  interested to uh to meet and meet other people who  
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act who who are into the uh the acting world.  So, I got to ask before we even get to UFOs,  
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uh how did you get interested in acting? How  did that whole journey start for you? Oh man,  
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I am just not a skilled person. I think that's  how it started. Uh I think that I was a ham as  
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a little boy and I immediately got a form of  positive validation outside of my parents,  
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right? My parents were obviously I was a kid that  like, you know, like many kids born in the mid 80s  
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was immediately diagnosed with ADHD. They're all  like, "Oh, he's got or ADD, I think they used to  
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call it, you know, and they're like because I was  very energetic and probably ADD." But what my mom  
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did was that in order to like fix me, what she  just said, instead of putting them on Riddlein   like they did with half of our generation, they um  just tied me to things, right? Like my mom would  
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literally I would be like a high security prisoner  everywhere I went. I used to have two leashes on   me. I had a leash on my wrist. I had a leash on  my belt. I was walking everywhere. I was like,  
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"What's this?" Steve Bushmi from Conair, right?  Like that's how I was put everywhere. Um,   and I think that obviously exhausted my  parents, but then everyone else was like,  
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"Oh, your your son's a little star. He loves to  act." And I did immediately. And I remember the  
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first act the first acting job I got was in third  grade because I was a baby model for a second,   but then I was fired from being a baby model  because I wouldn't take direction, which I don't  
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even know what that means. I don't even know what  even like to this day that means I guess I was   tearing [ __ ] up. Like I literally was like an  uncontrollable I was like a little Mickey Roor.  
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Um but uh I got my first role in a third grade  play where I played an alien that was dressed  
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like Santa Claus and I got the part because I  was the first I was the only kid who didn't need  
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the pillow for the Santa Claus costume and I was  willing to do it. So boom. What I first learned,  
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the first rule about acting I learned was have no  shame and just be willing to do what others won't.  
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And you'd be really surprised what comes your way.  Uh if as long as you really allow yourself to get  
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pretty gross with it. And then later on, I think  it really it came from um just a genuine uh deep  
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vacuous hole inside that needed to be filled with  attention. But then I weaponized it in a way that   really worked for me. And then I also love it.  I just love to enter. I love to be funny. I used  
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to talk so much in class that they gave me like  10 minutes at the end of the day. I had a fifth   grade teacher who used to give me like a set that  I could just do at school and then I just started  
Chapter 5: The Origins of The Last Podcast on the Left
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doing drama when I was 15 and it just has been  this way ever since. And I went to Florida State   University, which wasn't really like an acting  school, but like I had good teachers that were  
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all like, "Go, you should guys who just need to  go to New York." And so my sketch group, my sketch   comedy group that was together called Murderfist,  we went to Florida State University together and  
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then we all moved to New York and then it it  went from there. All right. We just keep going.   And I just love it. You know, it's just been  I'm very lucky in the fact that uh we have no  
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connections. I think we are possibly the I don't  know how what the opposite of a Nepo baby is.  
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Um, we are the exact opposite. We're a not  wanted full adult. Like, we were actively  
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told don't join show business, but now we've  been doing it for long enough that uh we just  
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kind of weasled our way in there. That's awesome,  man. Well, and you guys you you filled, I think,  
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a void that was desperately needed in a lot of  this sort of um podcasting world we live in.  
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You know, you've got these UFO podcasts, you got  these true crime podcasts, you've got all these   things that take it way too seriously. We started  this 12 years ago, Last Podcast on the Left. So,  
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those of you who don't know, I I co-host a show  called Last Podcast on the Left, which is a comedy   podcast about true crime, paranormal, serial  killers, everything that is within what we view  
Chapter 6: Building a Podcast & Staying Consistent
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a giant mal umbrella, you know, with all horrors  imagined and real is like how Marcus put it. And  
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when we started there was none of that. We were  we call ourselves second wave cuz the first wave  
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was like Adam Corolla, Joe Rogan was only about  a year before us. Mark Maron was about a year  
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before us and they were doing one thing and at the  time the only concept that was out there was hyper  
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what you were saying hyper truly hyper serious.  It was either well we used to make fun of true  
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crime voice. We're like in Springville, no one  ever locked their doors, you know, like. And now  
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like we we started as an adverse reaction to that  very very heavy content because we knew we were  
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the people that were interested in this subject  matter and we're going to talk like it. So, we   know that the people that are act the people that  were actually into this stuff talk the way that  
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we did joking about it because Gallow's humor kind  of comes with the territory and over time the show  
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has really gotten thicker and thicker and thicker  because number one, we know we want to be true to  
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our audience and we want them to know that we are  like digging hard like we're working real hard to   stay up with the times and have that show be as  as thick as it possibly can be. And it's weird to  
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watch an entire two the entire genre grow around  you. All of a sudden there's true there's comedy,  
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paranormal, true crime shows everywhere and you're  like I don't we started that but I didn't know it   would keep going and so we're just here now.  It's like 12 years later. It's like it really  
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just like we just put our head down to we put our  head down to work like 12 years ago and it's like   we keep lifting our head up. We're like what? Holy  [ __ ] Okay. Oh [ __ ] And so we just keep doing  
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it. We we just love doing it. Well, and that and  it shows and you know, I think what happens in the  
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podcasting world and I learned this early on. Um,  you know, I'm only like three years in, so that's  
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nothing compared to something what you guys have  achieved. But you've done a lot for years. Well,  
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thank you. I appreciate I've never missed a single  week. Um, and that's something I'm holding. I've   never experience a day off. And then it's fine. As  long as you just never once experience a day off,  
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then it's like you're not missing the you're not  missing the weekend if you never have one. You   know what I mean? Exactly. Exactly. As long as  you sacrifice your health, your relationships,  
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you'll have a successful P. No, I'm just It's that  easy. It's that easy. It's that easy. Well, that's  
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kind of my point is you see so many people trying  to podcast and after one or two, three episodes,  
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they're like, "Oh, this is way too much work  or I'm not making money off of this." Like,   I'm done. And we didn't make a dime. Oh, yeah.  Of course, we didn't make a dime for seven years.  
