0:00 0 seconds Well, happy to welcome him back here to UAP. It's Representative Eric Burlson. 0:06 6 seconds Uh Eric, thanks so much for coming back on here to UAP. I I know there's a lot to cover, so I appreciate you coming back on. 0:11 11 seconds Yeah, you do a good job, Stephen. Thank you. 0:13 13 seconds I apprec Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you. Um, and well, I I guess I'll just jump right in and talk about someone that's I know you just were with uh 0:23 23 seconds recently in Mexico and someone that I just had on the show, uh, Michael Maza, who is a filmmaker, director, writer, producer, and I know you guys run across 0:31 31 seconds each other in Mexico recently as you met up with Dr. Steven Greer and Jaime Mousan to kind of see for yourself the 0:40 40 seconds uh couple of controversial items, the Nazca mummies and the Boogas sphere which comes from Colombia. So on that 0:49 49 seconds end um that fascinated me when I saw those videos come out from Michael. I was like, "Holy cow, Eric is in Mexico looking at these things." I've been 0:56 56 seconds wanting to ask you, what was your impression when you got in front of the NASCA mummies and the sphere? if you can talk on both a little bit uh separately. 1:05 1 minute, 5 seconds Yeah. So, I would say leading up to that it was kind of a debate as to whether or 1:11 1 minute, 11 seconds not it would be a worthwhile trip. The um you know, and I I kind of gauged a lot of input from different individuals 1:19 1 minute, 19 seconds now. Um I I as you know, I have Grush as a consultant on my team. He was he really didn't the the spear was kind of 1:28 1 minute, 28 seconds a puzzle to him. He thought it was probably I I won't I won't put words in his mouth, but he didn't have much to 1:35 1 minute, 35 seconds say about the sphere, but and probably thought it wasn't worthwhile going down to see that. Um, what he did say is that 1:43 1 minute, 43 seconds if the mummies were the tridactyls that were the larger ones that it would be 1:49 1 minute, 49 seconds worth seeing. Um, now I'll say that in general he um he cautioned me about some of the people going down in their credibility. 1:59 1 minute, 59 seconds and and so I understand that. But at the end of the day, um I was at a situation where I had the opportunity to 2:08 2 minutes, 8 seconds to go because uh Michael had reached out to me. I I'd learned that there was a team of scientists that that contract 2:16 2 minutes, 16 seconds with NASA that were also going to be there and and one individual that was that is a former employee of NASA that 2:24 2 minutes, 24 seconds was going to be down there. And that gave a little bit of credibility to me and um and I wanted to I wanted to see 2:31 2 minutes, 31 seconds that in action to see the samples being taken. Uh and so that's why I went. I mean that and along with the fact that 2:38 2 minutes, 38 seconds we were out of session. We were we weren't I had I had a day and a half or so in my schedule to make it work. And 2:46 2 minutes, 46 seconds so it just seemed the stars aligned and and that's why I went. 2:50 2 minutes, 50 seconds So once you were done with it, what were you thinking to yourself? Did you feel like, okay, I'm glad I went, that was worth the trip, or was the thought, uh, 2:59 2 minutes, 59 seconds I don't know if that was something I, you know, maybe should have spent time on? 3:02 3 minutes, 2 seconds I would say spending time with, um, Haime Man, his team, spending time, you know, with the people that were there, 3:11 3 minutes, 11 seconds um, was was worthwhile. The, um, I would say I'm I'm very skeptical that the 3:18 3 minutes, 18 seconds Booga sphere is is real. I'm very skeptical that those that the mummies that we saw are are real, but I'm also 3:26 3 minutes, 26 seconds open to to wait until I hear back from the scientists who took the samples. 3:32 3 minutes, 32 seconds They took samples from the mummies, from bones from the mummies, and then they took samples from from the sphere in multiple places. So, we'll we'll see. 3:43 3 minutes, 43 seconds Now, at first glance, they both look handmade. They both do not look um they they don't I I there's nothing about 3:50 3 minutes, 50 seconds that that that makes me think this was this had to have been made by a superior 3:57 3 minutes, 57 seconds um advanced civilization. It it it looks definitely handmade in in those aspects. 4:03 4 minutes, 3 seconds So when I in reference to the sphere as far as the mummies, they did they just didn't look anatomically like they like 4:12 4 minutes, 12 seconds those things could have possibly been a living creature. And so because of that, I I'm I'm, you know, I'm highly 4:19 4 minutes, 19 seconds suspicious, but I'm waiting until we get some results from the scientists. 4:24 4 minutes, 24 seconds Yeah, that's really interesting. Um, you mentioned Grush, you know, how you kind of consulted with him on those two things. It doesn't sound, again, not to put words in his mouth, but just reading 4:32 4 minutes, 32 seconds situation, it doesn't sound like he's too convinced about the sphere. maybe on the same age as you when it comes to the possibilities of the sphere, but was he 4:41 4 minutes, 41 seconds a little bit more intrigued by the Nazca mummies themselves where he thinks that that's a possibility of those things 4:48 4 minutes, 48 seconds actually, you know, representing a a mummified nonhuman. 4:53 4 minutes, 53 seconds the the now what he indicated is that there's a different set of mummies that are I believe in Peru that he said um are very intriguing. 5:05 5 minutes, 5 seconds Right. Okay. Yeah, I know which ones you're talking about. I think the smaller ones, right? No, the larger ones. 5:11 5 minutes, 11 seconds Oh, the larger ones. Okay, gotcha. Um interesting. Well, appreciate your perspective on those for sure. What was the experience like? I'm I'm curious. 5:19 5 minutes, 19 seconds I'm not trying to get you in trouble here. Um, but what was the experience like meeting with Dr. Greer? Because there's so much that is said about him 5:28 5 minutes, 28 seconds and this goes for a few people. I'm not just trying to sing aloud Dr. Greer, but he is one of those people where there's so much said about him. Super positive, 5:35 5 minutes, 35 seconds super negative, some in the middle. Was that the first time you met? You had kind of like a meeting with him. And what what was your impressions of him? 5:42 5 minutes, 42 seconds I've had a meeting with him in my office before before that. Um, I I find him to be intense. I find him to be um earnest. 5:52 5 minutes, 52 seconds I find him to be um you know he very passionate and and throws you know a great deal of his time, money and energy 6:00 6 minutes towards this topic. And so the reason why someone you have to ask the question why is someone who is um not from the 6:07 6 minutes, 7 seconds Pentagon who is not connected to int the intelligence community how how does someone like Kim end up in the situation 6:15 6 minutes, 15 seconds that he is where he is he's he's one of the key individuals when it comes to this topic it's because because of he's 6:22 6 minutes, 22 seconds extremely intelligent and he's very driven on this topic and so that that combination is um it's it's It's impressive. 6:34 6 minutes, 34 seconds Now, you recently made some news and that was one of the things you made news on. Um, another part was what you had to say recently in a Twitter space, I 6:42 6 minutes, 42 seconds believe, actually, where where it came across um about David Grush and what he has told you as far as what President Trump 6:50 6 minutes, 50 seconds has been briefed on in the past. Now I know there was some distinction here that uh you know you were trying to impart on everybody that Grush is not 6:58 6 minutes, 58 seconds the one that briefed Trump but he was told about what Trump was briefed and it had to do with the different beings that have been around. Is that right? 7:08 7 minutes, 8 seconds Right. And I don't I would I would say definitively Grush did not was not the one that briefed Trump. Um and I and I'm 7:17 7 minutes, 17 seconds I don't know if I recall that Grush was the one that told me. I've talked to so many people but I have been told what I can say is I 7:25 7 minutes, 25 seconds have been told um about a briefing in that that grow that Trump in his first administration was briefed towards the 7:34 7 minutes, 34 seconds end of his first administration. What I was told is that he was briefed about um 7:41 7 minutes, 41 seconds several things like the entire program, but what was what was an interesting part of the conversation was that when he was told that there are there are 7:51 7 minutes, 51 seconds hybrids, some of them may be living in the United States, he jokingly said asked, "Is um Adam Schiff one of them?" 8:00 8 minutes It's that sounds like a Trumpism. I mean, I'm not I'm not going to lie. That sounds like something that would have happened in a briefing. 