Well, always special when we get to do this. Happy to welcome back Congressman Eric Burlson. Uh Eric, it's been a little while since I was able to bring you on here to UAP, so I'm happy to have
0:1010 secondsyou back. Thanks for uh coming back on here.
0:1212 secondsGood to be back, Stephen. You you're really one of the most genuine, kind, and um and and and really um you know,
0:2020 secondsdiligent in this effort. And so, it's good to be back. Good to see you.
0:2525 secondsYeah. Yeah. Likewise, thank you. I appreciate that. Um, well, I guess we'll just jump right into the deep end here.
0:3131 secondsUh, hopefully I'm I'm able to be kind here today. I think I will be. Um, but there's so much that I want to, you know, get to you here with today and obviously your time is valuable. So,
0:4040 secondsjust going to go right into it. There was a I want to bring it up here because I don't want to misquote you. Um, there
0:4747 secondswas a a tweet that you had put out uh about two weeks ago. It was on August 19th. that caught my eye and it caught a lot of people's eyes where you had
0:5555 secondswritten our own agencies went back through every past sighting, asked what draws these things in, then recreated
1:031 minute, 3 secondsthose conditions on purpose at a site with prior activity. And I want to underline that because I want to come back to that. ODNI, CIA, FBI, and military intelligence were all on site.
1:131 minute, 13 secondsSomething showed up. Now this of course is in uh connection to um early reports
1:201 minute, 20 secondsabout military working with FBI and other agencies as you put in there to uh lure in UFOs essentially a UFO luring
1:291 minute, 29 secondsoperation and something showed up. So can you elaborate on that? What c can you tell us about that operation Eric and is it the only one?
1:371 minute, 37 secondsNo I can't say anything. No.
1:411 minute, 41 secondsUm, okay. So, what all so at the the that that event is actually well documented in the first two tranches
1:491 minute, 49 secondsthere and it's the the two documents that most people just overlook, but these to me are the the best most important documents. I think I even
1:571 minute, 57 secondsbrought that up when on one of your previous podcasts is that people are missing this report. And the reason is is because if you're in the know and
2:052 minutes, 5 secondsyou're like you like I have been and and like in these briefings that that event was significant and and um and so and I
2:142 minutes, 14 secondsdo think like I'm reflecting on my own my own comment there um or a better way
2:212 minutes, 21 secondsto put it is what my staff document and then tweets on my behalf is
2:282 minutes, 28 secondsthat it's pro I would say it's not an accurate reflection that to
2:342 minutes, 34 secondssay that we have cracked the cracked the secret code to to bringing in a UFO.
2:422 minutes, 42 secondsOkay.
2:432 minutes, 43 secondsThat that's not I would say just while they they certainly are aware and are
2:502 minutes, 50 secondsare um cognizant of things that tend to when they when you tend to see UFOs,
2:582 minutes, 58 secondswhat are the commonalities? What things correlate with that? So, but I don't think anyone has like officially said
3:053 minutes, 5 secondswhen you hit this button, guaranteed you're going to have a UFO. And so, I just want to make sure that that's kind of um out there.
3:143 minutes, 14 secondsGotcha. Yeah, fair enough. And so I mean is it is it safe to say based off of what you learned though that's there is
3:223 minutes, 22 secondsthere is kind of an an admission through action meaning if the military and threeletter agencies are working
3:303 minutes, 30 secondstogether to try to lure things in now whether or not obviously they were you know they have it perfected like you said
3:383 minutes, 38 secondsthe fact that or maybe can I say fact or the the the you know allegation maybe uh
3:453 minutes, 45 secondsthat they have been doing this. Is that an admission through action?
3:523 minutes, 52 secondsRight. I think that they I think there's an an admission that that this that these events happened
4:004 minutesthat there that there was enough um there was enough reportings to take it credibly and that they they then sent
4:074 minutes, 7 secondspeople to investigate it and those very people happened to see it firsthand. So
4:144 minutes, 14 secondsthat that only that not only happened at that event but that has happened uh in previous investigations by the FBI as
4:214 minutes, 21 secondswell. So in field in in field investigations in in u not on military bases but
4:294 minutes, 29 secondsactually in just private communities this has happened. So and what I say is that UFOs have been cited. They've been
4:384 minutes, 38 secondsthey've been called. They they come to take a look. they come to investigate and the thing shows up right there for them to be able to film and view
4:464 minutes, 46 secondsthemselves. And so this that along with hearing the the information about that event that happened
4:554 minutes, 55 secondsum at the military base and seeing the footage and the video and the photos of the of these kind of glowing orbs
5:035 minutes, 3 secondsin other in other circumstances, putting those two together, it's um it it's brought me from a point of of you
5:125 minutes, 12 secondsknow being a complete and total skeptic to saying, "Look, there's something going on that we cannot explain. Now,
5:195 minutes, 19 secondswill I say that that's that's ET or like an alien from another planet? I can't definitively say that. I don't know. I don't think anybody definitively knows.
5:295 minutes, 29 secondsAnd that's the more disturbing part is that whenever I talk to our intelligence officials about what are these glowing orbs that operate intelligently that
5:385 minutes, 38 secondsthat um don't need like any kind of propellers or any kind of uh you know what would you would call
5:465 minutes, 46 secondsconventional flight means these things just hover statically and then can go instantaneous speeds and
5:535 minutes, 53 secondsthey can take right angle turns. uh when I ask like what do our best
6:006 minutesscientists think that these things are and I get a blank stare that's not good
6:066 minutes, 6 secondsthat's not good right so um but for the longest time I think that this government was afraid to admit that we
6:156 minutes, 15 secondsdidn't know what this stuff was does that make sense like it's like a glomar the term is like a glomar uh
6:236 minutes, 23 secondsresponse which is that if tell you we don't know what it is. We're admitting a vulnerability to an adversary.
