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 Well, this is great. Happy to welcome back Lou Alzando here. Uh, needs no introduction really um, back here on
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 UAP. Lou, there's obviously a lot that we can talk about, so it's kind of pick and choose here today, but first off, thanks for coming back here. I really appreciate it.
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 Yeah, Stephen, it's always my uh my honor and privilege. Thank you so much.
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 And a huge shout out to your to your awesome audience.
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 Yeah, I appreciate it. And also just real quick, uh, for everybody, uh, who was like me when we were worried when we saw you get into your accidents, I just
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 want to say I'm really happy to see that you're okay. Um, yeah, you know, you're able to come back and do these things again. I know you're going on tour, so we're going to talk
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 about that, but you look you look great, man. So, I'm happy to see that you're you're okay.
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 Well, you know, my my wife actually said that the accident probably made me look even better because I was never good-looking to begin with. I I I tend
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 to look like an old leather wallet. Um, I have this hat on, but if I pull up, you can still see some scarring. I'm still dealing with a detached retina, some other other complications. But
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 look, I'm on this side of the dirt. Um, life is good. Uh, I'm extremely extremely grateful. Uh, you know, it's not every day you get into a
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 life-threatening motorcycle accident and and given, you know, a second chance.
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 And, you know, if I was a cat, I think I'd be up to my nine lives already. So, I'm very grateful.
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 Absolutely. And we're we're grateful that that you're good. Um, did you get into this just kind of like a little bit off topic and maybe a little bit too
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 prying, but I guess you know me, things pop into my head and I have to ask them, did you have anything like, you know, a near-death experience where some people
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 talk about having they see things in a in a, you know, um, life-changing event like that or did it not get that far?
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 Yeah. No, I've I've had I've had quite a few really Yeah. near near-death brushes with near-death experiences. And uh um each
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 one's a little profound. Um you know, it's it's very subjective because it's it's really depending who you ask, everybody has a little bit different experience.
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 Um there were two in my older life and then when I was very young, two very serious automobile accidents I was in with my father.
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 Wow.
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 And um you know, it was crazy. Just like everybody tells you, everything goes in slow motion. Uh, super slow motion and
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 you have time to, ironically enough, think about things. Um, but you're also I wasn't I wasn't scared either. It was
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 it was really really profound. And then two times when I was older, um,
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 well, yeah, we can talk about later if you want. one one of them when I was scuba diving uh with with some friends and relatives uh out in the ocean and uh
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 that was that was something else. Um you know it it yeah it's I mean it's it's real. It it is it is absolutely
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 real. Maybe we all kind of experience it a little bit differently but it is it is a lot of the cliches and stereotypes you
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 hear about a near-death experience actually are pretty accurate. Well, I I actually really am interested in this.
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 This this was not on my little idea sheet here with with some bullet points, but it's it's kind of uh intrigued me that you know this this we started off
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 with this. Wasn't planning on it, but if you don't mind expounding on it.
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 Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Um so it was probably um probably right after college uh during
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 my actually during my last probably my last year of college there in Miami. uh my cousin who had a boat and one of my very good friends at the time who was up
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 in Palm Beach, West Palm Beach, came down to visit me in Miami, uh we decided to go scuba diving. Uh we're all certified scuba divers, have been for
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 years and years, avid divers, um very experienced divers. And so uh my cousin decided he's going to take us to a reef,
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 but it was pretty far offshore. It was like 25 miles. So once you're out there, you can't really see the the the the
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 shore uh during the day at all. At night, you can kind of see the lights reflecting off the sky, but in the day you can't. And um it was typical with
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 Florida. So we we went out there, we went to the reef, and we were scuba diving probably about 60 70 feet down underwater. Not nothing crazy. Uh and
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 all of a sudden it got very dark underwater. And that usually means a storm's coming through, right? Because it's normally bright. It's the tropics.
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 And all of a sudden, you know, the the clouds come over the the below the the sun and they obscure the light. So, it gets really dark really quick. And I
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 could hear this this little bit of crackling in my ear. And it was rain. It was rain hitting the surface of the of the top of the water, you know, so 70 feet up.
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 And it was a pretty bad storm. And the moment I, you know, I looked up there, I I realized, man, we have a a boat, like
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 a 22 foot boat, open fisher, um, that has been tied to a mooring ball that that is probably being smacked around
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 with some pretty significant waves, like like six foot waves, right? So, it's it's it's So, um, I went ahead on my my little
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 writing tablet, I I told my my my buddy and my cousin I was going to go check out the the anchor and make sure that the anchor was was fastened in there.
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 uh for the moing ball. So you got this moring ball that's floating on top and that moring ball kind of goes down to to an anchor.
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 And uh long story short, um as I swim over there, I realized that the my cousin had not tied to the moring ball
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 at all. He had just thrown an anchor in, which by the way, you shouldn't do when you have a coral reef because you're trying to protect life. But this was way back when. Anyways, um he he he used his
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 anchor that was on board the boat. Um, and as I looked over to the anchor that was kind of stuck in a piece of dead
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 coral, um, I thought to myself, boy, this is this is not going to last. This boat's going to rip right off of off of that anchor line.
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 Wow.
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 Uh, and as I was thinking of that, I saw the anchor literally rip up from the coral and and all of a sudden is now
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 making a beline away from us, from me specifically. And again, we're about 75 feet down, maybe 70 feet underwater. And
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 as you know, the way an anchor is shaped, it looks kind of like a like a spade, right? Kind of like a like a like like a like a wedge. Well, it started to
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 catch the water. So, the anchor wasn't dragging on the ground. It was actually because a boat was pulling it so fast out to sea that the anchor um was was
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 probably about maybe 8 to 10 feet above the the surface of the sand and the coral as it's being pulled away. So, I'm
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 thinking, man, I got to get this anchor now. I got to I got to get to the boat and stop the boat. Otherwise, we're we're screwed. We don't even we're 20 some miles out off the shore. We've got, you know, one tank of air each of us.
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 That's it. And we have no, you know, so I start swimming for this thing and swimming for this thing and I'm I'm exhausting myself very quickly. Um,
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 and if you ever try to swim fast underwater, even with fins, when you have all that gear on, it can it can be kind of cumbersome. So, I just said, man, get to the boat. Get to the boat.
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 Get to the boat. No matter what, get to the boat. So, I'm swimming swimming.
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 kind of hoping I could grab the anchor, maybe shove it back into the into into the sand. Um, and as I get close to it, I I can feel my body reaching um, muscle
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 failure where muscles begin to they starve themselves of oxygen. They overwork and they start to cramp up. And I'm like, "Oh, man." Um, so as I'm
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 getting towards this anchor, um, I, uh, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I I, I I, I I, I I I, I I I, I I I, I I I knew that I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I probably didn't have enough energy,
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 enough steam inside me to, to grab it, even though it was kind of like right there, because every time I kick towards it, it'd be moving away. And
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 and so I said, um, I I I I said, "God, if if if you can hear me, this is probably it for me. I
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 got nothing left. Um, you know, not sure what what I should do or what what you want me to do.
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 And it was so weird. I had this this um weird it wasn't like a voice like a like a like like a physical voice. Just
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 something in my head just said try it again. Keep don't don't stop trying. And I got a little frustrated. This is all
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 happening very very fast in my mind. I'm like look I don't have the energy. I I know physiologically that I'm I've got maybe two or three strokes left and I'm
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 done. Uh, and and I'm probably going to die out there. And so so is my cousin and my my friend. Wow.
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 So that little internal voice said, "Just one more kick, man. Just just one more kick." And I almost out of spite, I'm like, "Fine, I'll show you. I'll do one more kick and you're going to see nothing. You This is all in my head.
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 This all BS. You know that there's this this is I'm screwed." Um, and so I gave one more co kick and son of a if
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 excuse my language, son of a gun. if uh if at that moment the anchor didn't go quite as fast and there was these little
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 things that come off the side of the anchor and I was able to put my hand just my fingers around it barely if you this was the protrusion sticking out I
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 barely got my finger around it once I got my finger I was able to pull and grab my whole hand on it well now because I'm holding
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 on to the anchor kind of kadiwampus I start spinning underwater right but I'm holding on to the anchor so I'm not letting go of that anchor no matter what I may be spinning whatever but I'm not
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 letting go. Uh, and uh, I realized quickly that I I first of all, I'm going to need both hands, and second of all, that my my my scuba gear is holding me
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 down. So, I decide to cut loose on my scuba gear, uh, and just lose it and with the hope that now I can actually
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 climb up the rope a little faster uh, and and and get to the top of the boat.
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 Well, I I went a little too fast. And as I got to the top of the surface of the water, I I didn't realize, you know, I had come up too fast. And I'll tell you
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 what happened afterwards. Um, I can see the boat with the huge waves just being kicked back further, further further
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 back. So, I was able to pull myself up uh on the rope, get to the bow of the boat, then kind of shimmy my way around,
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 flop on the on the boat like a like a like a fish, you know, just kind of sitting there kind of like what the hell do I do now? And as I look down, I see all this red everywhere and it's blood.
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 Oh, and apparently when I came up too fast, I had I had I popped the sinuses in my eyes and my ears were bleeding. That was just from that. I mean, it wasn't
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 anything super serious, but it was like, "Oh, man." You know, obviously I came up I I came up too fast. Yeah.
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 Uh and so I was able to get to the boat, turn the engine on, and and get the boat stabilized. And now, keeping in mind, I
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 have no idea where my friends are. I'm hope they're not near the propeller, but I got to keep this boat stable. So, I start banging on the side of the boat.