8:07 8 minutes, 7 seconds And so, yeah, I don't know to um you know, how I I don't I I wasn't there. I don't have definitive um evidence as 8:17 8 minutes, 17 seconds that that briefing happened. I'm just telling I'm just relaying to you what I have heard. 8:22 8 minutes, 22 seconds It is interesting though to kind of put the puzzle pieces together, which I I just tend to do. Sometimes it leads me nowhere. Sometimes maybe it's something. 8:31 8 minutes, 31 seconds But when I think about you talked about at the end of his first term and then I think about an a interview he did with Joe Rogan leading up to him winning his 8:39 8 minutes, 39 seconds second term and he was kind of talking he was answering the question from Joe Rogan about you know yeah I kind of do know um what's going on or I have been 8:48 8 minutes, 48 seconds told different things and he seemed a little bit somber about it. So I wonder can we connect those dots or do you think if maybe I'm I'm trying to connect too many dots there. 9:03 9 minutes, 3 seconds Can we take a pause? Yeah, of course. 9:05 9 minutes, 5 seconds Okay, let me take a pause. Let my daughters do their thing. Yeah, no problem. 9:22 9 minutes, 22 seconds Okay. They unexpectedly came home. So, all good, man. You have you have three kids? 9:28 9 minutes, 28 seconds I have I have two daughters, so she's got some friends over. 9:31 9 minutes, 31 seconds Oh, very nice. Very cool. I have uh a 10-year-old son and an eight-year-old daughter, so Okay. That's how things go sometimes. All good. 9:39 9 minutes, 39 seconds Do you want to go back to what we were asking? 9:41 9 minutes, 41 seconds Yeah, I'll just pick up where we left off. Um, so I I wonder, Eric, do you think I'm trying to connect too many dots? And and this is just me observing 9:49 9 minutes, 49 seconds things, and I might be way out of line here, but I just think back to when Trump had an interview with Joe Rogan right before he won his second term. And 9:57 9 minutes, 57 seconds Rogan was asking him about, you know, what do you know about the aliens? Have you been told? And Trump kind of, you know, shoulders were slumped and a little bit, body language wise anyway, 10:06 10 minutes, 6 seconds seemed a little bit somber in answering, yeah, I've been told some different things. Do you think that had anything to do with what we're being told here about what he was briefed on in his first term? 10:14 10 minutes, 14 seconds It could be. It could be. I mean, if that's true, then certainly his response um he's he's processing how much he can say and what he wants to say. 10:24 10 minutes, 24 seconds What do you think about that possibility yourself, Eric, about the possibility of hybrids? Because, you know, this has been brought up a lot, I'm sure. Has has 10:32 10 minutes, 32 seconds Grush spoken to you about this in the past about specifically his take or his knowledge on hybrids? 10:38 10 minutes, 38 seconds Um what I what I can say is like this this phenomenon is a repeating phenomenon when it comes to this topic 10:47 10 minutes, 47 seconds there that whether it's um um some form of genetic insertion into 10:55 10 minutes, 55 seconds humanity or there are um or or hybrids that are occurring. It's it seems to be 11:03 11 minutes, 3 seconds a common topic and and then often it commonly is connected to discussions about the Nephilim in the 11:11 11 minutes, 11 seconds Bible and these hybrid um beings that were created whenever the angels came down and you know um procreated with 11:21 11 minutes, 21 seconds with human women. So I look it it just is an ongoing conversation. Um it's it's 11:28 11 minutes, 28 seconds intriguing. Uh I I can't I can't definitively say that it's true because again I go back to I'm somebody that I I 11:35 11 minutes, 35 seconds want to see it for myself. So I've not seen anything direct I've not seen direct evidence that this is true. 11:43 11 minutes, 43 seconds Interesting. Can you talk about anything else if there is anything else off the top of your head that's happening during that briefing toward the end of Trump's 11:50 11 minutes, 50 seconds first term aside from you know talking about hybrids. Was there anything of note that was uh given in that? 11:57 11 minutes, 57 seconds No, not that I can recall. 11:59 11 minutes, 59 seconds Okay. Now, there was something that came out recently about the tic tac. Um, it's commonly referred to, you know, that's 12:07 12 minutes, 7 seconds uh, you know, David Fraver saw and has been famously shown the video from the USS Nimmits back in 2004 and many people have claimed to see the tic-tac type 12:16 12 minutes, 16 seconds craft um, since then. But now it's being talked about as something that was reverse or possibly reverse engineered 12:24 12 minutes, 24 seconds maybe I'm I'm putting my own words in there from uh Lockheed in their skunk works operation. This actually is a recent claim coming out from Ross Colart 12:32 12 minutes, 32 seconds as well where he's saying this is it like this is something that has been made. It's ours. I know we talked about Dr. Steven Greer. He's said this before. 12:41 12 minutes, 41 seconds The tic tac is ours. And I know you've heard some of those different things as well. Is that where we're at? like can we like what's the percentage on that in 12:49 12 minutes, 49 seconds in your mind Eric that that is the case that the tic tac is US technology? Yeah, I think that it's likely the case. 12:56 12 minutes, 56 seconds I think it's it's more than likely the case. I had received when we first started researching this topic three 13:04 13 minutes, 4 seconds years ago. I'd received a random email from someone that my team brought to my attention who who mentioned that the tic 13:12 13 minutes, 12 seconds tac is is a Loheed Martin skunk works project. They they mentioned the name in the email. They told us the name of the project. They told us where the where 13:21 13 minutes, 21 seconds the project is being conducted. Um there was gener a lot of specifics. We we just 13:28 13 minutes, 28 seconds kind of cataloged that and moved on. But since then, just even this year, I've had an individual come to me that claims 13:36 13 minutes, 36 seconds to have footage, photos from of the tic tac and the different um 13:44 13 minutes, 44 seconds iterations of that tic tac. And so and and claims that, you know, this is it that it's clearly man-made and it's 13:51 13 minutes, 51 seconds likely made by Loheed Martin. So I'm getting consistently it seems that that that is the narrative that um that's that's coming out. 14:03 14 minutes, 3 seconds I mean the the the implications of that the are incredible. I mean when you talk about if that is the case that is 14:09 14 minutes, 9 seconds something that can really be shown to be true. I mean that opens up a whole can of worms Eric. I mean, we're talking about the reality that 14:18 14 minutes, 18 seconds there is this indeed, as many people have speculated and theorized, secret technology that's being developed by, you know, contractors and things like, 14:27 14 minutes, 27 seconds you know, companies like Skunk Works that are being hidden from the general public. I mean, what are the implications in Isn't it obvious that there is 14:35 14 minutes, 35 seconds technology? I mean, it's obvious that that they're going to have technology that they've developed that that is being hidden. That that's part of our 14:43 14 minutes, 43 seconds national secrets and and and our security and our defense. The question is to what what level of technological 14:51 14 minutes, 51 seconds advances have they made? What kind of breakthrough technology have have they have they discovered a breakthrough technology that they are keeping under 15:00 15 minutes lock and key? Um, I I was um when I was trying to leave Reagan a couple of weeks ago and I was trying to go to my friend 15:10 15 minutes, 10 seconds Timothy Alberino's conference at the Nefcon in Montana. And as I sat on the tarmac of Reagan for about three and a 15:18 15 minutes, 18 seconds half hours, not moving, waiting for weather delays to and and just being stuck in this can 15:25 15 minutes, 25 seconds like a sardine, sweating, sweating with along with everything else. It's the worst. 