6:326 minutes, 32 secondsAnd I think that that is what I think that that personally that may be what we've been experiencing. I think that that the door for me the door is open to
6:416 minutes, 41 secondsthat that this is exactly what we've been experiencing. I'm also I think that it's important that we continue the investigation and look into the historic
6:506 minutes, 50 secondsarchives and try to ascertain was there a legacy program? did how how much work and how much success has been done by
6:586 minutes, 58 secondsprevious administrations pe previous um bureaucrats whether they were with the
7:057 minutes, 5 secondsFBI or CIA or what whatnot was there a legacy program we I think that that work
7:117 minutes, 11 secondsstill needs to continue but what I I to give you kind of an insight what I'm hearing from people that are that are
7:207 minutes, 20 secondsworking um on this topic is that they're not finding that there there that's that seems to be a more difficult job than
7:277 minutes, 27 secondsfinding the craft themselves is finding any kind of documentation that we've had a legacy program.
7:337 minutes, 33 secondsSo that's interesting. Yeah, because obviously that's always one of the big um you know claims is that the legacy program where all the reverse
7:417 minutes, 41 secondsengineering has happened over however many years you want to put on it. Um but so but you're saying that the people who
7:487 minutes, 48 secondsare looking into it haven't found the actual documentation, the smoking gun document that would show them that there
7:567 minutes, 56 secondsis some type of hidden legacy program where this person and that person uh you know were the gatekeepers of it. They
8:038 minutes, 3 secondshaven't been able to find it, right? And I think that that where they're trying to get to what what appears to me is that the focus and the
8:128 minutes, 12 secondsenergy is really trying to get to these objects, get to the physical craft. Um, you know, if and where do they exist and
8:208 minutes, 20 secondsand even if and and then also try to figure out how do we study the craft that have that we're seeing over these
8:298 minutes, 29 secondsmilitary bases and over the, you know, residential skies.
8:338 minutes, 33 secondsYeah. Exactly. because they are being seen of course um there's there's no doubt about that and then when they you know show up during these operations like you said something is showing up
8:428 minutes, 42 secondssomething is happening and you're getting briefed on it so it's not like this is just you know um you know fairy tales that are that are being told to
8:508 minutes, 50 secondskids around a campfire by any means so with with that said just based off of maybe I don't know based off of your own
8:588 minutes, 58 secondsfactf finding Eric can you say do you think that the US has recover recovered craft, maybe not taken
9:059 minutes, 5 secondsdown intentionally or maybe you do want to talk on that, but at least recovered craft with the intention of trying to reverse engineer it.
9:159 minutes, 15 secondsSo, 100% we have recovered craft with the intention of reverse engineering it. I
9:239 minutes, 23 secondscannot say whether any of that craft is non-human intelligence.
9:279 minutes, 27 secondsGotcha. We absolutely have clearly programs in place and I think that that you'd be shocked if we didn't have
9:349 minutes, 34 secondsprograms in place for for recovering and reverse engineering um our adversaries
9:449 minutes, 44 secondscraft or our own. Right. If we have something that's super important and and that and it goes down, we do not
9:529 minutes, 52 secondswant our adversaries to get access to it.
9:549 minutes, 54 secondsYeah. Okay. So, just the program exists. like Jake Barber.
9:599 minutes, 59 secondsJake Barber absolutely um what what he has said that you know and and that you know being that he he
10:0710 minutes, 7 secondsclaims to have been a part of one of these programs or operations that that did multiple operations actually picking up picking up craft. Um
10:1510 minutes, 15 secondsI I I think that we'd all be I don't think you're giving away the farm to say that yes that that clearly exists.
10:2310 minutes, 23 secondsOkay. The um the question is the you know the latter part of what Jake said which is two times he and his his team
10:3310 minutes, 33 secondsthey picked up something that was uh you know otherworldly.
10:3810 minutes, 38 secondsI can't I have yet to confirm that that's real.
10:4110 minutes, 41 secondsAnd you've spoken to him, right? You you've spoken to Jake before. Yeah, multiple. Okay.
10:4610 minutes, 46 secondsWhat do you make of his just your personal opinion? What do you make because I I've never spoken to him. I've only seen the interviews. So I mean what do you make of his story? Vic is
10:5310 minutes, 53 secondsunbelievably an honest individual and probably too honest. I um I think he he
11:0011 minutesin many ways there's a lot of things that he probably would it would have been better for him to have just held back on um if he wanted to be you but
11:0911 minutes, 9 secondsbut but because he is such a genuine and honest person I think that he felt compelled to say. So, for example, when he talked about having feeling an
11:1711 minutes, 17 secondsemotional connection, so and and having some kind of like um you know, I I I'm not going to put words
11:2611 minutes, 26 secondsin his mouth, but you know what I'm talking about. When he spoke to that kind of the feelings that he felt, he felt love and that that connection.
11:3411 minutes, 34 secondsRight.
11:3511 minutes, 35 secondsThat's right. that pro I think I know that people advised him don't bring that up because it just it distracts from the
11:4111 minutes, 41 secondsfrom the narrative and um and he's and his response is look it it was real that I'm I'm going to bring it up because
11:4911 minutes, 49 secondsthat was what um I experienced and I and so I'm just saying just knowing his character and knowing who he is he he's a a person that I trust.
11:5811 minutes, 58 secondsOkay. Yeah, fair enough. And I mean, so of course that leads to the video, right, where we see that uh I believe Ross Colart had put out with that
12:0612 minutes, 6 secondsoriginal interview on News Nation that shows uh purportedly picking up that eggshaped craft, whatever it was. It looks like a
12:1412 minutes, 14 secondsgiant egg. Um, I mean, I I know you said you haven't seen definitive proof, but when you watch that and you talk about
12:2212 minutes, 22 secondsJake as a person and and your read on his story and how he comes across, when you see that and put that all together, do what do you think we're looking at?
12:3112 minutes, 31 secondsUm, I mean, I don't know, Stephen, until I until I get get um, and that's what
12:3912 minutes, 39 secondswe're trying to track down. trying to find where did these things go and and where are they at currently. So I think
12:4712 minutes, 47 secondsthat uh I think Grush and Jake knew where they where these things were at some point. Um I I would say that that
12:5712 minutes, 57 secondswe don't definitively know where they are today because because things are being moved.