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 Um so, that sound it travels very far in water that that it's kind of a thumping sound. Boom, boom, boom. on the side of the fiberglass hall and fortunately I
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 was able to their heads popped up way way out there and I was able to keep the boat steady and between them swimming towards me and me keeping the boat
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 towards them we were able to get on the boat and uh and eventually make make it back to shore um after the storm but we
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 all would have been bobbing up and down like a cork and probably could have potentially died out there because of the way the currents are. They were actually sweeping us away from Florida
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 uh out towards the Bahamas. And you know, if you're just sitting there with a BC a buoyancy control device, a BCD filled with air, I mean, it's like a
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 life jacket, but not really. You know, they're not they don't they won't keep you afloat forever. And um and yeah, it was a little voice telling me, you know,
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 just just one more time. Um, so there's been a few instances like
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 that in my life uh where I experienced um things a little little differently.
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 Um like I said, a lot of the car accidents I was in with my father uh you know he was not a great driver.
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 Um I all of them I remember happening in slow motion and and not being scared as they were happening. um just really
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 having this weird sense of of calmness and serenity uh and not even feeling the pain. Yeah.
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 Another time where everything went in slow motion, it was a really bizarre experience. Um this is gosh years and
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 years ago. I was pulling out um of our of our little subdivision in uh in Maryland and um a Chevy
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 Suburban doing about 60 as I was pulling out into the main road hit me and uh it was really bizarre because that too even
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 though the airbag deployed and everything happened in slow motion. I could actually feel when the vehicle when the this is going to sound crazy, but I
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 swear to God it's true. When the Suburban hit the vehicle that I was in, there were these safety crumple zones that are engineered into vehicles into
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 cars to absorb energy. And they actually are designed to give at certain points.
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 And I could actually feel those crumple zones in the vehicle absorbing the shock almost like a ratchet. Like you ever
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 know a ratchet like tool where you kind of put on a bolt and you you kind of go back and forth and back and forth and to it it that ratcheting effect is what it
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 felt like. Um and it all happened in slow motion and um the when I when the ambulance showed up, the ambulance um
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 looked at the vehicle. I was outside the vehicle and they were screaming and where's the occupant of this vehicle? Gosh.
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 And I said I said here and they said no no no this one here. This one the one that's totaled. And I said, 'N no, that that's that's me. Wow.
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 And he came over to me and he looked at me. He goes, "You were in that vehicle?" And I said, 'Yes, sir, I was. And he goes, "You're a miracle. There's there's there's no way I can't you shouldn't be
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 standing here right now." And other than a little bit of, you know, back bruising and you know, I got a chance to eat a
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 a uh airbag, you know, which is not pleasant. Um, you know, I'm I'm I'm okay and safe, but but everything happened
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 really really just in slow motion. And again, I wasn't I wasn't scared. I wasn't upset. Uh, it was it was bizarre.
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 It was profound.
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 It's incredible. Wow. I had no idea about any of that. So, um, never talked about it. Actually, you're the first one to ever ask me that those questions. Um, yeah.
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 Well, I guess a a very interesting place to start. I don't think anybody was expecting it, but sometimes that's the best way uh to happen. So I I I guess
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 we're supposed to be here for a reason, Lou. Um you know, we go through Yeah. For better, for worse, right? We all have a purpose. For sure.
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 For sure. Um and I guess right now, you know, one of the things that's everybody looks at, of course, is disclosure when
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 it comes to UAPs, uh UFOs, however you want to refer to them these days. And that's something that you're not new to,
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 um by any means. I've told you before, uh I don't know if I mentioned it on here. or maybe I told you privately, but either way, it's I've told you before
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 that uh what you did originally with uh Christopher Melon and how you guys presented the modern-day disclosure
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 effort uh going back to 2017 inspired me to get more into trying to un you know
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 uncover these things and eventually leading into this this show here which is uh coming up on five years which is incredible just in its own right. So,
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 and it's always kind of like a full circle moment for me to have you on the show and to speak with you because I'm not here if it's not for what you guys were doing back.
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 Well, the same holds true with us though, Stephen. I mean, look, what you are able to do and and that with your audience, um, this topic is only being
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 taken seriously now because of people like you. you know, Chris Mill and I were just just a couple of guys and, you know, worked in the in the government
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 and and kind of wanted to to to to speak our peace, but um it was folks like you who had the curiosity and the courage,
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 frankly, to take this topic on head on and and start asking the hard questions and and getting people to pay attention.
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 So in in many many ways in many regards we actually owe where we are today in disclosure because of people like you
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 and and and the curious minds that are that are that are part of your audience.
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 No appreciate that and of course uh ve very much so and everybody out there. I mean, I think that is one thing when you talk about, you know, everyone who now
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 consumes this this subject and this topic. Um, I've noticed it that it's happening more and more now by far and I'm sure you've seen the same thing over
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 the past few years and even just since maybe the start of the year because there's so much that's happened, Lou, that has brought us to where we are today, halfway through 2026 where we
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 look at really just the past few months, uh, going back to Valentine's Day. I remember specifically I was coming back
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 from lunch with my wife and I go on Twitter. She was driving and I go on Twitter and I see that former President
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 Obama is saying, "Yeah, aliens are real." Like, whoa, [laughter] what is going on? And that led us to just a few
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 days after that, Peter Ducey from Fox News asking President Trump, "What do you think of this?" And Trump kind of alluded to, "Yeah, he wasn't supposed to
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 say that, but everybody's interested in this, so I guess we're going to do something about it." Yeah. And now here we are. Uh the first batch of UFO files have come out from
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 the White House. So just can can you kind of take me through Lou and take everybody through what has gone through your mind? And I know you've gone
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 through the motorcycle accident during that time frame. So maybe you weren't paying attention to some of these things that went on. I'm sure you've caught up, but what was going through your mind and
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 thought process of the past few months watching how all this has developed to where we are now?
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 Well, I was going to make a little joke when you know what was the first thing through my mind and it of course it was the the the throttle on the motorcycle.
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 That's the first thing. Um but um no it's it's been um it's been
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 a bit cathartic and not for personal or selfish reasons because so many people had put faith in this this topic and and
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 really had over the years and decades in fact dedicated a lot of lot of their life to studying this topic and they
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 were never taken seriously and now it's not just the United States government which is a pretty big deal um it's other
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 countries as well Um you have countries like Japan, right, and other countries in South America and in Europe, China, um are all admitting, yeah, we got to
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 take this topic seriously because we're we're dealing it with ourselves. And so you have countries owning up to this. Uh and there should
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 be a lot of vindication for a lot of people out there who who, you know, were were part of this effort so many years ago. And again, I do not include myself
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 in in that category. For the record, I'm not a euphologist. I never have been and I probably never will be. Uh I'm just a
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 former government guy who um wanted to to speak his truth to the American people. And it turned out that my
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 portfolio happened to be UFOs. But but I wasn't a UFO guy per se. I wasn't an expert in it. I wasn't until I I I was
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 in the government and I was asked to be part of this effort called called ATIP.
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 Um that's really when I realized that oh my this is this is real. And meanwhile, the government's been been not telling the truth um to the American people, you
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 know, poo pooing it and say, "Oh, there's nothing to see here. We don't spend any money on it. We don't spend any time and and effort, you know, um when they did, and they are, and they
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 were a lot um a lot of effort and for very very good reasons. So, I I think for me, you know, looking back and reflecting, um I have not had the luxury
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 to look back and be like, "Wow, look at all the things I've accomplished." And, you know, haha, see, I told you so. It's [clears throat] never been about that for me. Um, anybody who knows me and
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 knows me well, it's always about doing what's right for other people. Um, I'm I'm the last person in that equation.
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 Now, maybe at some point when, you know, this is all said and done and everybody gets their flavor of disclosure that they're hoping for, um, and I fade off
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 into the sunset, maybe I'll have the time and the luxury to look back and and say, "Wow, look, look at all the things I accomplished." But, but in reality, I
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 don't think so. That's not really my personality. Um, you know, the things that I'm, if you were to ask me right now, what are the things I'm most proud of?
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 I would say it's my children and my marriage.
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 Yeah, those are the two most important things to me and those are the most those are my greatest achievements.
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 Everything else will pale in comparison to being a father and to being a husband. Um, so yeah, I haven't had really much time to reflect personally.
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 I I've had a chance to really kind of be grateful that it's happening because again it's a vindication for a lot of people out there who for many many years were marginalized.
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 Yeah. And I I think you put it really well and I know you know you you have always made it um made it known that you know you're not trying to put yourself
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 in front of everybody else and and I appreciate that. But I I do this hat's a bit of an inside joke. So we were like, "All right, he's wearing he's [clears throat] promoting him." My
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 my my wife made it for me. So it's it's I'm I'm I'm wearing it out of my obligation to her. You know, obviously I know who my what my name is, who I am,
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 but my wife is like, "You always You don't ever wear anything that I get you." I'm like, "Okay, I got it." Well, you did say wife and and kids, and we all know,
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 you know what? If my wife tells me to wear a pink tutu, I'm gonna wear a pink tutu.
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 That's that's what we do to keep our wives happy. That's that's our job as husbands. Um, and with the kids, too.
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 So, yes, I know for anybody I'm glad you brought up because for anybody seen it, they're like, "Doesn't he knows he's Luisando? Why does it say Luzando on on
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 the hat?" Yes. Okay. So, we've covered that. Um, with my wife. [laughter] I like it. I think it's a great color.