15:31 15 minutes, 31 seconds And then having ultimately pulled back to the gate and having our flight cancelled after ex after going through that 15:37 15 minutes, 37 seconds torture, I kind I thought to myself, if Lockheed or what whomever has this breakthrough technology and they're not 15:46 15 minutes, 46 seconds sharing it with the world, I'm going to be really pissed. 15:51 15 minutes, 51 seconds It's a good point, right? I mean, and that's a real life experience, right? 15:54 15 minutes, 54 seconds Like we've all been there. We've all sat on that tarmac. We've all had the flight delays and you think to yourself, man, I wish I could just teleport somewhere. 16:00 16 minutes And then you have to start to think to yourself, well, maybe we can. And we just haven't been told that we can. And I I mean, that's got to be something 16:09 16 minutes, 9 seconds like what what does that mean in the big picture, right? Because we can all make that leap. We can make that assumption that of course, you know, there is stuff being worked on behind the scenes. You 16:18 16 minutes, 18 seconds know, the SR71 Blackbird was worked on 60 years ago, maybe 70 years ago. Yeah. 16:23 16 minutes, 23 seconds And it was decades before we even knew it existed. So, is is the Tic Tac something like that? And if so, what 16:30 16 minutes, 30 seconds would that mean for technology that this thing that essentially doesn't have any means of visible propulsion could be out there? 16:38 16 minutes, 38 seconds Stephen, don't you want to believe that that's the case? I mean, at the end of the day, I mean, it it would be logical that it's 16:46 16 minutes, 46 seconds how many years did it take before the SR71 was revealed? How many years before the F-17 or the B2, all of these planes? 16:55 16 minutes, 55 seconds I mean, how they all were kept under under, you know, lock and key for quite some time. Only when they had to reveal 17:04 17 minutes, 4 seconds them did they do that. And I look, the the B2 is decades old, right? Yeah. 17:11 17 minutes, 11 seconds And the stealth bomber is decades old. 17:14 17 minutes, 14 seconds So, one can only hope and pray that we have made advancements since then. And 17:21 17 minutes, 21 seconds um my but my question is I hope that eventually those advancements make their way to the private sector. 17:28 17 minutes, 28 seconds Yeah. And on that note and this is something that you know or to commercial use. 17:32 17 minutes, 32 seconds Right. Exactly. Right. Um, and then and that's where it kind of becomes contentious sometimes on Oh, look at social media a lot of things become 17:39 17 minutes, 39 seconds contentious. But when it comes to, you know, what's being kept under wraps, who has who has the responsibility, you 17:46 17 minutes, 46 seconds think, Eric, to say, you know what, enough's enough. We got to get this some of this stuff out to the general public. 17:52 17 minutes, 52 seconds Like, there's so much that we've made in the past, say, 40 years, you know, or if you want to boil it down to 20 years, that's fine, too, that would advance 18:00 18 minutes human civiliz civilization. so much that we got to at least put out maybe 10% of it. Like whose responsibility is that to ultimately make that call? 18:09 18 minutes, 9 seconds Yeah, that's a good question. I I don't know who's that who has that responsibility. A lot of these things are being decided by the White House. 18:18 18 minutes, 18 seconds So, a lot of these special access programs are under the purview directly under the supervision of the White House. Um, and so we'll see. Now, part 18:28 18 minutes, 28 seconds of the I will say and this is kind of breaking news a little bit, but um just as a sidebar discussion, not as part of 18:36 18 minutes, 36 seconds the negotiations, but just being in the room and talking with White House officials, I made a I 18:43 18 minutes, 43 seconds made an a request to for myself and Tim Burchett and Anna and the rest of the UAP caucus to get a tour of Area 51, of 18:54 18 minutes, 54 seconds Wright Patterson, of um and then get a full briefing from the White House on their special access programs related to 19:00 19 minutes UAP. And so, um, one of those has been somewhat green lit and I'm still waiting to hear back from the others. 19:10 19 minutes, 10 seconds Wow. Okay. Yeah, that's that's new. Had have there ever been I'm trying to think of a scenario where there's been congressmen and congresswoman who have 19:18 19 minutes, 18 seconds gotten um tours of those bases before, like inside the halls of Area 51. Has that happened before? 19:28 19 minutes, 28 seconds I I'm not sure. It certainly has not been public that that's happened. I have a feeling. I think if you're on House 19:35 19 minutes, 35 seconds Intel or or House Armed Services or Senate Armed Services or Senate Intel, you probably I would I would be shocked 19:43 19 minutes, 43 seconds if those chairman and chairwomen have not been able to get access. 19:49 19 minutes, 49 seconds But that's my assumption is that at least some members of Congress have had some access. Well, that's great. I mean, good on you for putting in that that 19:57 19 minutes, 57 seconds request. Um, you know, definitely keep us updated on that. If if you can if you do get those, you know, requests met and 20:04 20 minutes, 4 seconds you do get to kind of go in there, maybe you can at least tell us if you got to go, you know, obviously able to say what you saw. what what would you expect to 20:12 20 minutes, 12 seconds see I guess if you were able to go through you know the inner hole the inner sanctums of right pad or 20:20 20 minutes, 20 seconds so for example you know when you Tim Phillips recently the the gentleman who left Arrow he's had a few interviews 20:27 20 minutes, 27 seconds that were kind of intriguing to me and sparked a little bit but I let me back let me start by saying in his 20:34 20 minutes, 34 seconds interviews he said that he went to to a particular site and was able to see the, you know, a particular project in 20:43 20 minutes, 43 seconds development and the in the previous iterations of it and it the way in which he described it would seem like a museum of of um of some experiments and some some advanced technology. 20:56 20 minutes, 56 seconds Uh I want to see that. I I want to see that. that would give me an idea that whenever if that's true, I I certainly 21:04 21 minutes, 4 seconds want to be able to understand when people make sightings and see things to know to be able to have an entire category of things that I can, you know, 21:12 21 minutes, 12 seconds reference to and dismiss. Um, at least that kind of may close off one of the one one path. Um, one of the things that 21:21 21 minutes, 21 seconds he said that was concerning to me is that he was willing or he had requested 21:27 21 minutes, 27 seconds and that the that the the individual that was responsible for the special access programs related to UAPs 21:37 21 minutes, 37 seconds was willing to give a briefing to the UAP caucus and that that at that which we did have a scheduled briefing and we did have a briefing with Arrow but at 21:46 21 minutes, 46 seconds that briefing it was extremely disappointing because we didn't really get much information. 21:51 21 minutes, 51 seconds Um, and but what we what he said in his interviews is with with what is Green 21:59 21 minutes, 59 seconds Steve Green Street or Greenblat, whatever his name is. Yeah. 22:02 22 minutes, 2 seconds Him and and another um another individual, he Tim Phillips said that he had what that that briefing was blocked by by House leadership. 22:16 22 minutes, 16 seconds So, we reached I reached out to the speaker, Anna Pina, Luna and I and Tim Burchett directly confronted the speaker 22:23 22 minutes, 23 seconds about this or asked him about this on the on the floor. Um, and he had no idea what we were talking about. 22:30 22 minutes, 30 seconds Wow. He texted me later that he had his team look into it and and it and it appears this is not from the speaker, 22:38 22 minutes, 38 seconds but he his com what he said to me was vague enough to to indicate that it appears that we were blocked by one of 22:46 22 minutes, 46 seconds the chairman of either Intel or House Armed Services and and so I'm going to pursue that 22:53 22 minutes, 53 seconds briefing to be done because now we have a new chairman of House Intel. the previous chairman was was somewhat 23:01 23 minutes, 1 second hostile to disclosure on this topic and so hopefully we're able to get a different answer from this new chairman. 