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We did the show for free at that level for seven  years. But mostly, it was again, it was because I  
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didn't know I didn't know what else to do. We were  so interested and we was like, why would we stop?  
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we're we already we're into it. We're watching the  audience grow and we felt good about doing it. So,  
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we're like, we're just gonna keep doing it. And it  also it it's reiterating the same lesson that I've  
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learned in the this business that I'm in, which  is if you want something to be there for you,  
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you have to make it. And then you have to  show up every day and you have to make it  
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the job you want it to be without like you know  now it's more like understanding putting making  
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sure you're feeling the joy with it as you go but  you know we made it a job. Yep. And we now we're  
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like accidental experts in all of this stuff. Sort  of. It's more like people ask me stuff and I don't  
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even realize like what I know anymore because of  all the years of reading all of this. You know,  
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I don't remember my niece's birthday, but I know  a lot about UFOs. But you remember what date,  
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you know, the Roswell crash happened? I'm the  same way, man. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well, hey,  
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let's go there. Not Roswell. Um Roswell's been  done to death, but I was listening to one of  
Chapter 7: The Trinity UFO Crash
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your more recent episodes uh on the Trinity  UFO crash. What do you think of this thing?  
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I find it very interesting. That's my question  for you. It's I I think that there is a reason  
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why because now we're talking about like this new  group. What's what's the new the new UAP group?  
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It's not a tip. What's a Yeah. Arrow. Arrow. And  that what they decided was like as they're going  
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through this database. I've been listening to a  lot of Jacqu Valet, right? And I love Jacques,  
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right? I love him. I think he's brilliant.  um he he can talk for a long time and it's  
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very esoterically you have to kind of peel apart  because he's much smarter than us. And so I hear  
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I'm trying to listen to him talk and he was kind  of talking about how he was a part of the team  
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that put together the artificial intelligence like  aggregate software to put together this database  
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of information that this new group ARO is going  to use for witness testimony from both inside the  
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military and out. And then it's that question of  like well if Roswell started 1947 they're talking  
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about all this shit's now going to start 1945. So  I guess like there's somebody in the Pentagon that  
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decided that that Trinity experience was strong  enough to be the actual be the beginning marker  
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of what we call modern UFOs like you know and  and it's very interesting. I feel like the the  
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the main thing that uh that compels me is the  physical evidence like the idea of like some  
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kind of object bounced off a control tower. Uh is  very it you know we know that that hap something  
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bounced off a control tower. They said that that  definitely happened. The weird thing with the the   the cleared out all of the rubble, like you know,  obviously the quoteunquote men in black showed up,  
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cleared it all up, but then like a bunch of  poisonous plants being buried there or and  
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planted there to keep people away. That was like  one thing they said that that might have happened.   There's something about it. And having those kids  have like, you know, those now old men have the  
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memories of seeing this thing and experience this  thing is also very compelling. And I, you know,  
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it just shows that what we're dealing with right  now, whatever it is that's happening in our skies  
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right now over in North America, like this is  this might be something attached to it. Like  
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this might be something because if we can blow  them up, maybe they can also crash if it is what  
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we think it is. Or if it's like, you know, what's  her name who wrote this story about the Area 51  
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who said that the actual answer to Roswell was  that it was surgically altered prisoners from  
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Russia. Annie uh Annie Jacobson. Annie Jacobson  saying that he was sending these things over,  
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which I think is a far crazier explanation than  aliens. Dude, I Well, okay. So maybe it's the same  
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[ __ ] Maybe. I don't know. Because they said they  saw the little people coming out of it. So maybe   like in 1945 the Trinity crash. So maybe they're  saying that that's what that is. You bunch bunch  
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of confused Russians just out of surgery just  going like oh [ __ ] the hell did we get we were  
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at summer vacation and then all of a sudden now  they're getting like they're just getting scooped   up and dropped off at Doulce and you have no clue  why they're there. They being put in as a big tank  
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just being like [laughter] we are not aliens. We  are just from other country, you know, and no one  
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will. And they're like, "Exactly. We got you.  We got you." Bagged and tagged, dude. I mean,  
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well, and that's you bring up a good point that's  far more disturbing than even aliens crashing on  
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our planet. if we were you if some country whether  it's Russia or US there's even stories that um we  
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were using you know mentally disabled children and  putting them up in these high altitude balloons  
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to see those scientists are going to go up yeah  those scientists are going to get cancelled and   I think they need to be really careful about  because those I mean it does obviously seem to  
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help in touring numbers but when it comes down  to they'll never be able to surgically alter   mentally handicapped people for NB BC ever again.  And that's the worst fate you can imagine. But no,  
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it's really it's more that the idea of the links  that the whatever information that was planted  
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back in the day talking about the this incident  was kind of it's kind of interesting how they  
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show the links they'd go. I feel the same way  kind of about like this is where we get in real  
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conspiracy territory where like the idea that  like you make the things inside of MK Ultra so  
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unbelievable that no one would believe you if  you even told them. So you create this crazy  
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inner inner inner secret like what like you know  we what LRH LR Huard like kind of cemented with  
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the Zenu reveal which is the ultimate you've  been here for so long you've been researching   these things so long you've given me so much of  our li of your life I'm not going to show you the  
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the quote unquote real inner secret and it's this  whackadoo like sort and now it's too late cuz now  
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you kind of have to buy it invested now you're  invested. But yeah, I don't know because yeah,  
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like the idea of where's the information chain  in Russia? Where is the the series of memos  
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of finding the mentally challenged kids to do  the surgery on? Who was the surgeon? Where did  
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they do the surgery? Where are the other UFO like  objects they would use? That was like, you know,  
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I I was listening to one news report talking about  how like if what we're seeing over North America   is high-tech from other countries, would they not  have wanted to demonstrate total domination over  
Chapter 8: UFOs, Government Narratives & Psyops
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the aerial space a long time ago? Why would they  be waiting to just let it float over above Alaska?  