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 Um, I do have to ask you though with just just on the professional aspect and it might be the same answer and that's totally fine but when it comes to that
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 professional aspect going back to what you went through basically getting stonewalled I mean as as a professional
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 what you were doing with ATIP you were brought in to do a job and then they stopped you from doing that job. So, does it feel like at least a little bit
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 on that end like at least now they're getting with the program like what I was trying to do 10 years ago?
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 Yeah, there's certainly relief. You know, it's it's it's there's certainly relief that people are finally doing the right thing uh you know in in the
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 government which which they should be doing. And by the way, I don't want to villainize all of government because the government is filled mostly with very good people and patriots, right? Um, but
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 it does make me feel a little bit better because a lot of the things I've told people early on which they did not understand at the time I think they
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 understand now. For example, when I when I would say look you know this is a marathon not a sprint. Disclosure isn't just you know what what's what would
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 make you feel good if about disclosure being real. I said well the president himself got up and said railings are real. Okay well tada you have that. Well if congress came out and said then I'd believe it. Okay fine you have that.
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 Well, if the government stood up another UFO investigative body being paid by the taxpayer money and would release their information, then I'd believe it. Okay.
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 Well, you have that, too. I mean, so so these things take time. They take time, and you have to let these things play out in the right way. Um,
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 and uh I've always I've always said, you know, there's a there's a difference between doing things right and doing things right now.
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 Uh, and we only have one chance to get it right. otherwise we risk going back another 60 years and and you know putting this UFO topic back on the shelf
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 and I don't think we can afford to do that any longer. So um I am grateful to see that. I'm extremely grateful for the members of Congress like Anna Pina Luna
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 and Bett and Berles and even uh Senator Kristen Gillibrand and and Schumer and and Marco Rubio who's now Secretary of
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 State who were part of this effort early on and and really wanted and still want the truth to be
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 told. Um uh that that to me is um
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 I feel extremely blessed to to be witnessing this in my time frame that that I didn't have to wait till after I
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 was dead for this stuff to actually happen. It's happening now while I'm alive and it's happening while other people are alive like while you're alive and the people in your audience are
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 alive, right? They're they're living through history. That's exactly what's happening. Don't look now, but that's what's happening right this moment.
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 You're living through history and there's going to come a point maybe five maybe 10 years down the road you're going to look back and go wow actually we were living through disclosure.
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 Didn't even realize that's what was happening and yet that's exactly what was happening.
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 That actually I'm glad you say that because it takes me kind of directly into something I wanted to ask you which was does this feel different now? And I
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 ask that because in some of the other people that I've spoken to recently um and even outside of the show just just conversations sometimes they you kind of
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 go down the road of well we've seen this before you know it's been covered in the media before it's been brought up in Congress before pred presidents have
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 spoken about it and it's kind of just more of the same it's hot and heavy then it goes away. Um, and I understand that point of view. I understand, you know,
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 kind of being guarded or even jaded in some aspects. But to your point of view and what you were just saying there, does this feel different than all the other time?
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 It is different and there's many reasons why. And it's not just world according to Lou because I'll give you an example.
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 When back in the 70s when people were taking this seriously, they demanded action. The government stood up an investigative body. They came back and they poo pooed everything and said,
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 "Nothing to see here, folks." That's the opposite of what we're seeing right now.
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 In fact, every time a report comes out, there's actually more numbers and there's there's a there's an increased number of anomalies that we can't
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 explain, right? There's more and more whistleblowers coming forward. You have now members of Congress admitting they've been briefed to this topic. And it is real, right? Unlike before where
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 it was all just try to offiscate, offiscate, and put it back, put the cat back in the proverbial bag. That's not at all what's happening here at all. And you also have other countries coming out
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 now saying, "Yeah, you know, we have our own UFO investigative program, too, just like you do." Uh there's a reason for that because this is not just a US phenomenon and I I think it is different
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 than it was before. Now the problem with that is also it's times like this that we are at our most perilous. We're most
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 vulnerable because um you know it just takes the bad act of of of of one person
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 um to to destroy this whole thing. This is why it's important that we we try our best to maintain our credibility. Uh we
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 try to avoid making amateur mistakes, which I'm the first one to admit I've made made my fair share of plenty of
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 mistakes. Uh and I continue to make them and that's because I'm human and I'm going to continue to try to learn from those mistakes and not make those same mistakes again. But but we all make
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 mistakes and there are people waiting in the shadows to capitalize on that. They want to. So they're actually hoping and and betting on you to fail um because they have a different agenda.
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 And so, you know, we have to be mindful of that. We we cannot take our foot off the accelerator right now. We can't get we cannot sit back on our laurels and be
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 like, "Oh, wow. Look at everything we we accomplished together and see, we told you we were right. Haha. You know, who's a silly one now?" Um although that may
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 feel good for the moment. That's that's not what we don't we don't have that luxury to do that. Now, we real now the hard work comes into play because
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 there's going to be a lot of people now scratching their head and say, "Oh crap, now what do we do?" Right? And so, um, I think this is different. I think this is
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 different and and it's different in many ways.
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 That's that's it's really interesting because, you know, one one thing that comes to mind when you talk about that is something that I've even wondered
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 about myself when it comes to that truth coming out, right? Whatever that disclosure, ultimate disclosure, however
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 someone characterizes that, and let's say the world now believes it, right?
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 There's no question. Oh, wow. Okay, there is other life out there. What happens after that, Lou? This is again, this is something I've I've brought up a
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 couple of times here on the show just in my own thoughts because once people learn that truth, there's other life forms, other intelligent life coming
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 from wherever it might be coming from or however they get here.
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 What happens then? Meaning now they have questions about other things that have come up. abductions, uh, coverups,
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 possible crimes being committed, possible really serious crimes being committed where people are, you know, silenced in air quotes.
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 Yeah, there is a there is kind of a a a domino effect to this. So, and this is why the government and others have for very long been trying to
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 not have this conversation because you can't acknowledge the reality of UAP and then not go down the next train of
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 logic, right? his next questions and those are the ones that are really going to be those people are going to have a hard time answering that.
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 How do they deal with that? I mean, how do they come to those? Does it just I guess does it become more of a plan of
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 hey, let's get basic disclosure out there? I know David Grush has used that term before. You know, they're here, they've been here, we've recovered different, you know, biologics or
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 crafts. Um, and is is that where they stop, do you think, Lou, or and they just start to ignore the the questions that come with it? I mean, how do you
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 think they end up playing that? I know it's an impossible question to answer, but Well, my recommendation early on was not
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 to villainize the individuals responsible. I know we always want our pound of flesh, proverbally speaking, but but I had the
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 opposite approach. I think we incentivize. I think what we do is people who may have done things for national security reasons, they probably believe what they were doing was for
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 real national security reasons. Give them an award. Give them give them a year to come out. give them a sunset clause and say, "Come out. You're now a hero. Thank you very much for your for
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 your support to national security and sign this document and you can tell us everything and you're not going to be prosecuted, right?"
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 Um, now after a year, if they don't come forward and you find out that we're part of a legacy effort, then that's a different conversation. Right? Now it's like, okay, now we're going to have a
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 different we're going to have a different discussion. But I think what you do is you incentivize these people.
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 Um, because enough people are scared right now. Um, a lot of people don't want to come out because they're afraid that, hey, look, maybe I did something I shouldn't have because I thought I was
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 supposed to. And, you know, now they're gonna they're gonna try to use me as a scapegoat. So, we have to minimize that.
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 Um, and minimize the rhetoric and the noise that you hear on social media like, "Oh, these people should be prosecuted, man, if I put them in jail forever." And well, that's not very
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 helpful to say that because people who want to come out um, you know, are now scared. They're already scared of of elements in their
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 government coming after them. Now you're going to tell them that, you know, you're going to come after him with some sort of mob mentality with pitchforks and torches and, you know, I mean,
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 that's that's that's not helpful, you know. Um, and so I think we have to we have to take a different approach. Um,
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 you know, and these people that want to come out already know what's at stake. You know, they saw what happened to me.
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 They saw the lies and obfiscation and deceit that came out of the Pentagon for the first few years about me. Uh, they did the same thing with Dave Bruce. They
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 did the same with anybody who came out, right? That's the playbook. And I knew and I I already knew that was going to happen. So, you know, I always had a very clean record and my my work ethic
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 was always was always unimpeachable uh when I was in the government. But, you know, that other folks are not so
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 lucky. Um, and they will they will use every dirty trick to try to to try to silence you. And, you know, for a while it's it's pretty effective. You know,
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 I'm not going to lie to you. There were days where I'd sit there and say, "Man, was this all really worth it?" um you know the the the strife that it caused my family and myself and and and
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 my friends and and whatnot. So um ultimately though I do I do think it was worth it. Um I think you know
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 collectively we are here. Um I I think there are probably people out there that
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 should get more recognition but they prefer to remain in the shadows and out of respect for them I I I I won't acknowledge them until until I'm I'm
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 allowed to. But, you know, there's some real heroes in this story. There's some people who really, really worked hard behind the scenes, especially up in the the Senate Select Committee on
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 Intelligence, and staff there and on the the HIPSY, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, and the Hask and the Sask. There's some real heroes
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 here. Um, that, you know, we we owe a great deal of gratitude to and well said. Um, c can I ask you, what
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 was what were some of those moments when you think back on it? you know, you know, now you can look back and kind of retrospect and say it, you know, I feel
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 like it was worth it. Um, but what were some of those doubting moments, if you don't mind, man? Well, there was a time they were
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 they were the Pentagon was using hack journalists um to promote a narrative, a false narrative. And um you know,
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 fortunately there were people there that could vouch for me. Fortunately there was documentation to validate and substantiate everything I was saying.