23:09 23 minutes, 9 seconds Wow, that's that's really big. And you know, I was actually going to ask you about that. And so on that note, I mean, 23:16 23 minutes, 16 seconds how has the stonewalling, what kind of stonewalling have you experienced from your colleagues? You know, and and I mean no 23:24 23 minutes, 24 seconds offense if I say the wrong name, but someone like James Comr has come up. 23:28 23 minutes, 28 seconds Have you experienced something like that with James Comr in the past? 23:31 23 minutes, 31 seconds You know, Jamie Comr has been extremely helpful. He's not I mean he his attitude is he will try to get whatever Anna you 23:40 23 minutes, 40 seconds know is asking for. Um he doesn't seem he's he he's he's been extremely helpful. I think that where we've seen 23:50 23 minutes, 50 seconds things blocked is kind of in the dark um inner workings of government bureaucracy. And so what we I think what 23:59 23 minutes, 59 seconds we have to continue to do is to pin down where the pinch point is and put pressure on that until we can get until we can move the ball forward. 24:09 24 minutes, 9 seconds That's super interesting, Eric, and especially to hear the um perspective of Speaker Johnson, Mike Johnson, where 24:16 24 minutes, 16 seconds he's like, I don't know, but I'll help you look into it. I find that really interesting because he's someone also and it sounds like maybe these guys have 24:24 24 minutes, 24 seconds gotten a bad rap with Mike Johnson and James Comr uh respectively that they have been stonewalling the process but it sounds like from you that that's not 24:32 24 minutes, 32 seconds the case at all that it's actually been some other people and they're actually trying to help you advance to find out who those people are. 24:38 24 minutes, 38 seconds Yeah. Now, they I that's what I've been told. I that's where I'm I think is the logical place is that we were blocked by 24:46 24 minutes, 46 seconds one of the chairman of either House Armed Services or Intel. That being said, everybody's politicians and you don't know that you can trust anybody really. 24:56 24 minutes, 56 seconds I was going to ask you that again. I didn't want to offend anything, but I mean, do you find it hard to trust some of your colleagues? I know that's that 25:04 25 minutes, 4 seconds might be an inappropriate question, but I got to ask it anyway. Yeah. And I and I think that at the end of the day also don't ever underestimate 25:12 25 minutes, 12 seconds um the a couple of things. 25:18 25 minutes, 18 seconds Ignorance and don't ever underestimate um willingness or effort, lack of effort 25:26 25 minutes, 26 seconds when it comes to to your government and to politicians, right? So a lot of a lot of the things where people where we let people down is 25:34 25 minutes, 34 seconds is really due to a lack of willingness or effort. 25:38 25 minutes, 38 seconds Unfortunately, where do what do you think that the the crux of the stonewalling is, Eric, is it's and this is just my assumption that I'm going to throw out there as part of 25:47 25 minutes, 47 seconds the question. So you can take it whichever way you want and say yes or no. But the way I've always seen this is that it really just comes down to power 25:55 25 minutes, 55 seconds and money when it when we're talking about politics mixed with government contractors. What I mean by that is different representatives who might be 26:04 26 minutes, 4 seconds in the same district as a right pat or as an area 51 and they might have, you know, sweetheart deals with some of these contractors to say, "Hey, you know what? Let's keep this under wraps. 26:15 26 minutes, 15 seconds You're in our district. We want to make sure that these things don't get out. Am I off base by saying that as to why some of this stuff is stonewalled or am I on to something? 26:23 26 minutes, 23 seconds Yeah, I mean just it's logic and common sense that that politicians like to like 26:31 26 minutes, 31 seconds to to do u like to work alongside lobbyists in K Street and special interests. Um 26:41 26 minutes, 41 seconds politicians also like to trade in in intelligence. I mean, ironically, the the intelligence committee is one is a 26:50 26 minutes, 50 seconds committee that you don't raise hardly any money being on that committee, but yet people want to be on that committee because because information is power. 26:58 26 minutes, 58 seconds And so, um, and I think that to that extent, if everyone has that information, then then it's not 27:05 27 minutes, 5 seconds powerful. So, I think that I think some people who were in Intel, particularly the previous Intel chairman, probably 27:13 27 minutes, 13 seconds didn't want anybody to know because because um that that reduces the power of those who do have the knowledge of it. 27:23 27 minutes, 23 seconds Do you think we're at a point where President Trump is kind of caught in the middle or do you think he has his mind? 27:30 27 minutes, 30 seconds I know it's hard to say because everybody's going all different ways and or do you think there's he's kind of set in one way and the reason I ask that is 27:38 27 minutes, 38 seconds because he has said on a couple of occasions and it's made its you know made its uh way around social media the clips have been taken where he says we 27:47 27 minutes, 47 seconds have things we have weapons that no one could even imagine and we'll use them if we have to. Do you think he's being boisterous or do you think he's 27:55 27 minutes, 55 seconds referring to things like the technology that's used in the tic tac and who knows what else? 28:01 28 minutes, 1 second Yeah, I do think we probably have advanced weapons. Um I do think where we where we have a shortfall is the ability 28:10 28 minutes, 10 seconds to manufacture um things at scale. I mean the the real security vulnerability in the United States is that is that we have a 28:19 28 minutes, 19 seconds situation where our manufacturing base has moved out of the country and we are relying on other countries to manufacture some of the things that we 28:27 28 minutes, 27 seconds need. And so it's been said that if we go if we were to have to go to war with with China, we would run out of things 28:35 28 minutes, 35 seconds to throw at China after a couple of months and China would manufacture themselves into a victory. So we've got 28:42 28 minutes, 42 seconds to reverse that. And so which is why as the chairman of energy economic growth and regulatory reform, those are the 28:50 28 minutes, 50 seconds things that I'm focused on is trying to trying to bolster our manufacturing sector, get us back to a place of 28:58 28 minutes, 58 seconds dominance in in the economy and making sure that whatever techn technological advances that we've made, we've we're able to manufacture that at scale. 29:08 29 minutes, 8 seconds Yeah. At scale. Right. And that's really important. And uh good on you for for doing that. Um, with that in mind, is 29:15 29 minutes, 15 seconds it, you know, when we talk about some of this technology that's out there, I have to ask because David Gush has alluded to 29:24 29 minutes, 24 seconds this before, are you at a point where you feel like the technology that is out there with Tic Tac or otherwise has been 29:32 29 minutes, 32 seconds made by just really really smart people like, you know, Oppenheimer Trinity test type thing or is it a mix of that plus 29:40 29 minutes, 40 seconds reverse engineering from, you know, advanced technology? ology that's been recovered from others. 29:46 29 minutes, 46 seconds Yeah. I mean, I'll leave the door open about the reverse engineering whether that's been occurring, but I think that the most likely scenario is that it's 29:53 29 minutes, 53 seconds just the progression of our technology that's being that's been advanced over time. 29:59 29 minutes, 59 seconds Do you think that's most of what people see, Eric? Just, you know, theorizing is that's most of what people see where they can't explain it and they say, "Wow, I saw a UFO. It was moving at 30:07 30 minutes, 7 seconds unbelievable speed, instantaneous acceleration, or it was hovering and then it just took off. Like, do you think it's mostly human technology and some alien stuff mixed in? 30:19 30 minutes, 19 seconds Yeah. Even when you talk to when you saw the interviews for example Jacob Barber when I when I talk with Grush when I talk with other people who study this 30:27 30 minutes, 27 seconds the UFO technology or phenomenon they will consistently say that the vast vast vast majority of things in including 30:35 30 minutes, 35 seconds Arrow when they when they kind of run to ground the thousands of reports that they've had the thousands of things that they've investigated when they run them 30:43 30 minutes, 43 seconds to ground it's mostly somewhat man it's it's it's man-made things or phenomenon 30:50 30 minutes, 50 seconds that that are mistaken as a UFO. Um so I I think that that's the case. Now what 30:58 30 minutes, 58 seconds now what Grush what Barber what um what others would say and in including Lou is 31:05 31 minutes, 5 seconds that that there are there are those rare moments when something um extraterrestrial or non-human 31:13 31 minutes, 13 seconds intelligence um is encountered and that that that does exist. So they a lot of them obviously Lou has come out with a book about it about the reverse engineering. 