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Wouldn't they be using this [ __ ] So, I feel  like it's the same thing with with Roswell where   and and what happened there where like I feel  like we would have seen a lot more of them if  
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they had this stuff, but like and out in the open  that you would have seen Stalin riding one like a  
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like a cowboy just to show everybody he has one.  Yeah, absolutely. Well, and it's such a uh a weird  
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game and we're seeing it play out right now, too.  this this mysteryy's been with us you know even  
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before Roswell and it's a matter of how will you  know the government or the various intelligence  
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agencies use that mystery to their advantage and  I think that's kind of what we're seeing play out  
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right now is they're not saying you know they're  all surveillance they're not saying they're all   balloons they're saying they're unidentified  objects and what does that mean to most people  
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aliens freaking UFO. Yeah. So, it's they doing  Yeah. They wanted they wanted the confusion, but  
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they now it's like the buck got passed to us to  figure out why. Why are you saying the word UFOs?  
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All I've heard the word all I've heard is the word  UAP since December, 2017 when those videos came  
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out. Like, all we've heard is UAP. And then all  of a sudden, as soon as we start shooting them,   we're calling them UFOs, you know? Like, now it's  now we're calling them that. But I I actually I  
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really I I I guess that's that's what's so hard,  right? Is that conspiracy thinking is taking  
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desperate points and trying to string together  a story because there's a vacuum in information.  
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And so it seems that they are purposely doing  it with a lack of information. Now, number one,  
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does it mean that they don't have that information  at all? Because that's a part of me like is it  
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just general confusion? Is there as full aams  razor to this where you got old man Biden who  
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is just as scared of this stuff as everybody else  is and they legitimately don't know what it is,  
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right? Because to me I would first say like if  they didn't know what it was, they probably would   have called it a balloon. I think that they we've  seen this time and time again that they've they've  
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just actively lied. But at least with Roswell, I'm  gonna come repeat this joke that I did this week,   but it was like at least with Roswell, they gave  us the the credit of giving us a reacharound by  
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like dropping off some fake wreckage. At least at  least they like that was I was saying it's like  
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show me a balloon and I'll you know or two are  they doing this for some counter espionage deep  
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like some some propaganda reason to flex to China  to flex to Europe to flex to Russia like I don't  
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know and then on some level it just makes me tired  because the one thing I know for a fact that Now,  
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but hearing them all talk about it makes me think  when you insinuate that it's UFOs and aliens,   I know it's not because you're not going to say it  until you get one voting for you. You know what I  
Chapter 9: The Hopeful Side of UFO Disclosure
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mean? Like, you're not going to get one. You're  not going to I know you're not going to say it   until it is a we're going to have a full roll out.  It's going to be like showing that like Tupac's  
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still alive. He's going to come out. You're going  to have that next to like, you know, everybody's   favorite Melissa McCarthy. they're gonna intro  the alien to society, you know, like they're  
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gonna come out and say something where that's my  view where like if you start saying the word UFOs,   it's like now you're just lying to me in my [ __ ]  face. Yeah. Like what's going on here? Like why  
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are you doing this? Because I know you're doing  this for a reason and I don't know what it is.   And and maybe it's because you know we we brought  it up this week about like covering you know like  
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not necessarily wanting to get too deep into the  fact that there was a mass massive chemical spill   in Ohio. Maybe it's something like that. But it  seems to also tie into just this whole thing, this  
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whole like new system as a whole, their new their  new system of thought of like embracing UFOs,  
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which I mean I think for some is really cool.  I've loved on your show of you talked about the   hopefulness of it and you hope that it will bring  some like much needed light and legitimacy to the  
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subject where we can get some real like real money  to actually investigate it and real people to   actually willing to put their names on it and say  I'm willing to invest I'm willing to investigate  
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it for for for quoteunquote reasons you know  now that it's legit I'll do it or are they just  
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doing it to bring it further closer to the vest  being like now we got it now yeah don't worry  
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We got Don't worry, we're handling all of this.  Meanwhile, it's just more SCOPs that we're being  
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subjected to and which I and and I'm not quite  certain what the purpose of the scops are. Yeah.  