13:0313 minutes, 3 secondsSo I I'm glad you mentioned David Gush actually because that is a name I wanted to bring up here. He had a pretty revealing interview and I brought this up with Jordan Flowers from the uh
13:1213 minutes, 12 secondsDisclosure Foundation not too long ago here on the show and I want to bring it up to you as well uh because David Gush I thought it was I thought actually not
13:1913 minutes, 19 secondseven probably it was the most revealing interview he's done so far with Dr.
13:2313 minutes, 23 secondsPhil. Um, and he spoke very candidly about like, okay, we've recovered, you know, at least I I forget the number. I think he said at least 10 different
13:3113 minutes, 31 secondscraft. He said we've spoken to or we we've we've communicated with extraterrestrials.
13:3813 minutes, 38 secondsYou've I'm I'm sure you've seen those clips and everything. So, you see some of that, you hear some of that. What is your reaction when you hear him talking about those things and being so specific
13:4613 minutes, 46 secondsabout the number of craft, the number of bodies, and how we've communicated with extraterrestrials?
13:5213 minutes, 52 secondsLook, I mean, I think that we've got to get I've got to get my hands on that on on the same thing that David has has
14:0014 minutesseen and experienced the that requires White House approval, right? So, a lot of what we're what we're doing and and
14:0814 minutes, 8 secondsthis was when he said this, he's speaking to Dr. Phil. There's a level of personal connection with Donald Trump
14:1714 minutes, 17 secondsthat that Dr. Phil has that I don't even have. Right. It appears that Dr. Phil has got an inside connection to the
14:2514 minutes, 25 secondspresident and that's fantastic. I want I want there to be reporters and people that are interested in this topic to to get the attention of the president. Um
14:3414 minutes, 34 secondsbut at the end of the day, you've got to get the president's approval to be able to go in and see read those see those
14:4014 minutes, 40 secondsfiles, read the documents, see the craft for yourself. That's going to take and when when David said, you know, I can
14:4714 minutes, 47 secondstake you there. I think that what the caveat of that of that statement, you know, was pre had to be prefaced by
14:5414 minutes, 54 secondsassuming the president gives you that level of access and assuming the president has set this set this up.
15:0215 minutes, 2 secondsAnd I was just about to ask that actually. It's funny because there's been a lot made out of where did Dr.
15:0715 minutes, 7 secondsPhil come from in all this, right? It's it kind of feels like it came out of the blue where Dr. Phil is now the UFO guy
15:1415 minutes, 14 secondsand he's talking about UFOs on his podcast. Um, and that's not a disparaging remark. It was just one of those things that people kind of like were caught off guard by. But I wonder
15:2315 minutes, 23 secondsif the answer is kind of what you're saying if we can connect some dots here.
15:2815 minutes, 28 secondsUm, was he placed there? He has that personal relationship with the president. Him and him and President Trump have known each other for a long time. So, can we make the assumption?
15:3815 minutes, 38 secondsYou think it's out of the ballpark? You think it's out of the realm of possibility to make the assumption that Dr. Phil is talking about these things
15:4415 minutes, 44 secondsbecause the president trusts him and has told him to go ahead and kind of talk about some of the stuff and bring it to bring it to the public.
15:5215 minutes, 52 secondsHe's certainly using his level of trust and relationship with the president on this topic, but I mean I don't know that he was I I don't know if he was asked
16:0116 minutes, 1 secondout of the blue to do this that he this is a this is a hot topic and and it interests so many people. Uh, so you
16:1116 minutes, 11 secondswould be surprised how many um kind of celebrity type people reach out even to me, the most boring guy from the Midwest to talk about this.
16:2116 minutes, 21 secondsVery exciting. You're a very exciting person, Eric. They all want to talk to you. Yeah.
16:2516 minutes, 25 secondsI mean, can we I mean, obviously, I can't just let that hang there. You can you can deny that's fine, but can you talk about any of the people that have reached out to you that
16:3316 minutes, 33 secondsI don't want I don't want to violate that.
16:3516 minutes, 35 secondsAll right, fair enough. I have to ask. I mean, it's it's it's it's low hanging fruit, so I at least had to bring it up.
16:4016 minutes, 40 secondsBut I'm interested. I I kind of wonder myself. Um, were you surprised? Like, were is it like one of those moments where you're like, "How did this person get my number? I never expected to hear
16:4816 minutes, 48 secondsfrom them." Yeah, it's um Well, they they work through other people. So, it's like someone will reach out and say, "Hey, um this person wants to wants to
16:5816 minutes, 58 secondschat with you. Can I share your number?" Right.
17:0117 minutes, 1 secondSo, yeah, we're all in six degrees separation. So, very cool. Okay, fair enough. Um,
17:0817 minutes, 8 secondsspeaking about kind of going back to the president's inner circle, uh, I know somebody that you have been uh, speaking
17:1517 minutes, 15 secondsto along with other members of Congress is Steven Miller. And Stephen is of course the one of president's closest
17:2217 minutes, 22 secondsadvisers, senior adviser to the president and he's kind of been tasked with this issue, right? Um, now I know
17:3017 minutes, 30 secondsthe vice president JD Vance has spoken about it this openly saying that he's very interested in this topic, but this um and he hasn't gotten to dig into it
17:3817 minutes, 38 secondsyet, but it seems like that mantel has been given to Steven Miller. So, can you talk to us about what kind of conversations you've had with Steven Miller and kind of where that's looking right now?
17:4817 minutes, 48 secondsYeah. Um, Stephen Miller is a bulldog.