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 Uh, but you know, I'm not going to lie, it it was tough. And you have, you know, you have these, again, these hacked journalists who have interest and are being paid, in some cases, paid to write stories.
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 Um, and they're not doing their due diligence, you know, and they're they're they're they're speaking halftruths, you know. Let me give you an example. There there's there's two words in the English
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 dictionary that I can say together and they'll mean one thing, but if I put a little bit of a pause between the two words can mean something completely
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 different. And and this is why it's important for journalists today to to recognize the the power uh of words.
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 Words mean something, right? So, for example, if um if I'm driving a a car, right? Uh and um
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 there's a there's a fire on the road and I say, "Don't stop." Right. Keep going. Right. Don't stop.
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 Yeah. Um, and then if there is, uh, you know, if there's someone being attacked in an alleyway and I say, "Don't
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 stop." Right? That means stop doing what you're doing.
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 Uh, or, you know, if I if my my daughter's going to run a red light or or or a stop sign and I say, "Don't
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 stop." Right? Meaning, you have to stop versus don't stop. Keep going. Right? Right?
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 So opposite meanings, two words that when put together and and journalists understand that very well and they they understand how how words have meaning
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 and the absence of words also have meaning. So they some journalists that are less scrupulous, you know, create these false innuendos and and and
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 they're okay with it because it it sells and if it sells it helps their career.
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 So there's a there's a monetary incentive there for some of these journalists to put out some of the nonsense that they've put out in the
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 past. Um, now that's not saying every journalist is that way because there's some really, really, really good ones that I've had the honor and privilege to to talk to and speak with. Um, and not
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 because they like me, right? They can hate me, but the fact is that they're a good journalist. They're doing their due diligence.
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 So, I can respect that. I can respect that. Um, uh, those were probably the hard moments because, you know, social media can be
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 very cruel uh, and, um, unforgiving. And when you have a family and you know your kids, you know, get on to X or Twitter
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 or they they see some of the vitil coming out um about about their dad, you know, and it's it's terrible. They like,
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 "Dad, you know, I they don't know. Why are they saying these things about you?
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 They don't know you." And I say, "Well, that's exactly why they're saying it because they don't know me." And and I I' I've got I've got to ask this, Lou. I know it might be
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 uncomfortable, but No, no, it's okay. Yeah. You know, we're on the subject.
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 And I completely, by the way, identify with what you're saying because not on the level that you've had, but I've had a couple of instances myself where it's like, geez, people are really being
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 nasty. Like, I don't even want my family to see what they're saying. So, I sympathize with that. Um, but there's there has been some things coming out,
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 of course, when it comes to the missing scientists or the scientists who have come who have or been straight up killed
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 or found dead, maybe I should say. And one of them that came up over the past few years was Amy Escaridge. And people
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 bring up your name in connection with her. They say that Amy Amy Esgridge said Lou Alzando is evil. Um, now I never heard her say that. I don't know where
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 she said that, but people say that she said it and then she, you know, she said she felt like she was being threatened or that her life was in danger. And
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 people they they tried to connect the dots. So, how [clears throat] do you react when you hear those things? And do you have any knowledge as to why Amy Amy
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 Esgridge was allegedly saying that you were evil?
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 Yeah, I don't know why she says evil. I had the opportunity to meet her once uh since about 2018 time frame with some of my colleagues and she had indicated to
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 me over dinner that they were being threatened, intimidated, uh that the the work, the alleged work that they were doing on anti-gravidics, her and her father, that there were people out there
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 that were trying to silence them. Um and I I was very interesting. and she offered to give us a demonstration which
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 never never happened. Never never got a chance to go back and see it. Um but I was very sympathetic. Um but I I didn't
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 know her very well at all. Um as far as Lou Alzandanda being evil, look, she's entitled to her opinion. Um I don't know
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 where that comes from. I think it's a shame u because I've done nothing more nothing but but support um morally her,
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 you know, her convictions. Um, I look, I don't know what happened to to Amy Escridge. I think whatever happened is is terrible. You know, you ask her family one thing and they'll tell you
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 one thing. You ask somebody else and they'll tell you it's something else. I really don't know. Um, I certainly never intimidated her or her father. Actually, I wanted to help them.
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 Um, unfortunately, you know, things happened and and she was gone before anything could be
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 done. Um, I don't know. I think part of that might also be that, you know,
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 desperate people in desperate times do desperate things.
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 Um, and so it's quite possible because I came out and I wasn't giving in the answers that they either wanted or expected, maybe they lumped me into a
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 category of people that, you know, they they didn't like very much. I I don't know. Maybe, you know, probably the best thing to do because because she is
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 survived by her father, I'd ask her dad and say, "Hey, you know what? What what was the beef that Amy had with Lou?
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 Because I I've always had nothing but but positive things to say about her.
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 And I know it is a tough subject, but it's one that um No, no, no. It's okay. It's I mean, it's not tough for me. I I you know, I met
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 her once, right? It's it's just one of those odd things that kind of you know, float around out there. So, I had to uh bring
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 it up, you know, to try to Well, keep in mind though, pay attention to your source. If it's somebody said who somebody said who Amy said, then that doesn't mean anything. But if
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 there's, you know, video of Amy saying lose evil, then okay, you know, what is it that I that I did that was so evil? I'm prepared to
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 listen to it. But yeah, fair enough. Um, you know, when we but when we do talk about those just on the bigger picture, I know because uh some
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 of the people in Congress you mentioned, uh I guess what I like to refer to maybe fair or unfair as the big three with
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 Burchchett and Luna and Burlson these days because they do seem to be um the most outwardly speaking on this subject
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 throughout the national news outlets and they they got very much involved in the conversation about the missing or found dead scientists and and military officials. I'd be concerned. Absolutely.
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 So on on that on that thought, what were your thoughts just overall on that on that big picture? I mean, you're Well, I mean, I've made it for the record. I've been threatened myself. My
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 life, the reason why I live with five German shepherds and I'm always heavily armed. I mean, that's no joke about you've experienced it. Law Yeah.
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 experience. You know, they tried administrative terrorism by trying to, you know, threaten my security clearance. When that didn't work, they started ratcheting up and up. And yeah,
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 you can also ask people like David Grouch, you know, he's been subject to the same type of intimidation and harassment that I have been. Um, you know, it it's a shame and and I I try
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 not to lump the entire government with those bad actors because it's not fair.
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 There's really good people in government and I I but there's also some real real dirt bags too, unfortunately. And those
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 are the ones that, you know, if there is a campaign to silence people, um, then that's a problem. Um, you know, I I I am
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 completely and totally against any type of of behavior like that, especially with people now disappearing and and potentially being killed. And I, you
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 know, these are very serious allegations.
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 And that's exactly the word, right? Is is allegations because we we think about what is being alleged, what is being thought of, is it is it adversarial? Is
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 it happening within sectors of our own governments? you know, this kind of um you know, dark secret shadow government,
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 if you will. Um the deep state as as some refer to it. I mean, where do you point to with with something like this?
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 Is it just I know it's complete conjecture, but where do you kind of point to given your own experiences? Is it similar to what you've seen with tactics that you've experienced?
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 It is. Um you know, there's it almost as if it's coming from a playbook. Um, but look, this is not the first time our government has tried to silence people.
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 You know, you can go back to the Karen Silkwood incident. You can go back to when uh the Iran Contra story first broke. You can go back to the Pentagon
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 papers, right? And go and now MK Ultra, perfect example, right? CIA's development and and and and fielding of
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 LSD um on unsuspecting people, which resulted in the death of at least one, if not more individuals. Um, you know,
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 there's We have done things in the past as a government that haven't always been in the best interest of the American people. And then when and you know they
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 get caught, the first thing to do is deny everything, admit nothing, and make counter accusations. And that's that's pretty much the playbook.
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 It's it's startling um to say the least when you when you look at the situation and and it seems to have at least for now as we speak uh slowed down uh in the
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 news cycle and the continuous numbers that were being added to the count unfortunately. Um it seems to have slowed down but you can't help but
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 obviously to notice that it was very very strange and sad because a lot of these people like General McCasslin was one that was brought up a lot. Uh did
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 you have any knowledge Lou of what he was involved with? There was a lot of rumors about what General McCassley was involved with with Wright Patterson Air
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 Force Base and and everything along those lines. Absolutely.
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 Yeah. I was involved in stealth technology, advanced propulsion, uh low cross-section, um all this stuff we won't see for another 50 years. Um
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 that's that was his job. Air Force Research Laboratory, AFLRL. Um the these folks are some of the best of the best.
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 Um they handle the black budgets in some cases. Um and and really are on the tip of the spear so to speak of the US's RD&
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 research development technology and evaluation experimentation. So there's there's a lot of there's a lot of um there's a big center of gravity there.
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 But, you know, there was another individual that I I I met personally. He was a Department of Energy special agent uh for their IG shop, senior special
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 agent. In fact, he was a special agent in charge. And he was uh weeks, if not days away from going to go to Congress
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 with me and and be a whistleblower. And uh he was found dead by his wife on his living room sofa.