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I No one is. And I mean that you're so right.  I mean, if they can keep a hold and control the  
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narrative, then that's what they've been doing all  along. But I think what we're seeing sort of play  
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out, Henry, which is the hopeful side of me. No.  And you know even more than I do, like I'd love  
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to know like what is the what is the hopeful  like angle of this? Like it's hard cuz there's  
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there's very little to be hopeful about when  you kind of got your hopes up in 2017. I mean,  
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there's no denying that story that broke in 2017  like was huge. and it'll be the story for the UFO  
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for UFO history. However, everything after that,  it's what happens after and we're getting groups  
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within the Pentagon. We're getting um Congress  people uh talking about it. We're we're a lot  
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has happened and now we're at the point where  we're shooting them out of the sky and not   telling the public what we're shooting out of  the sky. That's all it gives me a headache, man,  
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thinking about it. But the thing I'm hopeful  about Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. The the thing I'm  
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hopeful about is um the ripple effect after that.  It's the people who, like you said, were inspired,  
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these scientists who are like, "Whoa, there's  something to this." So, when you see someone like,  
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you know, Eric Weinstein or um uh Avi Loe being  like, "Yo, there's there this is legit now. I can  
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actually talk about this because I think there's  something to it." Cool. And then what? Then what  
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happens? Harvard funds Avi Lobe to go look for  techno signatures of alien artifacts which is a  
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ripple effect of everything that's happened post  2017. So that's kind of the stuff I'm hopeful  
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about you know. No, me too. And I because I I  the one thing about this subject matter is that  
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I think obviously there's there is a contingent of  people who are like don't we have more important   things to focus on? which I mean like sure sure  yes there is there's a lot of there's a lot of  
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[ __ ] going on uh to put it lightly there's a  lot going on but there's something about this this  
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avenue of thought that I think can give humanity  hope past just Basos like f like you know needing  
Chapter 10: Henry’s “25-Layer Cake” Theory of the Phenomenon
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he's trying to bail on us right like Bezos did a  little trial run to go to space to say the quiet  
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part part out loud of being like I'm going to be  living in space while this rock dies. All right,   bye everybody. And then realized it's real  difficult. Like he got up there and he was like,  
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"Oh, this isn't first class on the the Emirates  flight." Like I did that one time. Like, oh,  
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this is not this sucks. Like, I'm nauseous. Like,  this isn't fun. And so I think that there's that  
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angle that people get, but there's something  about this that shows that like no like in our  
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new godless world like there is something to like  point yourself towards where you're like there  
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is there is more to this. There is more to our  reality as we know it. And yes, I think a lot of  
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it's going to end up just being unexplored areas.  It's just like sticking our head into into closets  
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into places that we have just not been and and  what what it's going to mean and like looking   at life differently. But I think that that's  important. I think it's important to also know  
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that like you know you don't need even a mystical  reason to live. You don't need a it's there   there's life is is is thick and powerful enough  to be examined on its own and it's here right now.  
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Like I think a lot of what we're going to see is  some of the stuff that we're we're that's floating  
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around and our atmosphere is literal living  organisms that we've just never really cataloged  
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before and never known how to look at. And that  like this my whole thing with the phenomena is  
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that it's like a 25 layer cake that has many  different slots and many different things.  
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It is inside one cake and it's got all the flavors  inside of it and each one is true. You know what I  
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mean? Like maybe there are like recon orbs from a  nuts andbolts biological species that it's on its  
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way here. Maybe there is an interdimensional  factor that pops its way in and out. Maybe  
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there is extraloral humans that are traveling and  buzzing us every once in a while in sort of like  
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a haze that they can't fully break through because  of whatever the future technology that allows them   to come and view the past. Who [ __ ] knows?  But I'm open. I am gaped for it. Absolutely,  
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man. I love on all fours. I'm on all fours.  [laughter] Ready to accept the phenomena however  
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it'll take me. As long as you got your knee pads.  I I I been stretching. That's my lower back's been  
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killing me taking this phenomena the last week  and a half. Did everybody in your family message   you? Like how does Can I ask you this on you? I  obviously we're doing an interview after this,  
Chapter 11: UFO Obsession, Family & Relationships
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but like what does your family like? Do  they all like Ryan, what's going on here?  
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Oh, yeah. I mean, it took him a while, I think.  You know, when I kind of it was I threw two  
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curveballs at my family and that the first was  I left pursuing being a professional baseball  
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player to becoming a theater major. I mean, that's  cool, though. That's cool. Well, you're giving up  
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sports. I it's like sports is something else cuz  I I got like I saw my buddies like like I had two  
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friends that were really good at high school  sports and it was like one injury and their   whole career is over. Everything that they've been  preparing for since they were five years old is  
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over. And what has Kirk Douglas shown is that you  can be an actor for forever. Forever, man. It's  
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a forever job if if you let it. If you let it. Um  yeah. So that was the first curveball I threw him.  
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And then it was the I want to pursue UFOs with  every waking moment of my life when I'm not acting  
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or when I'm not playwriting or when I'm not doing  my 9 to 5 job. And uh I think they were a little  
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scared at first. They thought I was going down.  Well, the track record of eupfology is not bright.  
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Exactly. And I know most people about that. You  hold on to your love. You hold on to your love.  
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you make sure you check in. I this I mean it I was  during as these so my wife and I we were having a  
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station. We w we were like we we've been working  real hard for Valentine's Day weekend where it's  
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like we're going to go we're going to go to do  a nice little like stay at a hotel like you know   like let somebody else clean the house for two  days and we'll like be like you know be sexy or  
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whatever. Meanwhile shit's getting blown out of  the sky. I'm watching C-SPAN. Like I'm literally  
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like watching C-SPAN and talking and like doing  my aliens and like Natalie comes in. She's like,  
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"We we need to go on a horse ride. We're supposed  to go to [laughter] a horse ride." And I was like,   "You're right. You're right." And she she  understands. She married me. You know what I mean?  
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Same things. It's like you're already in this  boat. I don't know what to tell you. You're guess   what, baby? You are an unofficial eupfologist  now. Unfortunately, you're you're the first sad  
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that this eupfologist wife maybe. But no, but but  she like she's super into the material, too. So,  
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like as I talk about it, but it is really funny  to try to like be super like romantic and fun   and emotionally connected. Meanwhile, like it's me  just being like, "What's up there, Joe?" Like I'm  
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like yelling at the president's face just being  like, "You're lying to me, Joe." And then come   back and try to make love. It's It's hard, man. I  mean, every day. And I know most of our listeners  
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and viewers probably struggle with that too. Like  the these topics take a hold of you because it's  
Chapter 12: The Stephenville UFO Case & Witness Reactions
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a burning curiosity and it could ultimately change  everything about life, about existence if we were  
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to ever get any of those answers. I also I'm  still just counting on that thing that means   we all never have to work ever again. Like let  them just come and then we'll just go up. I'll  
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be a jester for the reptilians. Just like put me I  mean I'll be I'm fine. And they'll be like, I'll,   you know, I don't know what they'll want me to do.  They'll probably put various things up my butt.  