17:5017 minutes, 50 secondsLike, he really is a heads down. Uh, this is a topic that he wants to get resolved. I think that um I I mean I
18:0018 minutesthink he he wants the craft to yesterday. He he wants it um and he and I think he wants the president to roll
18:0818 minutes, 8 secondsroll it out live on national television like so he's super into it like he takes it seriously super into it. takes it seriously and
18:1518 minutes, 15 secondshe's very um you know he's he's very thoughtful and and uh and and and kind of kind of the same way that I am very
18:2418 minutes, 24 secondssome views that views it with a somewhat skeptical tone but also is driven very
18:3118 minutes, 31 secondsvery uh driven to get to the bottom of this. I think that the the I think there's a few things that are driving it. One is that there's that we have
18:4018 minutes, 40 secondsthis shared feeling that we're just very frustrated with the deep state, right? I mean, there's no president that's taken on the deep state more than Donald Trump
18:4818 minutes, 48 secondsand this and so the notion that the deep state is holding back from the president of the United States is something that
18:5618 minutes, 56 secondsinfu in infuriates his administration. I think that along with the fact that um you've got these craft that are
19:0419 minutes, 4 secondsoperating with impunity over our military installations and that is something that is driving the administration to figure out what's
19:1219 minutes, 12 secondsgoing on. Right. So, I sense a level of urgency when it comes to this uh pursue effort
19:1919 minutes, 19 secondsand um and and so yeah, I I think that they're focused on trying to get to the the here and the now and the today and
19:2819 minutes, 28 secondsprobably less focused on the the or at least they bifurcated the investigation.
19:3319 minutes, 33 secondsSo, they have other people that are working on the legacy like trying to go back and see what what what's been going on historically. I think that there's a
19:4219 minutes, 42 secondslarger effort to track down what is in the here and the now.
19:4619 minutes, 46 secondsYeah. But that's it's really interesting um to hear because that is something I've wondered myself which is why I ask it. Um you know how much how seriously
19:5519 minutes, 55 secondsis this being taken? Like where does it fall on the plate of responsibilities for someone like Steven Miller? But it it's encouraging. It uh it sounds like
20:0320 minutes, 3 secondsthis is like really one of his main things to to go after. Um am I right in saying that based off of what you're Yeah. He I I think so. I mean, this is
20:1220 minutes, 12 secondsone of his top priorities and it's the priority of OD and I it's priority there's a there's a there's a healthy team now that's that's working on this
20:2020 minutes, 20 secondsand that's good and I think that they can all keep each other honest as well.
20:2320 minutes, 23 secondsSo when you had just Arrow working on this, I think that uh you certainly had you it created an opportunity for
20:3220 minutes, 32 secondssomeone to just to um to control the narrative. Right. Sure. and and to uh to not do anything.
20:4020 minutes, 40 secondsBut when you've got multiple people that are part of this investigation, they they you know, it it basically makes an opportunity for people to keep each other honest.
20:4920 minutes, 49 secondsRight. Right. And do do you feel like he's running into um stonewalling efforts? I mean, I I don't know if
20:5720 minutes, 57 secondsyou've gotten any updates lately from his office or from him directly. I mean, is there is there a sense of frustration like you're talking about? They want the answers. They want to figure out what's
21:0521 minutes, 5 secondsflying over our bases, what's flying over, you know, in our skies that we don't know what they are and and apparently can just do whatever they want. Um,
21:1321 minutes, 13 secondsis there a sense of frustration there that he's not getting answers quick enough?
21:1821 minutes, 18 secondsOh, I mean, knowing Stephen, I'm sure that he's frustrated that he didn't he doesn't have the answer now, right? Okay. But but um because he moves
21:2721 minutes, 27 secondsfast and he he's very aggressive and he's um so I I can't think of a better person to be tasked with this in the Trump administration.
21:3521 minutes, 35 secondsVery good. And that well that that is good to know that he wants the answers, right? Because I think that's something that people wonder about is okay, the
21:4221 minutes, 42 secondspeople in charge, do they even want to find out what's going on? They talk about it. They say that people are interested in it. They're putting out
21:4921 minutes, 49 secondsgovernment trenches. you know, five different branches have come out so far as as we're speaking here today. Um, I'm sure a sixth will will come out as well.
21:5821 minutes, 58 secondsSo, right, frontf facing, this is the most transparent an administration has ever been. Uh,
22:0522 minutes, 5 secondsthis think about it. If just one of these releases happened in this administration, it would have been the most it would have been the biggest
22:1422 minutes, 14 secondsbombshell in 80 years of of people talking about this topic, right?
22:1922 minutes, 19 secondsWouldn't it? Right. just one of these tunches and the fact that they're they're getting ready to come out with trunch number six like this is it's
22:2722 minutes, 27 secondsunprecedented the the level of videos the and the willingness to be to to basically open the kimono and be
22:3522 minutes, 35 secondsvulnerable and and tell the American people like we don't really even know we don't have the answers we're going to let you decide. Um that is that is
22:4422 minutes, 44 secondsthat is a wonderful and refreshing difference uh from what we're used to.
22:5122 minutes, 51 secondsYeah. No, very true. It is it's very different. It's something that's um you know I hate to say that we've gotten
22:5722 minutes, 57 secondsspoiled, but people want people want that definitive answer, right? like we're we're seeing things, we understand something's going on, and now people
23:0623 minutes, 6 secondswant that definitive answer, which my big takeaway here right now in this portion of what we're talking about is that um it doesn't seem like it's just
23:1423 minutes, 14 secondslip service from the administration that you have someone like Steven Miller who actually does want the answers, too, and it's not just it's not playing games.
23:2123 minutes, 21 secondsSo, that's that's good to hear.