31:24 31 minutes, 24 seconds Um Grush has said has said the same thing. So I just have yet to be able to get any 31:32 31 minutes, 32 seconds any of the evidence or documents or proof that they were that they had in their possession in their official capacity. 31:40 31 minutes, 40 seconds That's it's fascinating. Um, I look forward to you getting that proof because man, when when some of that stuff comes out definitively. It's it's a game changer. I think we could 31:48 31 minutes, 48 seconds probably agree on that. Um, you talked about uh Tim Phillips earlier. We when you speak about Arrow, another name that 31:55 31 minutes, 55 seconds comes up is Sean Kirkpatre. And I think you were quoted earlier and maybe a few weeks ago as talking about Sean 32:03 32 minutes, 3 seconds Kirkpatrick saying in relation to the Wall Street Journal article which has been, you know, highly documented at this point. And I think everybody kind of knows what was that what that was all 32:12 32 minutes, 12 seconds about kind of saying that everything was a scop um and that you know there is no aliens and it's all just government technology and you you had said or kind 32:21 32 minutes, 21 seconds of alluded to the fact that well if that is the case then is the air force kind of compromised when it comes to the the 32:29 32 minutes, 29 seconds legalities of things that they weren't disclosing some things and that they have been using you know taxpayer money 32:38 32 minutes, 38 seconds without kind of disclosing ing some of these things to Congress. Is that is that something that is do you think is going to be looked into on on your end? 32:46 32 minutes, 46 seconds On my end, yeah, I'm I'm going to definitely try to look into seeing is if if there's been violations of law. Look, 32:53 32 minutes, 53 seconds even if it's if it isn't against the law, it should be against the law to create a misinformation campaign um to 33:01 33 minutes, 1 second cause the American people to go down a wild goose chase and spend all kinds of time, money, and energy to have members of Congress investigate something um 33:10 33 minutes, 10 seconds because because you not because it's naturally happened, but because you stoke the f the flames. Um, I think that 33:18 33 minutes, 18 seconds that that there certainly should be some level of um um I think we need to 33:24 33 minutes, 24 seconds investigate that and and determine if if a law has been broken and if not maybe we need to make a law. 33:33 33 minutes, 33 seconds Really interesting. Um, when it comes to someone like a Sean Kirkpatrick, what kind of dealings did you have with him 33:40 33 minutes, 40 seconds before? Did you did you ever get to sit down with him in this capacity there with Arrow? Yeah, a couple times. Um, had 33:47 33 minutes, 47 seconds meetings with him. I thought that he he was um I think that he seemed defeated. 33:54 33 minutes, 54 seconds Um, him and the AROW team at that point seemed defeated in their in their investigation. Um, and they had come to the resolution. 34:03 34 minutes, 3 seconds I mean, if you can imagine, you you investigate hundreds and then thousands of cases and each and every time it 34:11 34 minutes, 11 seconds turns out that it's something man-made or some that some phenomenon has been mistaken as a UAP, at some point you're 34:19 34 minutes, 19 seconds going to get blackpilled. You're going to start thinking, well, this is pointless. This isn't this isn't true. 34:24 34 minutes, 24 seconds And I felt like um that they had reached that point. Now, I will say this to their to their credit. We we in the UFO 34:34 34 minutes, 34 seconds community have to ask ourselves, what is our moment? What and I think that my question to your you and your listeners 34:42 34 minutes, 42 seconds is what what would it take if this is not a true phenomenon? If it's not extraterrestrial, this is this is this 34:50 34 minutes, 50 seconds was a hoax. What would it take for where when you kind of throw the ball in or throw the towel in and say, "Yeah, it's 34:59 34 minutes, 59 seconds probably not real because otherwise we will be in this chase for eternity, right? Chasing what something that may 35:08 35 minutes, 8 seconds or may not exist if you until you I mean you have to know a 100% of everything to determine whether it's it's real, right? 35:17 35 minutes, 17 seconds If it's somewhere out there. In other words, if you're looking for the needle and hay stack, you got to turn you got 35:23 35 minutes, 23 seconds to look at every every strand of hay and but are are you are you at that place 35:30 35 minutes, 30 seconds where you you know ask yourself what percentage of the strands of hay are you you know do you find acceptable to look 35:37 35 minutes, 37 seconds at or do you want to look at 100% of them? I and so I think that to that point I think Kurpatre and the Arrow 35:46 35 minutes, 46 seconds team at that point in time had had come to the conclusion because they looked at so many things and had 35:54 35 minutes, 54 seconds and come had come to the conclusion that they were not um non-human intelligence that they that they kind of became 36:01 36 minutes, 1 second defeist. Now the new director I think is um he's got some he's got some energy. 36:08 36 minutes, 8 seconds He's he's open about the topic. I think he he he brings a new level of um of 36:15 36 minutes, 15 seconds energy to to the to Arrow. And so I I'm excited about that. Now I think that Arrow 36:22 36 minutes, 22 seconds was not looking in particular. So Grush when whenever Grush and I met with Arrow, it was interesting to watch that 36:30 36 minutes, 30 seconds meeting because Arrow or is supposed to be the experts, but they were they were devouring the information that Grush was telling them. 36:38 36 minutes, 38 seconds um as though they'd never heard it before. Wow. 36:40 36 minutes, 40 seconds So the Grush is clearly um has investigated this topic a lot more than Arrow has. 36:48 36 minutes, 48 seconds That's wild. Would do you ever see a scenario and not to put anybody down, but do you ever see a scenario where Grush might end up being the head of Arrow one day? 36:56 36 minutes, 56 seconds That would be that would be ideal. It would really be ideal. Um but Grush working for me right now, he's we are 37:03 37 minutes, 3 seconds focused on getting the the right people for the next hearing. 37:08 37 minutes, 8 seconds Um, we're also focused on getting some laws that we're going to put in place. I think we're and on the Senate side, Senator Rounds has some language that's 37:16 37 minutes, 16 seconds similar to what Chuck Schumer had put in. Um, and and we're looking at putting that language in on the House side of the National Defense Authorization Act. 37:26 37 minutes, 26 seconds So, we we are definitely pursuing this and and the language that we're looking to put in place is similar to the JFK 37:34 37 minutes, 34 seconds disclosure files. And for people that and I myself was concerned about um the similarities because we we have 37:43 37 minutes, 43 seconds up until today been still waiting on JFK files. But I will what I will point out is that there's a lot of documents that 37:51 37 minutes, 51 seconds have been released by the CIA that the CIA did not want to release about JFK and but it was because of the the 37:59 37 minutes, 59 seconds Disclosure Act they had to. And so that makes gives me some level of comfort that when it comes to this phenomenon 38:07 38 minutes, 7 seconds this this uh UAP topic that if there are documents that the deep state doesn't want to release that this language is going to compel 38:16 38 minutes, 16 seconds them to have to release it at a certain point. And so that's why I think that it's a good um you know model to follow. 