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 And that's a name that hasn't come out publicly yet to be associated with these other missing scientists and and individuals. So, real real quick if you don't mind just holding the thought real
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 quick because I do want to hear the rest. But that's that's not Matthew Sullivan you're talking about. Is this somebody different? Somebody else. I know Sullivan, too.
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 Yeah. Quake. Um, but that's that was more of of Grush's guy. Um, this is somebody completely different. The name's never been been revealed publicly yet, I don't think.
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 Wow. Oh my gosh. So, this is this is something you've seen personally like you've known Sullivan and you knew somebody Oh, no. A lot of the whistleblowers we
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 know actually have stories of of of intimidation and um and and physical threats and violence. It it's not and retribution, professional retribution.
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 This is not speculation. It's it's it's demonstrable.
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 Who So who does it, Lou? I mean, is it is it hired I I know this is sensitive,
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 but I mean, is it hired people? These are professional assassins that come through. Is it somebody within the deep state that's just like, you know, you're
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 activated to go carry out a job and take somebody out? I mean, how does this happen?
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 Yeah. So, my suspicion is, you know, the government is very clever whenever they want to do something and they don't want to necessarily be be held accountable.
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 They use cutouts. They always have one degree of separation away from them and anything happening just so they don't
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 get blamed for it. So there are um there are are enclaves I'll call them that
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 enclaves of individuals who are uh very sympathetic to the government position and are often times used to do things um
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 that maybe the government itself either doesn't want to or can't do or for whatever reason um is unable to do. So they hire these other people that
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 usually have some sort of military experience, some sort of potentially even law enforcement experience, special operations experience,
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 um niched experiences that they can then leverage to do things. Um and look, it's no
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 it it's really not a big leap of faith if if you know if you know a professional who knows how to find somebody, how to track somebody down, they also know how to make somebody
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 disappear. M. So we're we're talking mercenaries essentially.
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 Um, you know, potentially contractors, you know, things like that.
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 There's something that that has stuck with me. Um, and I I blame I completely blame Christopher Sharp for this. So if if you for anybody who doesn't know, of
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 course, uh, Christopher Sharp is uh the editor-inchief at Liberation Times, contributed to the Daily Mail. for my money, the the best journalist covering
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 this subject. And that's not to give, you know, shade toward anybody else who does it. There's a lot of really great ones, but I just I think Chris is is really towards the top.
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 Yeah, he's fantastic. For sure.
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 Fantastic. And um when he was on here with me, he said he has said something with that has now stuck with me for the past two months. He went into a deep
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 dive about basically the underbelly of the deep state. And I want to get your take on it when it comes to
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 how essentially or how allegedly it works where you have these um underlings, not you know people who work
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 at a desk but high enough position, deputy directors, deputy assistants, people like that who are really the ones calling the shots because you know you
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 have your directors and you have even the president of the United States who are looked at as part-time employees.
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 directors are put there, you know, as far as administration, you know, puts you in that position, but it's really the people under them that are running
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 the show. Is that is that what you've experienced, Lou? I mean, is that the kind of like stuff that Well, it's it's a fact. Look, when I was
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 with ATIP, you know, the president wasn't briefed to it. The secretary of defense wasn't briefed to it. It was only a few members of Congress and a
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 couple folks, you know, here and there in the CIA and the DoD. uh and it was done that way on purpose. It was compartmentalized. And then you've got,
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 you know, the other the other other shoe, if you will, that is there are certain circumstances, going to sound crazy, but just bear with me for a
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 minute. There are certain circumstances where the US government is legally
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 allowed to lie to and deny knowledge of certain actions and
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 operations. and they can lie to not only the American people, but they can lie to Congress with the exception of the gang of six um and and not even potentially
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 tell the president. And so those that category of operations is traditionally called covert action. If you want to look at the legal definition, you can
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 see um when covert action is authorized and under what circumstances and what can be done to hide those operations.
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 And you are absolutely allowed to lie.
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 And if anybody who's not part of that operation, they do not get read in and you can outwardly tell them straight up, we are not doing this, we are not part
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 of this. And you can do it legally. Now the question is, does that get abused?
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 Yes, it does all the time. Um, those are very legal, very specific legal parameters in which you can conduct
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 those type of operations, which by the way, covert action is not necessarily the same as clandestine operations.
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 people like to use the words interchangeably, but covert and clandestine are not the same legally.
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 Um, and you know, there there are these checks and balances that are supposed to exist. The problem is a lot of times
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 they're not there. Those guard rails aren't there. And so you have a middle middle manager bureaucrat that's calling the shots and making unilateral
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 decisions when quite frankly they don't have the authority to make those decisions. But they they do because they they they cover themselves under the
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 guise of some sort of special type mission or operation that gives them the authority to do that and to lie and to even even even use propaganda against the American people if necessary.
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 Just incredible. And it's I mean it's really frustrating. I'm sure it's been frustrating for you um you know to know how these things are happening behind the scenes.
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 No, I'll tell you right now it's frustrating. Right now I the reason why I'm being very general in my speaking towards you because Stephen every interview that I do there's somebody at
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 the Pentagon listening to every single word I say. They are waiting for me to trip up. They're waiting for me to say reveal something classified and go
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 gotcha and then remove me. Uh you know you read a headline Alzando's house got swatted you know because uh it was
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 revealing classified information. That's not going to happen with me because I'm not revealing classified information.
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 Right? They've tried to threaten that before and I've told them, "Okay, you better be prepared legally because I I I know what's in the classification guide.
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 I know exactly what I'm allowed to say and I'm happy to do go public and let let everybody see, hey, the classification guide says specifically,
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 I am allowed to talk about this. You cannot sequester me for that." And also, it's illegal to classify information just because it's embarrassing. You really can only classify information to
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 do two things. Protect sources and methods. um and every and there's derivatives of that as well, right? But but for the most part, you're protecting sources and methods.
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 You can't classify something simply because you're trying to cover malfeasants or fraud or because it's embarrassing. That's it's actually says in there you can't do that.
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 So, um that's an abuse of of power. And so, you know, I the one thing I do happen to know very well are the rules and the laws and the policies that govern uh US intelligence operations.
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 And that so far for me from my perspective is what's kept me here and why I'm not wearing an orange jumpsuit because I'm very very careful and
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 diligent on knowing where those red lines are and I never cross them.
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 Yeah. Well, shout out to everybody at the Pentagon. It's I'm I'm glad I'm glad you're I hope you're enjoying the show
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 and uh feel feel free to come on as a guest anytime. Love to talk to you.
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 [laughter]
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 Um wait till you look out your window now and see who's parked out front. I'm sure. No, I'm kidding. Yeah, exactly.
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 Where are those black SUVs? [laughter] But when when we do look at some of these, Lou, and we think about how far
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 back this goes, right? I know a lot of people um go as far back as the Eisenhower administration where, you know, he warned about the
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 military-industrial complex. And that's kind of where a lot of people pinpoint where this started to kind of get out of
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 hand as far as a, you know, clandestine type of government behind the scenes that the deep state. Uh, number one, do
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 you agree with that? And number two, who was someone like someone like Dick Cheney is has been brought up before as
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 a gatekeeper. Um, was he a gatekeeper as far as you know? And can you talk about any other ones that maybe you can throw
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 out there that you know may or may not have been gatekeeping information within the federal government over the years? Wow. A lot to unpack there. Yeah. Sorry.
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 Let's first start with what you said about this going back to Eisenhower. I think it goes well before then
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 if not decades if not centuries millennia really you have to understand that we're dealing with with with human beings
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 ultimately and the way we process information and the ways why the reason why society works societies work because
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 you have some sort of structure some sort of infrastructure there that rules and laws
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 um are applied and everybody has this social understanding that yes, this makes sense. You know, I will not murder, I will not do this, I will pay
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 my taxes, I will Right. Uh and they're called laws. Um and and society works off of those. Um case in point with uh
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 with the Vatican, right? What happened when Galileo Galilee first proposed his
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 heliocentric model of our solar system, right?
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 instead of the earth centric model which at the the time the church believed that was the truth.
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 Well, they they they persecuted him. In fact, they threatened to burn him alive on the stake and they even refused to look through the very telescope that would have proved his theory, right?
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 That no, everything revolves around the sun. The reason why is because the church at the time thought it was a threat to their narrative. Well, if this
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 is true, then everything else we say can be up for question now and we're not going to have any authority, right? So we have to we have to shut this down immediately.
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 Religions are no different than any other institution or organization or government. Okay? We just happen to call our government the United States of
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 America and back in Galileo's time it was called the Vatican. Right? But for the most part, you know, it was it was a
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 form of governance. Um and this is this is nothing new even with us. You see it in China. You see in Russia. You see the
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 shaping of narratives in order for people to look. Governments only work because the people have faith and confidence in those organizations.
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 Um once people lose faith and confidence in a government that is really the end for the government at that point. That
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 is the real threat of any g government is when people question the authority and authenticity of that government. So
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 realizing that governments are very sensitive to anything that goes against any narrative that they have put out. No different than religions, no different than anything else because why?
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 Governments are made up of people just like religions are and everything else.
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 So really it's a people issue. It's not a government issue. It's not a religious issue. It's a people issue. We like to control things.
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 Um and it is just the way we are. So I think this goes way further back than than Eisenhower. Uh, I think whatever
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 the the elite social class is at that time, they're the ones who make the rules. And right now, we're living in in a in a time where, you know, a lot of
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 the rules are being made by people who have a lot of money. And then where does that money come from? Well, a lot of it came from earlier on with R&D and and
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 and government programs and government contracts, right? some of the largest the the largest uh aerospace companies
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 um started off back in the you know 50s 40s and 50s uh making you know engines for for propeller aircraft and and
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 ailerons and aviation parts. So um there is an old saying that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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 Yeah.