23:2423 minutes, 24 secondsYeah. Now on top of that um kind of sticking with with the administration portion of this the UAP advisory council
23:3223 minutes, 32 secondswas also created which is something that's new uh headed by Avi Lo with the likes of Tim G Tim Galedet and and others on this board. What are you
23:4123 minutes, 41 secondshearing about that Eric? I know Abby has come out and said that they're going to have their first meeting. Um what do you hear first meeting? Yeah, they've had
23:4823 minutes, 48 secondsmultiple meetings. Um, they've had multiple meetings over Zoom and and and
23:5423 minutes, 54 secondsand virtual meetings. They just had a a in-person meeting in DC this at the
24:0124 minutes, 1 secondbeginning of this week. So, and that that meeting concluded. It was more of a um from what I I I gather, it's it was
24:0924 minutes, 9 secondsmore like a pro-forma, you know, kind of uh formal. they they they had a meeting with Stephen Miller
24:1824 minutes, 18 secondsand and that the administration and and the people that are working on purs on pursuit. So that was I'm glad to hear that that that that happened that that
24:2624 minutes, 26 secondsmeeting occurred in person. Um I I would hope that they're getting the data that they need. So, I think that um there's a
24:3524 minutes, 35 secondsfew things that I and look I mean I would probably if it were my if it were
24:4324 minutes, 43 secondsmy team I would probably stack it with more theoretical physicists myself. Okay.
24:5024 minutes, 50 secondsUm I think that that's that's greatly needed. Um and I and I think they need some young young minds. So like what I
24:5824 minutes, 58 secondsmean is by that is that we have some we had some brilliant people involved in this topic. How put off Eric Davis in
25:0625 minutes, 6 secondsthe past. We need the new how put offs and the new Eric Davises to be to step up and and and and lend
25:1425 minutes, 14 secondstheir efforts to this. Um we we need some some you know Eric Weinstein, right? So, we need some some people like
25:2225 minutes, 22 secondsthat to step up and uh and I don't I don't think I think that the team has from what I've gathered I think they
25:3025 minutes, 30 secondshave one or somebody like that, but I think that they they need to stack that team with with a lot of theoretical physicists who are willing to challenge
25:3825 minutes, 38 secondseach other and propose um while you know sometimes solutions that may may other
25:4625 minutes, 46 secondspeople may think is is nutty, but that's that's the kind of U thinking that we need right now to understand what we're experiencing.
25:5425 minutes, 54 secondsWhat are you hoping uh happens from this as far as the advisory board is concerned? What you know what what would you be satisfied with when they come out
26:0226 minutes, 2 secondswith different findings or advice toward toward the president?
26:0626 minutes, 6 secondsYeah, I think that they need to they need to have access to all of the data.
26:1126 minutes, 11 secondsSo they they need to be given act you know un you know unmitigated unfiltered access to the data so that they can they
26:2126 minutes, 21 secondscan do their work and then come up with theoretical theories on on or they can come up with theories on what what it is
26:2826 minutes, 28 secondsthat we're experiencing what these glowing orbs are what a triangle craft is that's that that we that that we
26:3726 minutes, 37 secondsoften get reports of. Right. So that's it. And there's there was some of that work that was done. Um
26:4626 minutes, 46 secondsbut I think that uh you know if we have some fresh eyes, some new people with with with up-to-date data, I think that that will be helpful.
26:5426 minutes, 54 secondsAre you getting new reports, Eric? Are you having people coming to you still um saying, "Hey, this is happening, that's happening." I mean, I know you guys just
27:0227 minutes, 2 secondscame back from recess, but I mean, as far as any any briefings and things like that, are you coming across new things that are making you scratch your head?
27:0927 minutes, 9 secondsUm, I I think so. Since Trump has come out with the memo or statement that that they'll that he'll wave NDAs and people
27:1827 minutes, 18 secondscan have a formal process of coming forward. Um, we got a little bit of push back from some some whistleblowers who
27:2527 minutes, 25 secondssaid, you know, I don't know that that's enough protection. So what we did in our office is create a mechanism for people to come forward a formal mechanism and
27:3427 minutes, 34 secondsand I'll I'll get that link to you so you can share it if you if you'd like. Yeah.
27:3927 minutes, 39 secondsUm it's you just go to my off my formal website my representative website and you'll see that you can click the link
27:4827 minutes, 48 secondsthere. But and the and the the process that this is the difference between the past and today when it comes to that process when
27:5627 minutes, 56 secondsI talk to the administration and they say and I and I say look guys there's still a level of uncomfortable people
28:0328 minutes, 3 secondsfeel uncomfortable can they come through me and can I be a part can I join them when they meet with you guys and can
28:1228 minutes, 12 secondsthey bring their attorney can I bring an attorney for these for these discussions and They their their response is
28:1928 minutes, 19 secondsabsolutely like we want nothing to hold an individual back from feeling safe and and um and being willing to come
28:2828 minutes, 28 secondsforward and that that is a very very um genuine uh take and and the fact that they so
28:3628 minutes, 36 secondsand I think that that should give anyone that wants to say what they want to say a level of comfort to know that you can
28:4328 minutes, 43 secondscome to Eric Berles's office or or or um Tim Bur Ed or Annapina Luna or any member of Congress's office that you
28:5128 minutes, 51 secondsthat you trust and that we can then connect you to an attorney or if you do not have one.
28:5728 minutes, 57 secondsThere's a lot of different groups that that are willing to to provide those that legal counsel. Yeah.
29:0529 minutes, 5 secondsAnd then and then we we can decide if and when and who we're going to go to.
29:1129 minutes, 11 secondsRight. So, if you just want to talk to me and give me tips on what to subpoena, who to subpoena, what to um what to send
29:2029 minutes, 20 secondsinterrogatives, send letters for, that's fantastic. You can rename you can remain anonymous.
29:2829 minutes, 28 secondsThat's a fantastic level. And we and that that's something that uh some people do today and that's been very helpful for us. If you want to go
29:3629 minutes, 36 secondsfurther and you want to speak directly to the FBI or ODNI or uh Stephen Miller
29:4429 minutes, 44 secondshimself, the that you know that's the kind of thing that we I we can sherpa you through that process, right? And
29:5229 minutes, 52 secondsmake sure that you're not mistreated that that we we have all the fail safes in place to make sure that you you know
29:5929 minutes, 59 secondsyou you don't receive any kind of uh retaliation etc.