38:25 38 minutes, 25 seconds um we may look at trying to accelerate the timeline to from what the JFK files were because look it shouldn't take 60 70 years to to learn this information. 38:35 38 minutes, 35 seconds Um, but you know, like going back to the JFK thing, for example, the there are documents about that kind of really 38:43 38 minutes, 43 seconds point the finger at the CIA's knowledge about Lee Harvey Oswald, knowledge about his comingings and goings and communications that the CIA denied. 38:56 38 minutes, 56 seconds Um, and there were three, you know, individuals, you know, directors or otherwise at the CIA that lied to the 39:04 39 minutes, 4 seconds Warren Commission into Congress about their knowledge of of Lee Harvey Oswald. 39:09 39 minutes, 9 seconds And that all came out um in some in the 2017 disclosures as well as the recent disclosures. 39:17 39 minutes, 17 seconds Yeah, it's a good point, right? I mean, even up until like this past weekend, some of that stuff coming out about interactions with CIA agents and Lee 39:24 39 minutes, 24 seconds Harvey Oswald beforehand, um, makes you wonder about, you know, what else could be out there. But that's really big that actually you mentioned that that you 39:32 39 minutes, 32 seconds guys, you and David Grush and members of the Transparency Task Force, it sounds like you're trying to get on the same page with Senator Rounds and trying to 39:40 39 minutes, 40 seconds put these this legislation, this wording into the new Defense Authorization Act. So, do you feel like that's something? 39:46 39 minutes, 46 seconds Are you confident in that? Because I know last time it kind of got ripped apart. So, I mean, do you feel like it's something that's going to be able to be put through this time and and actually 39:55 39 minutes, 55 seconds move some of the stuff forward? That'd be pretty big. 39:57 39 minutes, 57 seconds Yeah. So, I think that it was stripped out by, you know, I think this is famous, you know, everyone knows this 40:04 40 minutes, 4 seconds now, but by by the intelligence chairman, the previous intelligence chairman fought to have that language stripped out. 40:12 40 minutes, 12 seconds Was that Mike Turner, I believe? 40:14 40 minutes, 14 seconds I Yes. Yeah. And so I at that I think that he's no longer in that role. Um to Johnson's credit, Johnson eventually 40:23 40 minutes, 23 seconds stood up to Mike Turner and removed him from that committee after after a lot of in my opinion abuses of power. So, for 40:32 40 minutes, 32 seconds example, when we were going through and reauthorizing FISA, um there was some stunts, some antics that Chairman Turner 40:40 40 minutes, 40 seconds did to try to create a um you know, some hysteria that that would that would force members 40:48 40 minutes, 48 seconds to vote against um at putting warrant requirements into the FISA bill. And so 40:56 40 minutes, 56 seconds there were a lot of things like that, a lot of pressure that was placed on Speaker Johnson that was unwarranted. 41:02 41 minutes, 2 seconds And I think that when the time came for deciding if Turner was going to keep his chairmanship and he didn't, that was a 41:11 41 minutes, 11 seconds pretty good move by the speaker in my opinion. 41:13 41 minutes, 13 seconds Yeah. Wow. So it's very very interested to see how the new measure goes. Um yeah, that's that's a big deal if you guys can get that through. I want to ask 41:22 41 minutes, 22 seconds you about something else that kind of came out within the past couple of days and that is more news about the drones. 41:28 41 minutes, 28 seconds We all remember what happened. It was referred to now other people had different names for it, but it drones was the accepted term when it came to what was happening over New Jersey and 41:36 41 minutes, 36 seconds other parts of the Northeast during the holiday season in 24. Um I mentioned Ross Coldart earlier. He again I'm going to bring him up because he's come out 41:45 41 minutes, 45 seconds and said within the past couple of days that he believes it was Chinese technology. Now, he hasn't been the only one to say that. There's been other people in high ranking positions who 41:54 41 minutes, 54 seconds have said the same. If that's the case, that goes directly against what was said. Um, I think it was Caroline 42:02 42 minutes, 2 seconds Levit's first press briefing, the press secretary for the Trump administration, where she said this was all FAA authorized. And even the transportation 42:10 42 minutes, 10 seconds secretary, Shawn Duffy, has said recently, you know what? We're still not sure what that was. So, there's three different messages here, Eric. It's Chinese technology. It was authorized by the FAA and we're not sure what it was. 42:21 42 minutes, 21 seconds What do we believe about the drones all these months later? 42:24 42 minutes, 24 seconds Yeah, I'm not sure what they were, but I can say that it's obvious to any it's obvious that they were not nonhuman 42:34 42 minutes, 34 seconds made. I mean, they why or maybe aliens decided to mimic what we do to try to hide in plain sight as a drone. I don't 42:43 42 minutes, 43 seconds know. But the end of the day they looked u they looked and operated like conventional drone technology whether it 42:51 42 minutes, 51 seconds was China or hobbyists or you know Russia who who knows or us I I don't 42:58 42 minutes, 58 seconds know what I do know is that we we have got to get our hand get a handle on um 43:06 43 minutes, 6 seconds mitigating drones. We have got to get a tech, you know, a handle on being able to bring them down at scale. I mean, I 43:14 43 minutes, 14 seconds think I've seen technology where they're able to point a particular device at a drone and to bring it down, but it does not appear to 43:22 43 minutes, 22 seconds be um it does not appear to be able to take down a swarm of drones, which is which is what I think is going 43:30 43 minutes, 30 seconds to be necessary. I mean, if you think about it, the security risk of what happened, what Ukraine did in Russia, 43:37 43 minutes, 37 seconds um, is really should change the way people look at warfare and change the way that we in Congress ought to look at 43:46 43 minutes, 46 seconds keeping things secure. You look at what happened. They they basically sent in, I think, in about four locations, 43:53 43 minutes, 53 seconds uh, semi-truckss that were packed with drones that had grenades on them or some form of explosive. And then they they 44:01 44 minutes, 1 second parked those semi-truckss somewhere near air force bases and other places of interest. And then then we're able to 44:08 44 minutes, 8 seconds remotely launch them and um carry out the mission. If you you know one 44:15 44 minutes, 15 seconds understanding that and that tactic and and that um phenomenon is really going to be it changes it changes the way that 44:23 44 minutes, 23 seconds you view terrorism and security and I know war. And so we've got to be able to mitigate 44:30 44 minutes, 30 seconds um and be able to stop and take down any and all drones that are not supposed to be in an aeros in an airspace. 44:38 44 minutes, 38 seconds Yeah. And to your point, I mean, you know, this was, as you know, it was more than just, you know, flying over private residences. This was military bases in 44:45 44 minutes, 45 seconds Langley, you know, in New Jersey, actually over Wright Pat in a couple of cases. And so I mean this is something that's as you know people like to make 44:54 44 minutes, 54 seconds fun of it sometimes be like oh yeah the drones it was nothing. It was just you know a couple of guys in their backyard. 44:59 44 minutes, 59 seconds But the fact of the matter is they're flying over military bases and they're flying over sensitive installations including one of President Trump's you 45:06 45 minutes, 6 seconds know locations in Bedminster. So I mean it's got to be something that is is figured out. I mean do you is there a sense of urgency in DC about these 45:14 45 minutes, 14 seconds things or is it kind of like a back burner issue? No, I think that there is a sense of urgency because you're seeing that that was one of the key provisions 45:21 45 minutes, 21 seconds of the big beautiful bill was to put some some money in place for u new 45:28 45 minutes, 28 seconds military advance, you know, expenditures be and and it's sad that we have to do that that we can't just reform where 45:36 45 minutes, 36 seconds we're sp sending money to today. But but at the end of the day, a lot of the money that we send out gets gobbled up 45:44 45 minutes, 44 seconds by some of the the older programs, which is why we by put in the big beautiful bill, money that's going to go towards, 45:52 45 minutes, 52 seconds you know, these these these new advanced technologies, hypersonic missiles, drones, and other things. And the when 45:59 45 minutes, 59 seconds you when you talk to people that are, you know, in-house armed services, they they're excited about companies like 46:07 46 minutes, 7 seconds Andural, companies like Hadrien that are that are kind of at the forefront of this new type of manufacturing of drones and other things. 