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You know what I mean? I know that that's what they  like. Apparently, that's a thing. I know. Well,  
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hey. Yeah. I mean, my family is so supportive now.  I think, you know, once they saw that the world  
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was now taking it seriously and that there could  be a core phenomenon happening, what that is,  
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nobody truly knows. At least I don't think they  do. Uh that was that was the moment where I think  
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like I could sit at sit at a bar with my dad and  you know instead of like watching the the Detroit  
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Lions or something we're having a conversation  about the Rendlessham Forest incident or something  
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like that you know taking back the name. He's the  one asking me about it. It It's crazy. It's crazy.   It's kind of nice. I mean I have had to learn  I've learned like four sports names so that I  
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could talk to other men so that I don't always  talk about UFOs. But it is a thing where it it  
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is interesting how the topic really blows stuff  up. Like we went to go uh shoot a little pilot  
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presentation for last podcast the last podcast  network and we went to research on the uh you know  
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the Stevenville Ohio like Stevenville Texas uh the  the group sighting. So, we went down there to go  
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talk to a bunch of people and that's it brings  people out of the woodwork because the they were  
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this it's a very small town in Texas as we were  coming like they were not happy that we were there  
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at first like we were getting a lot of people  like driving past and blowing their horns and   people yelling us at stuff like and then at the  end of it like this pretty hostile but all these  
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guys that were yelling at us we were doing this  bar shoot it they'll be like oh you got an you   do an alien thing. I got a UFO story to tell you.  And then they just like all of a sudden they're  
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they're your best friend and they're saying like  hyper emotional like because again the phenomena  
Chapter 13: Henry’s Own Strange Sighting
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opens people up like there and even these like  hardened Texans are like like talking about how  
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like we were interviewing this like little guy. He  was a sheriff dude. He was like maybe 5 foot tall,  
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like four feet wide though, like a little  jack guy with a crew cut. And he was intense,  
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but like at the end of like he's getting emotional  cuz he was just like it it like it affected him.   He was like watching he was like seeing that thing  up in the sky made me understand that we're not  
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alone in this world. And I was like, damn. Like  it's it it really does have its UFOs have that  
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grassroots kind of emotional effect that like I  just wanted to tell that dude being like all you  
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had to do is take mushrooms one time and you could  have avoided a lot of this mess. Like you really  
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could have gotten a little bit more empathy into  the system, but whatever works. Like if it takes  
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aliens that maybe that's the control system that  Jacqu Valet talks about. Oh, exactly. There's many  
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roads to get to the uh same destination, I think.  And and just being being chill, man. Being chill.  
Chapter 14: Are Black Triangle UFOs Secret U.S. Technology?
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Yeah. And it makes you feel more human. I honestly  feel that whatever these phenomena represent, they  
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put us back in our shoes. When you see a UFO, holy  [ __ ] like you never you've never felt closer to  
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the ground in front of you in that moment. Instead  of scrolling on your phone or thinking about   what's for dinner or how am I going to pay the  next bill, you see that thing in the sky that's  
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not supposed to be there and boom, you're put back  in to the present moment like never before. And  
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that's what I love about it, the immediiacy, the  vulnerability. and someone like you said with this  
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this Texan sheriff like he probably doesn't open  up to anyone like he did. So that's really felt  
Chapter 15: Secret UFO Photos, Videos & Insider Information
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it. He felt it. And I'm just so jealous of you  guys who really have seen something. I finally   saw my first orb and everyone's making fun of  me because they say I didn't see anything. Oh,  
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they said, "Oh, you're drunk." And I was like,  "Uh, I might have been." But also, I know what  
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I saw. I know what I saw. I saw like again it was  like I saw a blob floating down a train track and  
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like you know I saw it down south and they all  got stories of that ghost train. That's a ghost  
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train. You know you're like ghost train. But it's  interesting like that's the closest I ever got   because you saw like an actual like well I want  to cover in our interview but you saw an actual  
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hard object in the sky, right? uh to an extent.  I saw a structured formation of lights that I  
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could not see anything behind it. So I assume it  was a structured craft. Um but I didn't see like  
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machinery. We'll talk about it on last podcast.  But um over under are triangles US tech? What's  
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your overunder on are triangles US tech? I have  a feeling that the triangles are US tech and that  
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the the there's a there's a mixture of like and if  you like straight up it's just like when you see a  
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flying saucer, nobody knows what the hell that is.  Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know. What do you think? I  
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I honestly think with the triangles we're dealing  with man-made craft with some other technology.  