30:0330 minutes, 3 secondsYeah, that's huge. Honestly, that's that's huge that you're doing that and your colleagues are doing that. Um because before, you know, uh it was just
30:1030 minutes, 10 secondskind of, hey, go talk to Arrow and then, well, we we know how how that's gone in the past. Um you have not been able,
30:1830 minutes, 18 secondscorrect me if I'm wrong, you have not been able to have a one-on-one or at least a group talk with the president yet. Am I right about that? No, I have not. No.
30:2630 minutes, 26 secondsOkay. So, with that said, I'm curious uh if you got that opportunity, I'm sure you're you are pursuing that opportunity. So if and when you do get
30:3430 minutes, 34 secondsthat opportunity, what's something that you would specifically want to bring up to him about this in order, you know, you have two minutes to talk to him
30:4230 minutes, 42 secondsabout this subject. What would you want to say to him that would have the most impact to try to move this forward with him?
30:4930 minutes, 49 secondsWell, first I would thank him. The first thing I would do is say thank you. Like you you have done more for transparency and disclosure than any president in
30:5730 minutes, 57 secondshistory, right?
30:5830 minutes, 58 secondsAnd and the second thing I would say is like Mr. President, the archives are there. They need to be scrubbed. They
31:0531 minutes, 5 secondsneed to be we we need to scan the CIA the the warehouses of CIA documents for
31:1231 minutes, 12 secondsnot only not only this topic, but then be able to get information and be able to on a lot of my mysteries that we
31:2131 minutes, 21 secondshave, right? Whether it's MK Ultra, what happened with JFK, we know that there are warehouses of documents
31:2931 minutes, 29 secondsthat are that that are not digitized, they're not tagged and and that this is the this is probably one of the most
31:3731 minutes, 37 secondsdifficult efforts is figuring out what's in those archives because you literally it's like the Indiana Jones warehouses that you have
31:4531 minutes, 45 secondsto these are un like basically boxes that are that that that contains some fantastic
31:5431 minutes, 54 secondsinformation, but no one knows because we don't really have any any computer system or anything that uh that knows what's in this. Wow.
32:0132 minutes, 1 secondAnd it's by design, Steve. They by design. They don't want it to be easy to get access to these records.
32:1032 minutes, 10 secondsBut I think it's I think that we need to I think that we need to find a system that's safe, secure, that can digitize all of this
32:1932 minutes, 19 secondsinformation. And I mean, and it's not unheard of to go through that that much of a volume of of documents. Hospitals I
32:2932 minutes, 29 secondsI when I worked in in software for hospitals, you would scan thousands of pages a minute, right? You could you you
32:3732 minutes, 37 secondshave systems that could do this kind of thing.
32:4032 minutes, 40 secondsAnd so it just it's just like you said, Indiana Jones, you know, stash it away in a warehouse somewhere and people will forget about it or not even know that it exists. But those places do
32:4932 minutes, 49 secondsexist where these secrets just sit in unmarked boxes. That's right.
32:5332 minutes, 53 secondsWow. I think he would be very interested in that. And I do Do you know if he's aware and I say this um you know it
33:0133 minutes, 1 secondmight be controversial but there have been people who have confirmed and in fact Lzando was on here a few months back and I asked him and he he confirmed
33:0833 minutes, 8 secondsit that uh former vice president uh Dick Cheney the late Dick Cheney was one of the gatekeepers to this secret. We talk about, you know, a legacy program.
33:1833 minutes, 18 secondsOh, yeah. So, Lou Lou confirmed that.
33:2033 minutes, 20 secondsHe did. Yeah. He I as actually asked him on the show and I was shocked to actually get a confirmation uh from him.
33:2633 minutes, 26 secondsI need to go back in the archives. He may have said it directly or he alluded to the answer yes because we know how guarded he is, but uh it was it was it
33:3433 minutes, 34 secondswas essentially a yes. Um do you think the president is aware of that? And I asked that because I know his history
33:4133 minutes, 41 secondsisn't great with the Cheney name. And I wonder if he knew that the late Dick Cheney was one of the gatekeepers on
33:5033 minutes, 50 secondsthis, like the main guys, if he would be more motivated to go after and find the secrets just based off of his history with the family.
33:5633 minutes, 56 secondsI don't know. I don't know what he knows. Um I I do I've have heard from people that this is not his favorite
34:0434 minutes, 4 secondstopic. He doesn't obsess about this. um but he also um very much doesn't trust the deep state. So we have I think the
34:1334 minutes, 13 secondsreason why we have we have had so much success is because we've we have a president that is probably in the vein
34:1934 minutes, 19 secondsof JFK and that that of of a level of distrust of of the intelligence community in the deep state and he has
34:2834 minutes, 28 secondsevery right to be because they basically tried to bury him. They they did everything they could to stop him from becoming president.
34:3334 minutes, 33 secondsRemove him from being president and stop him from coming back.
34:3734 minutes, 37 secondsRight. Yeah. That's fair. Um, so outside of that, Eric, you know, I look back at the past year and I look at the date
34:4634 minutes, 46 secondshere and I see I realize that it's been just about a year since the last uh hearing and I want you I look back on
34:5534 minutes, 55 secondsthat sitting there watching that happen in the moment. Dylan Borland is in front of me and Jeff Nucatelli uh is is in front of me and George Knapp and the others that were sitting there that day.
35:0535 minutes, 5 secondsHow do you look back on that now just about a year ago on that hearing and kind of perspective now? What what do
35:1435 minutes, 14 secondsyou take away? And that was of course when you play the the famous now Hellfire missile video that uh you know purportedly shows it bouncing off a
35:2235 minutes, 22 secondscraft as the craft continues to go. So looking back on that now about a year removed, what do you what are your reflections on that and how do you
35:3135 minutes, 31 secondsconnect it to where we are now about a year later? You know, I think it that moved the needle and really kind of solidified that um that that we that
35:4035 minutes, 40 secondsthere are plenty of intelligent, credible people um who have nothing to gain and
35:4735 minutes, 47 secondseverything to lose that are willing to speak out about this and and tell their story and tell their narrative. And from
35:5435 minutes, 54 secondsthat it to me it became clear we we don't need to continue having these I think we definitively have heard from
36:0236 minutes, 2 secondsenough credible people. Uh then from there I think it pivoted the investigation has pivoted to getting the
36:1036 minutes, 10 secondsreceipts. So we you know we I believe uh Chief Wiggins when he says that he's what he saw. Absolutely.