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 Uh and and in today's day and age power it translates to money. money. It can buy you a lot of things. It can buy you
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 access. It can buy you privilege. It can buy you uh protection. It can buy you a lot of stuff. And so, you know, that old
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 I hate to use old cliche, follow the money, if you want to know where some of this comes from, but I'd say follow the money.
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 Now, back to your next question, which was, are there any particular individuals? Yeah.
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 Um, you know, there there are um there are, but what I don't want to do is be irresponsible. say someone's name and
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 then all of a sudden um you know they have this social mob showing up at their door, you know, and and wanting their
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 quote unquote pound of flesh. Um I don't want to do that. Um there are people out there, even even those who I would
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 consider enemies of of Lou, right? There are people out there, by the way, for the record, I wish no ill will on on
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 Sean Kurpatre. Um but he has not been good for this cause. He's actually in my opinion my opinion
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 has has hurt this this effort tremendously but fortunately in doing so um he proves proved himself no one had
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 to prove it for him um you know of of hiding information misleading and and and obfiscation
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 um but with that said I just because of my feelings towards him I wouldn't want him personally attacked I wouldn't want anybody hurting him or intimidating him or his family he's a family guy just like I am.
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 Right.
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 Right. And I know people are really really upset, you know, and they look at people like him as part of the the root of all evil and and the problem we're in this mess to begin with.
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 I don't think so. I think he's a symptom. I don't think he's the cause of the problem. I think he's a symptom. I think I think people like Sean Kurpatre may not even themselves realize what
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 they're doing. um they may be so institutionalized, so part of the system that they're just doing what they normally do and not even realize that
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 they're they're pushing a a false agenda.
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 Um and so that's why I don't really fault Sean Kurpatre. A lot of people say, "Man, don't you hate that guy, you know, and aren't aren't you glad you were right?" I don't even think about it
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 to be honest with you. Um you know, I I if you were to ask me, "Well, what do you what do you wish for for Kurpatre?"
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 I hope he's got a nice job. I hope he can retire in happiness and spend a little more time with his wife and his kids. Uh, you know, um, that's that's my
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 hope for him. Uh, and that's my hope for for a lot of people that, you know, and then there's been people on the other side that have been torchbears. There's
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 people right now that I uh I can't say publicly their names, at least not yet, but when they're ready to, I will. And they deserve a tremendous amount of
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 credit. I just said that earlier today, you know, with you that that there's people in the shadows that that really haven't had their day yet. and they deserve that day. They they have done
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 they have done incredible work for this country, especially not just of course with UAP, but also spent time in combat and warfare. Um, and they've never even
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 had so much as a single single thank you.
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 So, you know, those th those are the preferably the names I prefer to I prefer to focus on. Those are the ones I'd rather elevate and and and see get that recognition that that they deserve.
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 And the other ones, well, you know, I hope they find their peace and their happiness.
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 Um, just just to I guess bring up one more thing on that is because he's not
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 with us anymore. Is Dick Cheney someone that you could name or do we just not feel that it's right to name anybody or maybe he's one of them?
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 He was absolutely involved and that's all I'm going to say. Okay.
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 Do you think he had knowledge like real knowledge of bodies? I can't go into detail and I I won't out of out of for
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 the sake of the privacy of his family, but he was very very knowledgeable. Okay.
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 Officially, fair enough. Then, um, when I want to I hate to jump back and forth, Lou, because I like to try to, you know, obviously keep things moving.
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 No, no, no. Go ahead. It's okay.
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 Yeah. There's just something that's really sticking with me from just about 20 minutes ago, and I know we only have like 15 minutes left, and this has flown by. I mean, I I've probably spent three
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 hours just going back and forth with you on these things. Um, so I guess we'll just have to do it again in the future.
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 But Sure.
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 in the last 15 minutes, I I do want to just go back real quick to what you said about the person that you knew that was found dead. And again, very sensitive.
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 Uh, my condolences to that family. Of course, we don't know who it is, but it's a terrible thing that happened. Can
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 you give us any indication as to um what they might have had knowledge about?
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 I can tell you exactly. They they came to me. They were a senior special agent with Department of Energy and they worked in their IG shop, Inspector
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 General. And he said, um I've uncovered um stuff that I need to tell Congress about, Lou, about UFOs. Uh and uh I'm
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 very concerned by it. I said, okay, well, let me see what I can I can arrange for you. So after several discussions with the individual um he uh
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 yeah I'm ready to talk to Congress, ready to go because you know I I now Department of Energy is trying to go after me now. They're trying to you know
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 some form of reprisal uh because I I've I guess I've seen what I've seen and I'm about to say what I'm about to say. Wow.
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 So I said, "Okay, uh well, you know, these folks certainly in Congress can can help give you a layer of protection that right now you're not afforded."
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 And uh the next thing I knew, I get a call from his wife saying that uh she came home and he was dead on the sofa.
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 Good gosh.
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 And uh and that's not the only one. There's there others as well. Um, you know, Chris Melon, uh, if he should tell you,
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 if you ever want to ask him, I won't say his story for him because this this is his to tell, but, uh, Chris Melon had somebody, uh, who was allegedly an
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 engineer, I believe, on the legacy program, and he was about to come forward and and and talk and, uh, was
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 either a few days or a week before he was meeting Chris Melon, he wound up dead and that name is not public either. So,
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 you know, there's a lot of lot of people that are winding up either disappearing or meeting an end that is just kind of
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 frankly weird. Uh there's several of these folks didn't even have an autopsy and you have the medical examiner, the coroner giving a cause of
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 death and they've never even seen the body. So, yeah. Right. I mean, wait a minute.
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 I I was going to ask, right? Exactly. Because that was something that was just running through my mind. I mean, what did they attribute these mysterious deaths to? I mean, you
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 know, with Matthew Sullivan, I think they said it was, and correct me if I'm wrong, please, but I think they said it was a drug overdose or a suicide. It was one of those that they attributed it to
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 with him. Um, I'm telling you that was not Quake. Quake was not suicidal.
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 Yeah, that was his call sign. Um, you know, but you'd have to ask Dave Bruch about that. Dave Dave Dave knows him.
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 Uh, but you can imagine to people like Dave and I, that's that's a very clear sign when people start disappearing, you know, you better pay attention
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 and and Right. And absolutely it's it's scary. It's downright scary quite quite honestly. And but with with Matthew
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 Sullivan, may he rest in peace. And they they they said something about it. Now, these people that you're mentioning that
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 had to do with with you and with Chris Melon, we don't know who those people are. Of course, those names haven't come out. But did they ever say anything
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 about cause of death or was it just here? It's it's done.
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 Yeah. the the the individual I I I was speaking to um allegedly died of COVID,
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 but that morning when his spouse left uh for the morning, he was fine. Came home and he was dead on the couch.
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 Wow. Um you know, it's uh it's certainly concerning.
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 Again, I don't want to be conspiratorial here and we got to be very careful because obviously a lot of scientists, like doctors, like lawyers, like garbagemen can die of cancer, right?
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 Things happen. You get run over by a car, you're walking through an intersection and someone hits you on an escooter or something like that, right?
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 So, it life can be dangerous just the fact of living alone. So, we have to be careful not to say all of these were
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 done under nefarious situations and suspicious deaths. But when you look at the people they're talking about, right,
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 like McCasland, right, and like Amy Eskridge and like Quake, you know, um Sultan, Mr.
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 Sullivan, um and other individuals, they had one thing in common, and that was the UAP topic. Um they were involved in
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 some way either directly or tangentially with with UAP. And we're going to talk about UAP. So that for me it's it's it's
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 a little concerning, right? It's not like, hey, you know, 10 dead scientists.
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 Well, you know, maybe one had high cholesterol, maybe one was obese, maybe one was this, right? But at the end of the day, you know, when they just wind up disappearing or you start looking at
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 some of the crime scene photos, you know, photos, I'm going to say crime scene because allegedly no crime exists, but
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 you start noticing some really, really interesting things and say, hm, that is not consistent with the story. you know, you're saying one thing, but I'm looking
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 at this and it that's not the case. So, um, yeah. Yeah.
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 But to ask the questions. I mean, especially in a situation like with with the man that you knew. I mean, his wife says that she left that day and he was fine. I presume that means he wasn't
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 showing signs of COVID at that time or that he had tested positive for CO at that time. So, we it's only fair to ask the questions, right?
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 Absolutely. Absolutely. And you know, I I always tell people if something happens once, it can be an anomaly. If
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 something happens again, it could be a coincidence. Happens a third time, now you're talking it's a trend, right? There's a pattern.
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 Yeah. And he obviously knew something again. I I tend to dig too deep, and I apologize for that. But there's no such thing as digging too
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 deep. And there's no dumb question. You can ask me anything you want. If I can't answer it, I'll do exactly like I've been doing. I'll I'll do a polite pass, but I'll always always acknowledge your
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 question. I appreciate that uh cuz I can't help it. So, you know, when you talk about the knowledge that he said he wanted to pass off to Congress and
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 working with the Department of Energy, that's obviously something that's been spoken about as a gatekeeper um you know, sector of the government, if you
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 will, ever since it was under Oppenheimer is, you know, the Atomic Energy Commission um going that far back. So when you have someone like this
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 who was then found dead, was he talking about reverse engineered technology that he
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 was going to, you know, mention? Was it biologics? Was or was it just something having to do that pointed to, hey, there's something going on that they're
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 not telling the truth about and they didn't like that he was going to talk?