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I I honestly feel like it's the hybrid craft if  there if there is one. Do guys come to you with  
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stuff cuz I get I get some of these and some I  take some I take word for word and some are more  
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like I don't know what you're doing. Like people  being like I got secret information for you. I  
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got secret pictures. I got videos that you can't  share and do when you see that stuff like what do  
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you do with it? Like does it just inform like it's  informed me I don't know what's real or what's not   real. It just informed me that the thing is really  deep but it's like is there anything that you've  
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seen that you're not allowed to show that you're  like I'm sorry I flipped this on you. You got to  
Chapter 16: The Trickster Nature of the Phenomenon
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take this from me. You got to take this show from  me dog. [laughter] Pull it back. Pull it back. No,  
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that is a great question because I want to I want  to I want to know from you too. Like I get emails  
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all the time. I get um people sending me whether  it's photos, videos, testimony or documents. And  
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I mean I take everyone and look at it. You know,  I think there's value to anyone who's willing to  
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take the time to reach out to me. Um but it's such  a subjective thing. Like when I get sent something  
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and they say, "Oh my god, man. like this is going  to be earth changing or like this this can't be  
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shown to anyone and then I look and it's a photo  of like just a a blurry light in the sky. Well,  
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cuz I understand that person must have been  freaking out and absolutely there's I'm not going  
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to take that from them. No. And they're taking a  picture. They're like their hands are shaking. to   try to take a picture of a thing which is I don't  know if you've tried to take a picture of what you  
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think is an anomalous light in the sky and then I  take the picture and it just looks yeah awful like  
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it's just not good you know but it they they felt  the feeling of seeing something and then desperate  
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to desperate to catch it and I I I you know cuz  you know you see it on all the subreddits the the  
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main critique which is if they were real wouldn't  we have Tik Tok talk like full like 1080 like  
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HD view of these things and it's like I actually  don't know if we would I don't know whether or not  
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if it is conscious in and of itself it seems if  you do believe in the you know I love the Newkerks  
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Greg and Dana Newkerk do a whole show about like  mixing like all of these sorts of like these these  
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topic topics at once like crypted ghosts aliens  and talk about the capital P phenomena and the  
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idea that like there is a trickster as aspect  that like kind of likes to flirt and it doesn't  
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want you to take a picture of it and it also seems  to be a dance between the object and the viewer or  
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how many times you've seen all of these witness  accounts talking like that same thing being like  
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I felt like it knew I was watching it and it  was doing a the it was doing a performance for  
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me like it was was a demonstration that term you  see you that comes up a lot And so like, so you  
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think that thing's gonna dance around, but doesn't  want you to [ __ ] take a camera, man. It's like   Dave Chappelle. He's trying to work stuff out.  Like, it doesn't want you to be there for it. It  
Chapter 17: Personal Disclosure, Consciousness & Connection
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doesn't want you to nail it down because as soon  as we start nailing it down, I mean, you know,  
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again, you you could have the best HD picture of a  full saucer that you want and there's going to be  
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somebody that's going to take it apart, as they  should. I don't even blame them. I don't even   blame them. Like, sure. Yeah, of course. Attack  it. Go at it. You're supposed to, but it's like,  
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you know, you're not going to make people believe.  Look at this stuff. Look what's been happening the   last like six years is that like, you know, I did  a bit in our live show about like UFOs became real  
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and absolutely nothing changed. So, why don't we,  you know, who cares? It's like, why do they think  
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the theory is such a corporate thing to even  keep it all down? I feel like it's just the   phenomenon is hard to capture. Yeah, absolutely,  man. It it's crazy. And I think that's where the  
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true like disclosure comes. It comes with each  person who sees something. And it uh you know,  
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if we're going to get like metaphysical, like  the true disclosure is from within. Like don't   government entity. Yeah. Exactly. I don't need the  US government and make it legal for me to believe.  
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I'm going to disclose to myself because if I don't  disclose to myself, ain't nobody going to disclose  
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for me. And I think that's what this is about. You  really It's about again it's letting what's the  
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control system supposed to be? It's supposed to be  about looking up at the sky, taking a moment to be  
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with yourself and the universe and you would be  surprised what comes out of that hello. You'd be  
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surprised what comes out of just joining into the  flow of nature. And yes, even if you're, you know,  
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what do you see now on online all the time? People  say touch grass or whatever, but it's like just  
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being out like just looking at the sky looking for  UFOs is going to even accidentally make you more  
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connected to the universe at large. And there's  there's something about that like I don't know   if there's a direct personality baked into the  operating system that is our reality. I don't  
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know if there is something like that like like but  there there's something to be said about how the  
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phenomena is just saying like all we want you to  do is pay attention to your heartbeat for a second  
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like all we want you to do is to pull your head  out of your ass just for a second and not think  
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about all your garbage and just flow flow with  the universe because obviously yeah we're shooting  
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these things out of the sky maybe whatever  this thing is that we're shooting but it's   It's just floating there, you know, [laughter]  like it's not zigzagging around. It's not doing  
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even doing the other [ __ ] It's not even  like turning on nuclear reactors. It's not   doing anything. It's just parked. Yeah. You know,  like, and there's something to be said about that.  
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There's something to be said about like having  a moment of stillness. And this is me saying   it. Lord of [ __ ] chaos that lives in a world of  [ __ ] But it's like it is there's something about  
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that about about literally what Willy Streber  talks about like you know literal communion and  
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what does it mean to jo to to try to to give it up  to nature for seconds at a time. Yeah. And it'll  
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change you. It will. It will. And then you know  like those like you ever have you watched a new  
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documentary series on Netflix about mushrooms? The  famous Paul. It's like it's really interesting,  
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but it's basically just talking about the psychic  qualities of mushrooms speaking to each other that  
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it's not psychic because it's mycelium spreading  throughout the soil. But there's a lot to learn  
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about the way mushrooms behave that probably  are a mirror to how our consciousness works  
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inside of our reality. Oh, interesting. And that  we're not we're remote that our consciousness is  
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remote and that we're all like plugged in.  And then I was just reading, do you know,   you ever read Jean Wolf? You ever read Shadow  of the Executioner and all that kind of stuff?  
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I was reading a short story by him last night  and him talking about like in this future that   they understand that like they struggled for years  to to isolate particles and saying how like they  
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used to call them electrons and protons and now  we understand there's only one basic element and  
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one basic particle and we are all it and it's  all happening at the same time. And I was like,  
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I know I'm high as balls right now, but I do  believe that this is like more towards the truth  
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than not that it's like this thing, you know,  that that it's very wooy woo, very fern gully,  
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but I do think that there there's something to  it. Interesting. Oh, I have to check that out. Um,  
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well, man, his short stories are great. Gene  Wolf great. He's he's the he he freaks me out.  