46:16 46 minutes, 16 seconds There's a few more things I'd like to hit on with you, Eric, if you have a few more minutes. Is that okay? Sure. Yeah. 46:22 46 minutes, 22 seconds All right. Perfect. Um, that said, what's what is the big secret? And what 46:29 46 minutes, 29 seconds I mean by that is recently, now there's always been reports to this, but again, recently there's reports of death 46:37 46 minutes, 37 seconds threats to people within the agencies who want to talk about these things. Um, it's kind of a twofold 46:45 46 minutes, 45 seconds question. One, have you heard about some of those things from David Grush directly that's he's heard of death threats from people who want to come out 46:53 46 minutes, 53 seconds to talk about the technologies and two what is the big secret that prevents all this from coming out is it just strictly 47:01 47 minutes, 1 second advanced technology that we want to keep to ourselves away from adversaries or is there something more to it about other life which which one is bigger 47:09 47 minutes, 9 seconds yeah I think that to some extent the whistleblowers are afraid of losing their jobs they're afraid afraid of um 47:17 47 minutes, 17 seconds losing their security clearances and um and and they're afraid of prosecution. You know, David Grush is a good example. 47:25 47 minutes, 25 seconds I mean, he's he is um he's lost his benefits. He's lost his retirement in in 47:32 47 minutes, 32 seconds in stepping away from from the military in order to be a whistleblower. He's given up a lot and and I think that uh 47:41 47 minutes, 41 seconds you know, he deserves to have that given back to him. Um and so but that should not be the case for other whistleblowers 47:49 47 minutes, 49 seconds that come forward. They shouldn't have to they should not have to see him as an example of what their life is going to end up like and uh in or because it is 47:58 47 minutes, 58 seconds definitely a chilling thing. Um and so that I I think there has been David has talked about some people that that have 48:08 48 minutes, 8 seconds um that have passed and that and questioned that you know the way in which they they 48:15 48 minutes, 15 seconds died and suspected that it might have their their connection involvement with being a whistleblower 48:23 48 minutes, 23 seconds but but we don't have anything definitive. Um, I have sent referrals to um an investigative team to investigate 48:31 48 minutes, 31 seconds a particular death and we're going to continue to do that. 48:35 48 minutes, 35 seconds Wow. So, there's one that actually is in your mind that you're thinking about now that was pretty suspicious like suspicious enough for you to act on it. 48:44 48 minutes, 44 seconds That's right. Yeah. 48:46 48 minutes, 46 seconds Wow. Um, without compromising anything with it, can we talk about what that involved as far as the information that 48:55 48 minutes, 55 seconds did come out or that was trying to come out when? No, I don't have the details of that. 49:01 49 minutes, 1 second Okay. But clearly something that was suspicious enough to to look into where someone actually did die. 49:08 49 minutes, 8 seconds Um, wow, that's startling. Well, and and it could be unrelated, but we just don't know. There's enough suspicion that it needs to be investigated. 49:16 49 minutes, 16 seconds And this person worked within the government and government programs. 49:22 49 minutes, 22 seconds Um, wow. On on that note, has there been something that sticks out to you aside from that, um, within the past, say, 49:31 49 minutes, 31 seconds eight months, and I'm just going back maybe nine months, going back to the November hearing, the last UAP hearing. 49:38 49 minutes, 38 seconds Is there something that you've learned since then or something that has kind of piqu your interest since then that you never really would have thought of as a 49:47 49 minutes, 47 seconds possibility that has really surprised you? 49:52 49 minutes, 52 seconds Um, I would say I'll just be kind of candid is that, you know, when the Wall Street Journal 50:01 50 minutes, 1 second article came out, that was also at a time in which we were having a hard time getting Lou Lou had 50:09 50 minutes, 9 seconds we had just had the hearing where Lou had shown us a photo and it was debunked before the end of the day. 50:17 50 minutes, 17 seconds Um, we were having trouble getting and I think Lou stepped away from the topic after that. Um, I believe he did an 50:25 50 minutes, 25 seconds interview with you afterwards and and I really appreciate the the kind words that he said in that interview. 50:31 50 minutes, 31 seconds Um, and I think that he's a patriot. And my, and I'll just kind of step back and say I told Lou Lou after that happened, 50:39 50 minutes, 39 seconds I said, "Lou, when you know, whenever you brought up that photo, you did not say this is definitively a UFO. you you 50:47 50 minutes, 47 seconds kind you you did what exactly what I would have wanted you to do and I think the UAP community would have wanted 50:54 50 minutes, 54 seconds which is you instead of sitting on it you you showed it and released it and 51:03 51 minutes, 3 seconds and instead so the question is and I my question to you and the UAP community is 51:10 51 minutes, 10 seconds which would you rather have someone that sits on something for a long time and doesn't and and doesn't um release it 51:18 51 minutes, 18 seconds until they 100% know that it's accurate and then sometimes may never release that that image because you're never 51:25 51 minutes, 25 seconds going to get maybe 100% certainty or do you want someone to be completely transparent which is what Lou was and he 51:33 51 minutes, 33 seconds said in the in the hearing hey I haven't been able to vet this I just I've received this photo from a friend of 51:40 51 minutes, 40 seconds mine who's a pilot um but here is a photo that's very intriguing it is what it I didn't but I didn't blame Lou. What 51:48 51 minutes, 48 seconds what was frustrating was the response from the UF UAP community where they basically ripped him apart 51:56 51 minutes, 56 seconds online causing him to kind of step away from the topic and take a break. And I don't blame him. I mean the UAP community I just is is schizophrenic. 52:08 52 minutes, 8 seconds you I I that's one thing I have learned is that the UAP community is is very um very hard to please any one faction. 52:17 52 minutes, 17 seconds There's a lot of factions and and um I'm my my ask is that that they 52:24 52 minutes, 24 seconds give people a little bit of grace because in this circumstance you caused one individual to kind of step away from the topic altogether. Some of you may 52:33 52 minutes, 33 seconds say, "Good, we didn't, you know, we didn't like what he had to say." But at the end of the day, I um I was dis discouraged at that moment. And 52:42 52 minutes, 42 seconds discouraged about the fact that we were having a hard time getting people to come in and um go into a skiff and talk 52:50 52 minutes, 50 seconds at the same time we as when the articles in the Wall Street Journal were coming out. Um there, you know, there definitely was a moment where I thought, 52:58 52 minutes, 58 seconds "What am I doing here? Why do I keep I mean, I I've got other things to do. I need to just move on. 53:04 53 minutes, 4 seconds There may be a point where I just say this is I'm not getting anywhere here. 53:08 53 minutes, 8 seconds This has become a futile effort and I just need to move on with my life. 53:12 53 minutes, 12 seconds There's certainly those moments. I'm going to be completely honest and transparent about that. Um, but but I 53:19 53 minutes, 19 seconds would also say it's folks like you and a lot of people that that genuinely just 53:25 53 minutes, 25 seconds want to get to the truth and have, you know, a desire for transparency that that is that inspires me to keep to go forward. 