36:2236 minutes, 22 secondsFrom there, I I now think that we need to get the craft. We need to actually get our hands on it. We need to get better capture better footage, better photos. We need to get better evidence.
36:3536 minutes, 35 secondsUm, if that makes sense. Does that does that make sense? I think that right there's, you know, the totality of the people that are talking about this,
36:4436 minutes, 44 secondsespecially considering their level of credibility is is I think has reached has has reached the tipping point.
36:5236 minutes, 52 secondsRight. Yeah. And it's it's interesting because and I totally get what you're saying about okay, we've we've heard what we needed to hear. Now, let's go
37:0037 minutesget this stuff. And um I mean I think a lot of people would be happy to hear, you know, they basically a call to
37:0737 minutes, 7 secondsaction, right? Um and from there though, I and then I got some people that are that are freaking out that that they'll
37:1437 minutes, 14 secondstext me or call me or write me that, you know, we can't take one of these down.
37:1937 minutes, 19 secondswe'll start an intergalactic war, whatever. Um, I I think that uh at at the end of the day, we we need more
37:2737 minutes, 27 secondsdata. We we we cannot have craft violating military airspace with impunity and continue to do that. So, we
37:3637 minutes, 36 secondswe need to do we we need to at least capture or um whether it's through photos or video
37:4537 minutes, 45 secondsfootage. Um I mean shoot LAR I don't care what kind of imaging that we have get get as much data on what these things are as possible.
37:5437 minutes, 54 secondsYeah. And if we go by you know just talking about earlier with David Grush what he said about we have multiple craft already recovered then we
38:0238 minutes, 2 secondsbasically just need to go see him like um when we talk about any future hearings
38:1038 minutes, 10 secondsyou know just just kind of in that ve I know we kind of just said you know we we've got what we want from you.
38:1438 minutes, 14 secondsSo let me answer that question. Yeah, it's going to be very very difficult if not nearly impossible to have a hearing in this Congress.
38:2138 minutes, 21 secondsUh we just I literally just walked out of my my chief of staff's office and we were he he got a text message that we
38:2938 minutes, 29 secondsare having our third so we were supposed to be in Cong session three weeks in
38:3538 minutes, 35 secondsSeptember leading up to the October recess before the election and they just canled the third week of September.
38:4438 minutes, 44 secondsOh wow. So, at the end of the day, we're running we're running into the midterm elections. Congress,
38:5238 minutes, 52 secondsyou know, this Congress is very very hesitant to do anything leading into an
38:5838 minutes, 58 secondselection. It's a so we have no literally no time.
39:0339 minutes, 3 secondsThere's no no days on the calendar to do a hearing that the all of those opportunities have
39:1039 minutes, 10 secondsevaporated. So, it's probably it would have to be in a lame duck period between November and December or mid November
39:1939 minutes, 19 secondsand January. And I I and so yeah, I mean I there's some names that I'm we are exploring.
39:2839 minutes, 28 secondsUm and I don't want to say those names, but we're what we're trying to do is either get people in that have that have
39:3739 minutes, 37 secondsdirect knowledge of the legacy program, were in the legacy program, or had direct contact with UFOs. And I don't
39:4639 minutes, 46 secondsmean that they saw it. I mean that they were in it.
39:4939 minutes, 49 secondsThat's who I want to talk. That's who I want to come in in this the next hearing if we're going to have a hearing. So,
39:5639 minutes, 56 secondspeople that can bring the receipts with them to the if that makes sense. Like I don't
40:0340 minutes, 3 secondsI think as I said before, I don't think it's fruitful to have a hearing of people that say that further more people to say I saw this.
40:1240 minutes, 12 secondsYeah.
40:1340 minutes, 13 secondsFrom a distance. Uh that that kind of thing. I think that we really need to hear from the people that were part of
40:2040 minutes, 20 secondsthe legacy program given that Trump has has uh offered to for these people to have their NDAs waved. I think that
40:2940 minutes, 29 secondsthere's some opportunities there. We may have to have some hostile subpoenas to get to to compel people to come forward,
40:3640 minutes, 36 secondsbut we'll but we'll we'll kind of cross that bridge when we get there.
40:4040 minutes, 40 secondsYeah, there's a lot there actually. So, mainly you answer the question. Yeah.
40:4340 minutes, 43 secondsThe other thing before I finish is that that I'm kind of interested in doing is bringing people forward that have conflicting statements. So, right, so
40:5140 minutes, 51 secondsyou've got people that have said this agency knows has craft and knows everything about it. And then other
41:0041 minutespeople who say no, we I was in that agency, we don't know anything about it.
41:0441 minutes, 4 secondsSo I I kind of want to bring bring people that are that have differing that are at the epicenter of this
41:1341 minutes, 13 secondsforward and see who's telling the truth.
41:1641 minutes, 16 secondsSo that's that is another intriguing option as well. Does that make sense?
41:2041 minutes, 20 secondsYeah. Literally putting them on the stand, right?
41:2241 minutes, 22 secondsBecause you two people that are bas basically pointing the finger at each other saying that guy's lying. Let's bring them both forward and see who's telling the truth.
41:3141 minutes, 31 secondsRight. Smart. And that'll be very very intriguing to see. Um, and so you my main question there was basically what you just answered like what would you be
41:3941 minutes, 39 secondsgoing after? What would be the goal of the type of witness you would want to bring in in future hearings. Do you see this? And and I guess you know, not to
41:4641 minutes, 46 secondsget political, of course, because you know, it's that that's not the theme of of the show here, but I'm just curious if uh there if if there was a Democratic
41:5541 minutes, 55 secondscontrolled house after the midterms, do you see this still being something that a Democratc controlled House pursues or or does it go away?