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Yes, to a to an extent where I think um it it  freaks you out, but it also again it makes you  
Chapter 18: Listener Questions
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think and it makes you wonder and that's what this  is all about. So h I love it. Well, hey, I got a  
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couple. You got me positive. You got me positive  because it was good cuz I screaming. It's so nice  
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and I'm still screaming but I'm happy. [laughter]  I Hey, if that's what this conversation is for,   then we've both done our jobs. I got to get my  blood pressure checked on Friday. I don't know  
Chapter 19: Henry’s Advice for New Podcasters
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what it's I'm I am afraid. Oh no. I don't know  what to do. Oh no. Stay away from C-SPAN. I'll  
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tell you that. Oh god. Um All right, my man. So um  we're going to head over to LA last podcast soon,  
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but I got to get some listener questions in for  you before we go if that's cool. Absolutely.  
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Awesome. Awesome. So, uh, Black Cat Report on  Patreon asks, "What advice would you give to  
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a new podcaster trying to grow a community?"  I know we touched on that earlier, but yeah,   any anything you can really say to someone who's  just getting involved in the podcasting world? You  
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have to have a naive attachment to doing the show.  Like, you really need to ask yourself to like,  
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do I want to do this all the time and really love  it like and and get into it? And the main the key  
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is showing up same time, same place each week,  every week, being dependable. There really is a  
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the internet has a little bit like I was talking  about somebody the the internet is a medium and  
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the fact that like you can build a trust with  an audience that you that film and TV can't and  
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it's building a place for people to go and it's  really being there, you know, rain or shine,  
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you know. I I remember when I was starting to  do comedy in New York. I think the same axiom  
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applies where it's like you do the same show for  three people that you do for 5,000 people. Like  
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you do the same show because you're really just  trying to you should be so in love with the craft  
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of it that you're willing to move forward and you  just you do it sustainably. Like that's what it's   like. make it a way that it's sustainable for you  and you do it regularly and then all of a sudden  
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you're just going to wake up and you're going to  have a whole body of work and there's going to be   a bunch of people there too. Lose yourself in the  in a little bit of the work but in a 2023 mindset  
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mindset like you do need to create space for  yourself as well. Like you do, you got to you got  
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to like play a video game, walk away. Like you got  to like do that stuff so that it it is something  
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you're super excited about coming back around to  and doing. Such a good point. And try and do what  
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works and drop what don't like literally there's  nothing sacred. I think that's also an important   thing too is like there's nothing sacred. If the  episode sucks, scrap it, redo it. If they got to  
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wait for it, if they got to wait for it, then  they'll wait for it because it's better for you  
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to show up with the [ __ ] good versus like it's  all it's whatever. You know what I mean? Like,  
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yeah, just put out there. It's like especially  in the beginning stages, like really really go   for it because when we started, we didn't under we  didn't fully grasp that everything was going to be  
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permanent, you know? Like we sort of thought it,  but we didn't really understand that it's there  
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forever. So yeah, that's it. Yeah, I love it. I  love that, man. That's good advice for me, too,  
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actually. [ __ ] I wish I knew. [laughter]  We all do. Uh Jonathan asks, uh, actually,  
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we had quite a few people ask this question. What  is your favorite case? What case would you put  
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before a skeptic or the public at large to be  like, you need to pay attention to this? Like,  
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it's documented. Something truly anomalous is  happening. Do you have like a case you kind  
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of would hang your hat on? I mean these days I  would put it towards uh Rendlessham. I still think  
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Rendlesshim is is I love I love that story. There  is there is a lot to that story mainly because of  
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the nature of where it happened like it happened  at this like the essentially like a place for us  
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to hide our nuclear weapons in Europe like like  it it's very compelling. I think I think that's   really interesting. a bunch of people who were  trained to observe or people who saw it. I think  
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that also points towards a little bit of physical  evidence. Um a whole bunch of people there to kind   of account for it happening. I think it's  interesting. And I think the aerial school  
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group sighting in Zimbabwe is also harrowing and  just again it points more towards the physical  
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slash psychic nature of the phenomena and there  there's that a bunch of kids all seeing the same  
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thing drawn pictures of it independently  there there that story freaks me out.  
Chapter 20: Henry’s Favorite UFO Cases: Rendlesham & Ariel School
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uh because everything else kind of gets mired  and stuff like you have everything else there's  
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so much noise around it and also kind of what  Shakallet was doing in Brazil all of those stories  
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are very again he's a legit researcher telling  these stories and it there's but yeah I think  
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Rendlessham and Ariel school are like my favorites  in terms of like the these are hyper these are  
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very very compelling Especially when I bought that  like 250 to like was it 2500 page self-published  
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book that the guy wrote about the information  that was like downloaded into his head after he  
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touched the craft and you're like man this guy did  something happened to this guy. I don't know what  
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happened but he is he got busy. I I have I got  to write a comic book and each one's 22 pages and  
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it is difficult the idea of writing 2500 pages.  Something happened. Something happened out there,  
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man. It's definitely one of my favorite. I'm  hoping to actually get to the forest soon since   I'm here. You gotta go. I gotta go. I know. I  gotta take advantage of it for sure. Do it for  
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the show. Then you make then you can just leave  it work like cuz like we used to do those all the   time. I kind of miss doing the remotes cuz then  you could kind of mix it up with people and do  
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interviews on the ground and like I'm certain  that you'll dig up a bunch of like people that   were there. Like it it sounds really that would  be incredible. Yeah, I'm on it. I'm on it, man.  
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You've inspired me. I got I just got to learn how  to drive on the other side of the road. I'm very   scared. I wouldn't do I don't know. I'm not ready.  Last time we were in Europe, I I wanted to try I'm  
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with one time I have a vision of doing like a a  driving trip around Europe. I think that would be  
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fun to do, but uh get used to get used to it. You  do. You do. Um All right, last listener question,  
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Henry. I know we got to get we got to wrap  things up here shortly. Um, do you uh Oh,  
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here we go. Does Henry agree with Jacques Valet's  Oh, there you go. He said the golden name, Jacqu  
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Valet's position on the phenomenon as outlined  in Passport to Monia, or do you have your own  
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theories about what we're dealing with? Well, I  talked a little bit about it, but I do think that  
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uh let's just say I've had chemical help with  this, but I also understand it's very wooy woo.  