53:36 53 minutes, 36 seconds Well, I appreciate that. Um, you know, personally that means a lot. So, so thank you and I'll keep doing my best and hopefully maybe one day we can 53:44 53 minutes, 44 seconds figure something out together. Um, but that's no that's that's that's a really interesting kind of inside look. So I I appreciate that candid look into the 53:53 53 minutes, 53 seconds thought process that was going through during that time because that that was a very controversial you know kind of episode there and you know Lou was was 54:01 54 minutes, 1 second open about it when I brought him on the show as well. And I I could see just personally a human to human level how um 54:08 54 minutes, 8 seconds I hate to use the word defeated but maybe deflated is the better word. how deflated he truly was in that moment like you know dang you know damned if I 54:16 54 minutes, 16 seconds do damned if I don't and like you said you know there are some people who are celebrating that he's like they were like good get him out of here and there are other people like no you know we 54:24 54 minutes, 24 seconds want to make sure you can keep coming back to do this so you know when stuff like that happens how hard is it to try to move forward with a skiff with with a 54:32 54 minutes, 32 seconds new skiff with you know a disclosure act in the NDAA with a new hearing trying to set up a new hearing I mean is is that a 54:40 54 minutes, 40 seconds setback for you guys when stuff like that happens. 54:42 54 minutes, 42 seconds It It is and it's also a setback that um you know that definitely set us back and we because we had we had a bunch series 54:51 54 minutes, 51 seconds of hearings that were set up in one week. It was going to basically be UAP week and that really kind of rocked that 54:58 54 minutes, 58 seconds entire week and and made it um really kind of reduced the impact of that. We did have some meetings that I thought 55:07 55 minutes, 7 seconds were very productive, but it could have been a lot more productive. And and it's because just um because of of what 55:15 55 minutes, 15 seconds happened. And so I um I I think that the if if if the UAP community had not been 55:24 55 minutes, 24 seconds so brutal online, it we probably would have had a better week. 55:29 55 minutes, 29 seconds It's interesting. Um, now that we're a couple of months removed from that, is there something coming up in the future for you guys as far as the transparency 55:37 55 minutes, 37 seconds task force? So, different gifts that you want to try to get out there and hearing dates? 55:41 55 minutes, 41 seconds Yeah, we're we're going to be we're we're pursuing a hearing date. We have got a list of people that we're we're looking at. We're actually looking at 55:49 55 minutes, 49 seconds doing potentially two. one with um some people that have are direct whistleblowers, people that have had 55:56 55 minutes, 56 seconds when I say direct, they've had eyes directly on or have been have personally encountered UAP 56:04 56 minutes, 4 seconds um in in their in their formal operation. Not not somebody out and about like Joe Blow out there 56:12 56 minutes, 12 seconds that saw something. There's lots I mean thousands and thousands of people like that. I'm talking we're talking about people that have worked for the Pentagon 56:20 56 minutes, 20 seconds or worked in a government program where they worked in and around these this technology whether it was through um uh 56:29 56 minutes, 29 seconds uh crash retrieval or through reverse engineering. That's what we're pursuing right now. Um the next hearing after 56:37 56 minutes, 37 seconds that is where we're going to once we get once we're able to get information um we're looking at doing some 56:45 56 minutes, 45 seconds interrogatories which is where you take some of the things that have been said in these briefings in these hearings in these open hearings under oath and then 56:53 56 minutes, 53 seconds we send a letter um a formal letter as a committee asking for answers from you 57:01 57 minutes, 1 second know whether it's Tulsi Gabbard or um you know who whomever it is that we need to be asking these questions of and then 57:08 57 minutes, 8 seconds which would set up potent the potential second hearing which would hopefully be able to include people like Tulsi 57:15 57 minutes, 15 seconds Gabbard to be able to come forward and and I've been told that she is very she's a friendly when it comes to this topic that she wants disclosure she 57:24 57 minutes, 24 seconds wants to help bring about disclosure on this topic yeah that's I was actually about to ask that I know I'm probably overstating my 57:32 57 minutes, 32 seconds welcome here but it's just such an interesting conversation I can't help but to keep asking questions. So, feel free to just tell me to shut up at some point. Um, but you talk about that 57:41 57 minutes, 41 seconds possibility of a second hearing. What is I mean, could we actually see because actually this came up when I spoke to Steven Bassid, who I'm sure you're aware 57:49 57 minutes, 49 seconds of there in DC. He's, you know, big disclosure advocate there. Is that something that we could see a future where you do have a Tulsi Gabbard 57:57 57 minutes, 57 seconds director of national intelligence where you do have and maybe this a pipe dream but a John Ratcliffe a CIA director a Cash Patel you know in FBI or even Dan 58:06 58 minutes, 6 seconds Bonino as far as you know a a deputy director are we talking about heads of agencies in a hearing to answer 58:14 58 minutes, 14 seconds questions on UAP? Yeah, I mean nothing set in stone, but that has been that's been one of the goals of the of the UAP or the I'm sorry, the disclosure task force. 58:24 58 minutes, 24 seconds Wow, that would be quite the site. Um, when you talk about firsthand witnesses, are these names that people have never heard before that, you know, working in 58:32 58 minutes, 32 seconds the in on these programs that are willing to come out and talk about it under oath? Would these be new names? 58:38 58 minutes, 38 seconds Yeah, there will be there will be some names that are that are not new and then some that that are going to be new. 58:45 58 minutes, 45 seconds Interesting. And these are like career career people. They've they've been working on these things for years. Yeah. I'll get you out of this on here, Eric. 58:54 58 minutes, 54 seconds Um, is there a point where if something happens, you find out something, you do go to Area 51 and go 59:02 59 minutes, 2 seconds within the inner sanctums of Area 51 or write Patterson and go in the underground tunnels and whatnot, or you find out something in a skiff. If is 59:10 59 minutes, 10 seconds there a point that you would see just just for yourself where if you found out a piece of information that would 59:17 59 minutes, 17 seconds actually stop you in your tracks and make you say, you know what, I kind of understand why this is a secret now and 59:26 59 minutes, 26 seconds you would actually stop pursuing it in a way to bring about open disclosure. Is there is there anything that would make you do that? 59:34 59 minutes, 34 seconds No. At the end of the day, I do believe that the public deserves to know. I don't think that the the topic of the existence of non-human intelligence is 59:44 59 minutes, 44 seconds the is in the rightful hands of any government period. And so I will always pursue that disclosure. I will probably 59:52 59 minutes, 52 seconds um want to make sure that we protect um our our military secrets and the things that we've got in our possession and our 1:00:00 1 hour capabilities. But I do not think that the topic of non-human intelligence belongs to any government whatsoever. 1:00:09 1 hour, 9 seconds And so I will I will continue to pursue that. And I can Stephen look if I have come to a a moment where I'm convinced 1:00:17 1 hour, 17 seconds you'll probably know you you'll know because right the way in which I talk about the topic will change. 1:00:26 1 hour, 26 seconds Interesting. All right. Well, we'll we'll keep an eye out for the clues or an ear out for the clues as well. Um, Eric Burlson, thank you so much for for 1:00:33 1 hour, 33 seconds all the time. Been extremely generous with your time here today and I hope that we can stay in touch and, you know, as things develop, maybe bring you back on when as things pop up. Absolutely. 1:00:44 1 hour, 44 seconds You do you do a great job. I enjoy your podcast and I actually listen to it. So, thank you for what you do. 1:00:49 1 hour, 49 seconds I appreciate it. Hopefully, I can keep you as as a listener and I don't scare you away. So, Eric Burlson, thanks so much coming on here to UAP.