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 Yeah, it was the historical involvement of the Department of Energy in in the UAP issue and and and how much do they
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 really know? Um and turns out that according to this individual it was a lot uh so much so that they you know
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 tried to intimidate him and who knows what else.
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 So just just being part of the historical legacy programs was enough then he had found out how much how far
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 back that history went according to what he felt he knew and that was it.
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 So look it people say well everybody says department of energy what what role do they really have? Well, a lot of people don't know this, but
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 Department of Energy actually has a lot of authority, especially over anything that gives off a radioactive signature over X amount, Department of Energy has
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 primacy. That's why if you got any nuclear power plant, Department of Energy is there. That's why if you got any uh you know, there's a a nuclear um propulsion on board a Navy boat, right?
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 There's always some sort of Department of Energy equity there. Um same thing with nuclear weapons. Department of Energy is always sitting side saddle
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 with whoever owns the warhead, right? Or the the rocket um because they are they are fundamentally responsible for
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 anything with a certain signature of X plus. And then when you have the topic of UAP, um it turns out that we are
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 fairly confident that the propulsion units on these things um can often give up uh a a a radioactive types signal
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 like like the source it can give off and again I'll be very careful what I say and how I say it but but just that you know there's some form of radiation um
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 that is that is emitted and and that has from my understanding what has been the the the predicate for Department of Energy involvement.
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 Do you feel we've intentionally taken down craft, Lou? I know that's something that gets brought up sometimes that we have intentionally either tried or
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 actually successfully taken down um non-human intelligence craft vehicles, whatever you want to call them. Has that happened according to your knowledge?
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 So, let me let me answer in a way that I can answer it because it's already been approved by the Pentagon. I talk about it um
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 talked about a little while ago in something that I wrote uh and it's uh I talk about um something called project
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 interloper where during the 2015 time frame there were so many incursions of
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 UAP into Navy airspace uh during workups and practice and also during live missions that we had created an effort
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 uh at the time that would u lure in UFOs lure in UAP. We were going to put out a big huge nuclear footprint out in the
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 middle of the ocean knowing that the UFOs were going to show up and then when they did, we'd have collection assets there ready uh as a trip wire to start
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 collecting information. Um it was brought up in one of our meetings that do we want to if we have the opportunity, do we want to bring one
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 down? Um I was one of the voices to say I probably wouldn't do that. I think that's a bit too provocative. I I think that could be considered a hostile
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 intent and what we don't want to do is anything to upset or piss off um you know if these folks if these are really
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 truly our friends from out of town so to speak you don't want to do something that provokes them into an action that we we may not be prepared for. So I
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 think we need to be be very cautious not to do that. I think we're okay collecting information. it's okay, you
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 know, luring them out, but I wouldn't go that next step of any type of kinetic effort to to try to bring one down. Um,
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 and that view was shared by others as well in the Pentagon. Um, but not by everybody. And there were people who said, well, you know, we've tried to do
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 it in the past. Why shouldn't we do it now? Um, you know, and it's a good question, but my my response is that I just I I don't think we should do that.
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 I don't think we should be provocative that way. You know, one thing is to to to passively assess something and and analyze
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 something and collect information on something passively. Another thing is to actively do it. And and you know, if active translates to kinetic, then I I don't think we should do that.
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 Um, very interesting. Real quick, because I do want to ask you about the tour. I know we're almost out of time, so I really want to ask you about the tour, but I I should have asked maybe
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 this this question an hour ago, but uh what was your impression of the file release so far that we've seen from the White House? What I mean, what was your overall feeling when that came out?
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 I think it was excellent. People were like, "Ah, it's a nothing burger." Oh, really? Uh did you see the moon photos that we did back in a surface of the
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 moon? By the way, 1969, 1970, we did not have satellites orbiting the moon. there was only one thing orbiting the moon and that was a lunar orbiter waiting for the
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 for the lunar lander to rem to rendevous back up top there. So when you have multiple photographs taken by NASA,
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 right, for NASA from the surface of the moon and you're seeing things that NASA's now saying, "Hey, it's possible these are
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 real things. By the way, hello. Did you hear me? They might be real things, right?" Um, that's pretty dynamite, especially
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 considering just last year NASA was saying nothing to see here, folks. We don't have anything in our collection or archives. And also, oops. Oh, here you go. Look, look what we found. Uh, and
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 that's just the tip of the iceberg. Um, no, I think it's a hell of a great start. You know, the problem is most people in the UFO community now are so
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 sensitized to this because they are they've been inundated with this for this has been part of their life for the last seven, nine, 10 shoo 20, 30 years,
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 right? um that uh you know anything other than you know 8K ultra highdefinition 20 minute video of this
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 thing landing on the White House lawn and coming out and and and mowing the lawn uh is is never going to be enough,
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 right? But but let's go back to 2017 with the New York Times when they first released those videos. Those three
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 videos were unclassified and those were the least the least, you know, uh, holy cow videos that the Pentagon had and
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 still people were looking at that going, "Wow, I can't believe what I'm seeing, right?" Um, the problem is that, you know, we've been spoiled. We're we're used to now
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 having, you know, the the big dinner and the big big dessert. And so, anything that falls flat of that, uh, is just, you know, not going to resonate with a
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 lot of the diehard folks. And I I appreciate that. But I also I kind of chuckle to myself silently because now
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 it's you know they have so much information that that people can argue about which is the best. Right? Before it was like we'll take anything.
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 [clears throat] We're starving. Hell, I'll take a saltine cracker man.
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 Anything. right now. You give them a faming young duck launch and you know a prime rib and they're like, you know, the prime rib just isn't cooked right
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 and it's too much fat on that and the duck launch doesn't have enough of the marble glazing on it. You're like, come on, man. Are [laughter] you kidding me? That's a good problem to have.
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 It's true. Right. At least you have the big dinner, right?
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 Right. You're getting stuff you never had before and it's going to continue coming out. You have the government admitting that there are tens of millions of these documents. Think about that. They just told you tens of
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 millions. And oh by the way, a lot of these were hard copy papers. So what does that tell you? They go way way back in history, right? There's there's a lot there. And I think just that, you know,
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 maybe some folks, you know, have their expectations maybe a little bit too high, but you know, more stuff is coming. I I've always keep telling people, man, have patience, man. We got
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 we got this. You know, we we know what we're doing. Let let let us continue working with the people back in in in Washington. Let's let's continue
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 to let them feel that this is going to be okay. they're not going to be in trouble. You know, the people have a desire to know the truth. So,
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 yeah. Exactly. And I know, like you said, I know you've been vocal over the past week or so that more is coming and uh people will be pretty intrigued by by
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 what they're going to see. Um so, with that said, I know you're going to talk about a lot of these things more when you go on tour as well. So, on
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 [laughter] our way out here, um tell us about the tour. Uh when can we see it?
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 What are you going to be doing? All Let me let me just give you a little be say, "Oh, who's grifting?" I'm like, "No, you're right." Okay, first of all, do you know what
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 grifting means? Because if you knew I was if you thought I was griing, once you hear this, you're going to realize I'm not griing. I've never gried. Okay, so I'm if I'm a grifter, I'm the worst
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 grifter in the world because I make no money doing this. So, people say, "Well, they're charging for a ticket price." Yes, because I have to rent the venue. Yes, because I have to pay insurance.
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 And yes, I have to fly myself out there and I have to take off work that I normally do to do that. But we're also going to be having videos there and we're going to be providing these videos
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 of each one of these on YouTube for what? For free. So, you know, it's it people people just don't understand. I
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 got a lot of haters out there and they jump to these conclusions thinking they know what Lu Alisando is about. They have no clue. The bottom line is I'm going to be giving all this information
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 for free on YouTube. But it's important with having an audience there. And here's why. We are at a point now where we're the guests I have are directly the
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 people that are helping make decisions like like who? Eric Berles, for example, he's going to be one of my guests. This is the guy who has a lot of stuff that you're seeing on the news right now.
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 This man was directly responsible for.
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 What better way than you, the audience, to get to ask Eric Burlson, any question you want? Yeah. Right.
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 You know, by the way, I got to fly him out there, too, right? And I got to fly all these guests out there. And people are like, "Ah, you're grifting, Lou." Really? At the end of each thing, I probably am in the negative. I'm probably losing even more money.
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 But I'm doing it because I think it's important. It's a great way for people to go out and have a conversation, not with Lou Alando anymore, with some of my guests. Some of these guests are
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 amazing. I mean I mean really really I'm working like I'm going to have Mike Gold. Think about that. Who is that? He was the one who testified with me. All
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 those pictures you see from NASA from the surface of the moon. Guess what? He had a lot of them and he had them a long time before you ever got to see him. So here's your chance to talk to a to a a
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 senior guy who is part of the Aremis mission that just went to the moon, right? Here's your chance to talk to him and ask any questions you want.
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 It's like these people say, "Well, well, if I was there, I would ask this question." You know what? Here's your chance. Go ahead and do it.