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But I really do believe that anything that you  can imagine is real at some point, some place,  
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some dimension. that things are just real that  that that you could if you thought of it, you   almost kind of just made it real somewhere. Like  I really think that there there's something to and  
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that there's so many layers to the phenomena that  I think Jacqu Valet is like that's the one I like  
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because I really appreciate the concept of there's  a half a world that we're not paying attention to  
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which is like the psychic realm that to me is  again just unexplored science versus wooy woo  
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like It's way more like we just don't really  fully maybe understand or have fully can even  
Chapter 21: Jacques Vallée & Theories About the Phenomenon
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investigate what our observation does to reality  and and like how our group perception dominates  
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reality and then like you know what is an outside  intelligent what is an outside intelligence poking  
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its way into our view of the world and the way  Jacqu Valet paints this concept of like you know  
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charting all of these stories through folklore to  now and equating, you know, little people and and,  
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you know, ogres and and and ghosts and and  different things to what we now view as like,  
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you know, grays and aliens. I think it's just  really appropriate. I just think that it doesn't  
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fit all the way in. So, it's like I think that  whatever we just blew up, if it's not what I said  
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on side stories, I do believe it it's probably  our private tech that we're blowing up. But if  
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it's not that and we're just blowing up these  weird bogeies in the sky, that's something else,  
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too. Like, you know, I don't know what that is.  Like, there's something else. And then like then   I've had listeners say to me cuz like I'm way  into the psychic thing. And then recently I had  
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a listener who was like, "You keep you're honestly  you keep saying the psychic thing, but whoever is  
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abducting me is pretty physical." And it's like,  damn, that's like a whole other thing that I  
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don't particularly understand. I did a a narration  for a documentary about the hybrid program like,  
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and the way these women talk about this, it's the  same as sexual assault. They talk about this like  
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like it would like truly they experience something  and then the the grief and of watching your baby  
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be taken from you and and you could see these gray  there and like is that a psychic projection from  
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something else? I don't know. Is that concrete  concrete reality? They're feeling like it is. So,  
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it's just very it's just it's just so interesting  and it lies at the very weird hazy point of of of  
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observation and what is real, you know, then you  get to the Bill Clinton what does is mean like  
Chapter 22: What Is Reality?
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that very bottom nutrino of logic of like what  is real? And I, you know, I feel like we we're  
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[ __ ] too heavy on it, dog. We're all so [ __ ]  concerned about what's real, dog. When it's like  
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the only thing I know is that like I can't wish  taxes away, even though like I wish I could.  
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They keep that's a persistent thing that keeps  [ __ ] rolling in. [laughter] So, I don't know.  
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I I I mean, who knows? I But yes, of course, Jacqu  Valet I've been heavily inspired by because I also  
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I think that any one explanation is too reductive  over what we're experiencing. Absolutely. I love  
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that. What is real? I think that's a good place  to kind of leave everyone wondering here. Quit  
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your job, man. Yeah, quit your job. Don't be like,  "Fuck Jeff, dude." Oh, Jeff wants you to come in  
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extra on Saturday. Be like, "What is the objective  nature of reality, Jeff?" Sorry. [laughter] No,  
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we have with Ben Kissle, we have our active axiom,  which is time is not real, but schedules are. So,  
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yes, we know time's a construct, but we have a we  have a Zoom link that goes active at 1:45. Okay,  
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let's do it. [laughter] Let's do it. It's  done. It's done. Henry, brother, I know  
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uh we only scratched the surface. I got to get you  back on. Such a fan. I'm so glad to be here. Love  
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the show. Great work. We'll keep going back and  forth. Um, you could tell the other euphologists,  
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I'm sorry if I've made fun of them. Um, that's an  extension of my own insecurity. You could let them  
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know. I know for a fact that it's like cuz we all  have the same Winnie the Pooh shaped body and this  
Chapter 23: Henry’s Current Projects & Closing Thoughts
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is this is how it is. This is just this is the lot  we've been given. That is reality. Yeah, it is.  
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Dude, before you go, please let us know where we  could find everything you guys do over there and   uh where we can learn more about you. Check out  last podcast on the left at LP on the left on  
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all the various socials. Um I uh I have a bunch of  different, you know, projects I'm working on. Like  
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right now if you want to check out I do a show  for Adult Swim called Your Pretty Face Is Going to   Hell. I don't do it anymore. It's been cancelled,  but I just say it out of out of out of just grief,  
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remorse. And then um but we have a new series on  YouTube. We have YouTube uh cartoons versions of  
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it that we've been doing now. Um, and honestly,  we're we're doing a bunch of stuff like like I'm  
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I'm very excited. We're writing a comic book  for Darkhorse called Operation Sunshine. It's  
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a vampire heist story that'll be coming out  in October. Uh, it's really fun, you know,  
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just like just I don't know. Very lucky. And  I'm here, man. I love it. See my [ __ ] See my  
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[ __ ] because I don't really You could look  at my socials, but it doesn't matter. I just   post. [laughter] I basically just advertised for  everything else, so it doesn't really matter. It's  
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all I know it all together. [ __ ] it up. Don't  [ __ ] it up. Well, hey, we're gonna go head   over to your Patreon to continue the conversation.  So, everybody, I don't know when this will go up,  
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but um head over to the last podcast on the  left Patreon. We're going to continue our UFO   conversation over there. And Henry, I can't  wait, man, to have you back on in the near  
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future. Um and we will speak soon. Thank you so  much, brother. Of course, bro. Hey, I'll say it.