42:0542 minutes, 5 secondsNo. I you know, Stephen, if the moment if we lose the midterms, this is over.
42:1242 minutes, 12 secondsReally? Yeah, I don't see. So, it's over for a couple of reasons. One is that the White House, the president, his team,
42:2042 minutes, 20 secondsStephen Miller won't be working on trying to get to UAPs when they're being attacked, when they are having to when they're being subpoenaed left and right.
42:3142 minutes, 31 secondsThey they will not have any time and they they won't be working on this. Um and then further the Democrats will be
42:3842 minutes, 38 secondsspending every in they every minute of oversight will be investigating the the Trump administration.
42:4642 minutes, 46 secondsWow. Wow. Well, I guess we'll see what the future holds. That would be very sad. Um and there would be a lot of disappointed people out there that this
42:5442 minutes, 54 secondswould fall by the wayside, you know, for at least the next couple of years, next few years if that is the case.
43:0043 minutesYeah. I mean the and and even like and look I'm not trying to say this like say you have to vote Republican to get Sure. Sure.
43:0643 minutes, 6 secondsI'm just giving you the reality here. I mean the truth is that given the dynamics that this administration will go into immediate lockdown wi with a if the Democrats take the majority.
43:1843 minutes, 18 secondsWow. Well, we'll see what happens. Um hopefully things continue to move forward. I I guess we can just say that.
43:2543 minutes, 25 secondsUm I know it's just a few more minutes here. Eric, do you still have a little bit more time? How much uh can I can I push you here?
43:3143 minutes, 31 secondsI need to get to a lunch meeting, but but yeah, got got about five more minutes.
43:3643 minutes, 36 secondsPerfect. Perfect. So, on that note then, um when it when it just, you know, just kind of thinking about all those things with with hearings and and and
43:4443 minutes, 44 secondswitnesses, thinking about some of the other things that are being spoken about with the direct call to action. I really wanted
43:5243 minutes, 52 secondsto bring that up here before we were done. um James Fox who we were at the press conference that was done back in
44:0044 minutesJune with David Grush and you were there and of course other congressional members Bett and Luna and so on and so forth Moscowitz.
44:0644 minutes, 6 secondsUm he had put together videos featuring you and Jeff Nusatelli and and others kind of giving that call to action, direct
44:1444 minutes, 14 secondscall to action to the president. Let us come forward. Let us come talk to you.
44:1844 minutes, 18 secondsWe want to do this. Um how do you see that going? Is it being is it being heard by the administration and and the office?
44:2544 minutes, 25 secondsWell, I think and that like as we were doing that leading up to that press conference, the administration was making steps in that direction already.
44:3344 minutes, 33 secondsSo, that was fantastic and that and we saw that when when the White House came out with their memorandum. Um, at least
44:4144 minutes, 41 secondsit it gave a lot more comfort. And then then following up on that, the conversations that we've had where they've been very open to letting people
44:4844 minutes, 48 secondscome through my office and other people's office was I think is really the game changer.
44:5544 minutes, 55 secondsWhat what I think is the the the thing that really needs to happen is you is and what we said in that press conference is that the people that have
45:0445 minutes, 4 secondsalready come forward bravely, patriotically, they they they need to be restored. So they're the pensions that
45:1345 minutes, 13 secondsthey lost, the health benefits that they no longer have, the the um you know, all of those things,
45:2145 minutes, 21 secondstheir clearances that are that were all flagged and now now they they can't work in that kind of security setting that
45:2945 minutes, 29 secondsthat needs to be restored because if you don't restore that, you're sending a message to everyone else that sure, you can come forward and sure, we'll tell
45:3845 minutes, 38 secondsyou that we're going to wave your NDA, but on the back end, if we find anything at all that we, you know, if if we found
45:4545 minutes, 45 secondsthat you tied your shoelaces wrong, we're gonna we're gonna mark you up and you're going to lose your clearance, right? Because that's literally what happened to Grush and these other guys.
45:5645 minutes, 56 secondsYeah.
45:5645 minutes, 56 secondsThey they you can you can make a you can make a criminal out of anybody. You what's the what's the phrase? Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.
46:0446 minutes, 4 secondsAnd I'm not saying they they didn't these people did are not criminals. I'm saying you you have a convoluted system and a system of rules and they can you
46:1346 minutes, 13 secondscan find anybody who you if you're looking hard enough you can find a place where somebody didn't didn't do
46:2046 minutes, 20 secondseverything perfectly and that's and that that is what they have admitted to me happened to David Grush
46:2746 minutes, 27 secondsand so now they need to fix it now they need to go back in correct the record restore clearances restore restore the
46:3446 minutes, 34 secondsbenefits that were lost and make it right by these people who did everything they they could to try to come forward
46:4146 minutes, 41 secondspatriotically and correctly in the using the proper channels but were still um punished for it. They need to make it
46:4946 minutes, 49 secondsright and that's what that's what we're really trying to press on and and that that press conference was about was was saying look Mr. president, you have an
46:5846 minutes, 58 secondsopportunity. Make it right to the people that did come forward and then also make create that framework so the people can feel safe to come forward in the future.
47:0847 minutes, 8 secondsDo you feel like that's being heard so far?
47:1147 minutes, 11 secondsYeah, it is. They they know exactly and and um it's just a hope it's a matter of time before we get before we get I think some kind of resolution there.
47:2247 minutes, 22 secondsVery good. Eric Burlson. Um, thank you so much for coming out on here and doing this and spending all this time. It really does mean a lot. I really appreciate that and hopefully we'll keep
47:3147 minutes, 31 secondsup and we can do this again in the future. Absolutely, Eric Burlson. Thanks so much.
47:3547 minutes, 35 secondsYou do you do a great job, Stephen. And and um keep up the great work. Um and so I'm I'm a listener to your podcast and enjoy it.
47:4247 minutes, 42 secondsThank Thanks. Thanks so much, Eric. We'll talk again soon here on UAP. Thanks.