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 And so, this is this is what we're doing. I've got Jeremy Corbell that's going to be a guest of mine uh because he just did this new movie and a lot of
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 people are very familiar with the Bob Lazar story. Well, you know what? Come out and he's going to tell you everything he knows and and you can you can ask him any question you want. No
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 holes barred. How is that? Right. So, these are the type of things we're we're doing. I've got some great people uh that are going to come out. I got Eric
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 von Renmp who is uh one of the uh journalists for The Hill publication who has done tremendous work
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 investigative journalism, you know, and if anybody out there thinks about being a journalist in the future, come on out, ask him. Ask him what it's like to be a journalist for for the Hill for a
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 political publication like that. and and and what's your opinion of Congress and and what are some of the trials and tribulations and challenges of of of
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 taking on a topic like this and reporting a topic like this? Right. By the way, a lot of people know Eric worked for the US government. Merrick worked for the US government before he was ever a journalist. Right.
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 That's right. That's right. He's pretty senior dude.
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 So, you know, I'm working very hard to get some really, really great speakers to come up there and really engage the public in a way that the public's not
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 used to having this access to. You know, I used to say, "Go write your member of Congress, you know, if you want this or you want that." And go, "Well, all right." So, that didn't work too well.
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 So, now what's my next option? Okay, let me bring Congress to you. Okay, you're not going to get on a plane and go to Washington DC. You know what? I'll bring them to Dallas, Texas. So, you can be there and ask any questions you want.
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 So, that's that's kind of what I'm doing here. And uh we'll be putting that available later uh on YouTube. The only problem about
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 that on YouTube is you're not going to be able to ask a question live, right?
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 you're going to be watching other people ask their questions and you're not going to be able to ask your question. So, if you want to ask your question, come out there uh and um and and ask your
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 question. And by the way, we're going to try to get to every single person. And there's no scripts. There's nothing off the off the table. You can ask whatever the hell it is you want to ask.
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 That's fantastic. I think it's a great idea. Um where can [clears throat] people see kind of like the dates, uh locations, where you So, you can get on my God, I feel so
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 cheesy saying this my web page. I don't know.
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 Luis Alazando-official.com and all the days I had to I had to uh reschedule some of them on the East
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 Coast because of my my my accident that I had motorcycle accident. I am still suffering from the TBI 32 uh some odd
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 cranial and facial fractures and that attached retina and some minor facial paralysis. So the doctors told me, "Look, you can't you can't fly in a
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 plane and you can't be in a car for longer than a couple hours." Well, every one of these locations on the east coast were, you know, either 10 hours by car
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 or I had to get on an airplane. So, the doctor said, "No way." So, I had to I had to beg them just to let me do this leg, you know, the the West Coast and
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 then we'll get back to the East Coast, probably here sometime in the summer.
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 Okay, great. Yeah. If Well, if you have any Florida dates coming up, I'll I'd be happy to come out there, let me know. That'd be really cool to come out soon. Stephen, it'd be my honor and privilege.
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 Would love to have you out there.
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 Fantastic. I love it. And I love that we were able to talk here, Lou. uh thank you for all the time and you're always very generous with your time and and
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 your cander as well. I think that's one thing if I could just real quick um one thing that bothers me and I try to stay as objective as possible whenever I talk
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 to to anyone but one thing that bothers me when people um come down on you on social media is you've never spoken to
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 the person. You know, I've had the opportunity to speak with you now a few times um and and
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 They don't understand. Unless you speak to the person, you unless you look in their eyes and you get to speak to somebody and see where they're coming from, all these prejudgments and accusations are really just so unfair.
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 And so what I would say to somebody when they're coming down on you or or anybody on social media, um just withhold your
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 withhold your judgment. Try to talk to people. Try to find things out. you know, for people to say that you are intentionally doing X, Y, or Z, you're
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 one of the most candid guests I've had on on UAP, one of the most candid people I've spoken to on this subject. And so,
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 for anybody to come out there and and to trash you in some way, my opinion, honestly speaking, is completely unfair.
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 I I I don't see it. And I'm going to come out here and say this publicly.
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 anybody who comes out against you and says all these things, I personally don't see it. I don't know where you're coming coming from with it. And so I just I just wanted to put it out there.
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 I never do that with anybody because I really appreciate that. But you know what? It's it's part of the human condition. We have been doing this as a
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 society, as a species long before social media. Um it is there is something innate in our
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 in our our character that for some reason um you know we we a we love the gossip.
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 Don't know why. And uh we we love seeing drama. Uh and if you look at a lot of reality shows today, it's really nothing
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 but manufactured drama. And for some reason, people tend to live vicariously through that. Um, you're absolutely
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 right, but it it's not an issue. It's not a social media issue. It's a human issue. What we're dealing with are are people that for whatever reason
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 either feel very insecure with themselves or for whatever reason um have some sort of of of issue. And by the way, the truth is the the truth is
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 that that also holds true on those that are quote unquote super fans, right?
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 People that say, you know, I love you to death. Um, I appreciate that. I'd much rather you you love me to death than, you know, hate me to death. Um, but at
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 the end of the day, you know, unless you had a chance to meet someone and and break bread with them and talk to them right now, at the end of the day, if you
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 you had lunch with me and say, "I think that Lou is a jerk." Hey, man, God bless you. I got it. That's fine. You know, at least you gave me a shot and didn't work
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 out. But to not ever meet me and and to make all these weird, you know, assumptions. Well, I never trust that
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 guy. I never liked his beard and, you know, now I really hate him.
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 Okay. I mean, nothing I can do about that. Yeah.
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 And uh you know, I do I do I do pray for them.
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 And I know this sounds kind of weird and kind of cheesy, but the reality, a lot of people don't know this. I'm I'm I'm very much a praying man. Uh and I uh I pray every night. I get down on my hands
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 and knees and I and I pray. Uh and I'm not ashamed of it. I'm not ashamed to say it. And and sometimes I pray for those that are that are hurt the most
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 and wounded the most. Those those who attack me and throw stones. And you Let me make this clear. I'm no Jesus figure, right? Because, you know, I'll
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 in combat, I'll pick up a machine gun just like anybody else and do what I have to do. But but for those who are truly wounded, right, and people who who don't know me and you can tell that
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 they're aching in their heart, I I do pray for them. I I hope they find their peace. And I'll tell you something else, Stephen. I'm glad you brought this up because,
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 you know, one of the greatest moments I've had in the last nine years had nothing to do with UFOs. There was an individual, I'm not going to mention his name, but I I hope he's listening to
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 this podcast because he touched my heart. Uh he was a veteran and we had a pretty decent friendship. Um he he saw
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 me on the news and reached out and said, "Hey, you know, we may have even worked together in Afghanistan, XYZ." Long story short, um he kind of got into
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 a crowd of um people on social media that that weren't very nice and and they manipulated him and he wound up saying some very unkind things about me.
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 But you know what happened? He came back a year later and he said, "Lou, you know what? I'm sorry and thank you for never
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 holding it against me." And I told him, "I will never hold it against you. I understand. You are entitled to your opinion. you know, we were brothers back
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 then, we'll be brothers again. And I I totally understand what you went through. And believe it now, now we're actually pretty decent friends. Like
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 he'll shoot me a text and I'll shoot him a text over signal and he's he's he's not a bad guy. And and you know, sometimes we have to have we have to
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 show grace because I know look I' I've made bunch of mistakes and fortunately people have showed grace to me in the
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 past and that's all we can do as human beings is show each other grace. Right?
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 He's not perfect. I'm certainly not perfect.
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 You're not perfect, right? We're all human. Yeah.
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 And and and we're going to make mistakes. And you know what? We're going to hurt each other.
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 But the point here is not to do it on purpose. And to if you hurt somebody, try to try to make up for it somehow, you know, by by by acknowledging that
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 and say, "Well, if I hurt this person, I'm going to make sure I don't make that mistake and hurt this other person in the same way." That that's that's all we can really do, you know. And uh yes,
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 there are people out there that are waiting in the shadows, waiting for me to fall, waiting for me to make one little mistake that they can go ahead and now capitalize on and get clicks and
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 likes and you know that's the human condition, brother. That's not social media. That just social media just exacerbates it. It gives them a louder
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 megaphone to talk through. Um but you know, the same holds true to me. You know, I can't I mean I've got a megaphone that that I talk through,
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 right? And a lot of people don't like the fact that I do that. So, you know, you can't have it you can't have it both ways. You know, if I want to use the the
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 the megaphone, then everybody should have that right to use the same megaphone that I use.
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 Yeah. No, well said. And I I I'm glad we got to end on that note. Um and hopefully anybody who's in the area can go out and see the show, participate,
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 ask the questions. I really I love the concept. And uh hopefully if you guys make it down to to Florida, then I can uh come be a part of that. I think that'd be really cool.
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 Steve, it's going to be a hell of a ride, man. It's going to be a great engagement. I I think the the audience is going to be thrilled because you're going to be able to ask questions live
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 that you'd never get a chance to ask that person in your entire life and now here they are. And you know, here's here here's the microphone.
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 Yeah. Really cool. And again, uh hope everybody at the Pentagon enjoyed the show. Thank you for tuning in. Um Lado,
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 [laughter]
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 thanks so much for coming on here and spending all the time. Uh I know we went over as usually how it goes um what you could do. So thanks for spending a few extra days.
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 It is Stephen. It's my honor and privilege. Thank you so much and thanks to to your family and everybody else and a huge thank you to your audience. Uh and yes, even if you have some haters
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 out there, you know, thank you anyways for taking the time and and letting me give my two cents. Absolutely. And let's stay in touch. We'll talk again soon.
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 You got it, my friend. Thanks, Lou. Take care.