0:01 1 second Well, it's my pleasure now to bring on for the first time here to UAP, the editor-inchief from the Liberation Times, the one, the only Christopher 0:10 10 seconds Sharp. Uh, the great Christopher Sharp in my opinion. Uh, Chris, thanks for doing this. Uh, I've been following your work for a while. I'm really happy to have you on. 0:18 18 seconds Oh, thank you, Stephen. That means a lot. Means a lot. It's um, yeah, like I know that there's been, you know, some really, really good podcasts you've done 0:26 26 seconds recently and you're becoming a big name yourself. So, um, I'm happy to be here with you. 0:31 31 seconds Yeah, I I appreciate that. So, I have a feeling that, uh, you know, we we maybe we can make some waves with this one here today because there is a lot to 0:39 39 seconds touch on for sure. And, um, actually, what I'd like to do, Chris, is get right into something that just really 0:47 47 seconds happened. Now, as we're talking here right now, of course, uh, just just for, um, I guess timing sake, we're talking right here here right now on Friday 0:55 55 seconds night. And so by the time everyone hears this, it's going to be a few days later, but as we're speaking now, there is something that just happened to you and 1:04 1 minute, 4 seconds one of your I mean big pieces of work was just taken down from the Daily Mail. 1:09 1 minute, 9 seconds It was something that you and Matt Ford and a couple of others worked on. It was it was a big article that you guys worked on um about how the CIA was 1:16 1 minute, 16 seconds involved with the Office of Global Access and the Crash Retrieval Program. 1:20 1 minute, 20 seconds It was an incredible piece that you guys had put out and now it's gone. it's been permanently deleted from the Daily Mail. 1:27 1 minute, 27 seconds Um, so what do you know about that right now? I know it's still early, so I I apologize if it's if you're still kind of gathering information on that, but what can you tell us about that uh in the immediate? 1:37 1 minute, 37 seconds Yeah, so I'm I remain open-minded. I'm just trying to seek clarification from my um co-writer Josh Boswell, who's a 1:47 1 minute, 47 seconds staff writer there. But um I could imagine if Josh knew anything about it, he would have likely been in touch with 1:53 1 minute, 53 seconds me already. Um so it may have taken you by surprise as well. Um it's interesting. I mean from you guys were blindsided by this then. 2:02 2 minutes, 2 seconds This this was completely like no one from Daily Mail got in touch with you. 2:05 2 minutes, 5 seconds They didn't say, "Hey, we we need you to revise a couple things." But they just took it down and you had no idea. 2:10 2 minutes, 10 seconds Yeah, that's true. So um I mean it could be a glitch. Who knows? It could be a glitch. Um, I'll keep open-minded 2:18 2 minutes, 18 seconds towards that. Um, but um, yeah, like from my understanding, like, you know, if they if they took it down because 2:27 2 minutes, 27 seconds there was something that was factually incorrect about it, for example, they would have to talk to me, 2:36 2 minutes, 36 seconds Josh, and Matt about that first, usually. 2:41 2 minutes, 41 seconds um or they would have they would have to see some very very compelling evidence 2:48 2 minutes, 48 seconds to prove to the contrary that it wasn't correct, you know, because we're talking about classified stuff here and you know, alien life and UAPs and stuff like that. 2:57 2 minutes, 57 seconds Um alien life anyway um in terms of visiting Earth, that's not a thing according to the DO um and the 3:05 3 minutes, 5 seconds intelligence community. So [laughter] like how would you do that? So I don't know. It's it's very very strange. But 3:12 3 minutes, 12 seconds all I can say is that um if it has been taken down due to like a complaint or 3:19 3 minutes, 19 seconds national security or something like that um firstly it's strange because it's been up a number of years now so it's already out there you know that train's 3:27 3 minutes, 27 seconds pass you know um and then secondly if that does happen I mean it becomes a bigger story 3:36 3 minutes, 36 seconds it it becomes a much bigger story. um and that would backfire. So, at the moment, nothing really makes sense to 3:45 3 minutes, 45 seconds me. So, um we're just trying to get some clarity and as I said, I just I just remain open-minded. Um so, we'll have to 3:52 3 minutes, 52 seconds we'll have to see which direction this goes in. 3:55 3 minutes, 55 seconds Yeah. No, and and that's fair. I mean, hey, I guess for argument's sake, it could be a mistake, right? Maybe it's nothing nefarious. It just kind of seems 4:03 4 minutes, 3 seconds odd that it ends up being that particular article talking about the CIA and a crash retrieval program. Um, can you think of anything for anybody who's 4:10 4 minutes, 10 seconds not familiar with that article with with that investigative piece that you guys did? Can you think of anything that would, you know, major 4:19 4 minutes, 19 seconds uh, piece of information, names, something like that that would be in the article that would cause some type of stir within the CIA that would cause 4:28 4 minutes, 28 seconds them now all this time later to call them up and say, "We need this down now, even though it's been out there for a while." 4:34 4 minutes, 34 seconds [clears throat and laughter] 4:36 4 minutes, 36 seconds Uh, not really. No. Um, I I think we named um I think it was something 4:46 4 minutes, 46 seconds I'm I'm really really not sure what it what it could be. I mean, I I suppose like Office of Global Access was out 4:53 4 minutes, 53 seconds there already, you know, it was open source information that existed. 4:58 4 minutes, 58 seconds Um, and I suppose what we did was, um, you know, we tried to really get to the bottom behind the composition of a 5:07 5 minutes, 7 seconds retrieval program. And, um, so we put it all together in terms of, you know, your 5:13 5 minutes, 13 seconds your, um, your your elite kind of like military special forces teams working 5:20 5 minutes, 20 seconds together with, you know, um, DOE components and which be Nest. and then 5:27 5 minutes, 27 seconds um you know the CIA as well and how that's all kind of like put together via the director of science and technology 5:35 5 minutes, 35 seconds at the time and the office global access. Um so we kind of like put that all together I suppose. So I think that 5:43 5 minutes, 43 seconds was quite big at the time in terms of the story putting it together in terms of the exact details because everyone always used to say oh CIA they do all 5:52 5 minutes, 52 seconds this stuff but kind of like I wanted to get to the bottom like who in the CIA where in the CIA how does it work what 5:59 5 minutes, 59 seconds are the logistics and stuff like that I wanted to really drill down to those. So I suppose we got that out but um I mean I don't I don't know what's sensitive 6:07 6 minutes, 7 seconds about it from my understanding like some people claim the OGA still exists the office of global access others say that it's being moved into one of the mission 6:15 6 minutes, 15 seconds centers in the C. So it's it's it's a real tough one and I'd also mention as well that the office of global access 6:23 6 minutes, 23 seconds um you know this isn't what it usually does in terms of like its dayto-day kind of job. you know, its job is to um 6:33 6 minutes, 33 seconds retrieve stuff and put and to put stuff in basically which is really really sensitive um within foreign countries. 6:42 6 minutes, 42 seconds So they're kind of like cool called like the tunnel rats or something like that because they can get into extremely hard places um and pull a piece of equipment 6:50 6 minutes, 50 seconds to help gather information and extract that information as well. Um well extract that equipment as well. So they're very very good at that. Um, and 6:59 6 minutes, 59 seconds it just so happens, you know, in terms of a retrieval mission from my understanding, where you've got a craft 7:06 7 minutes, 6 seconds being recovered in a really hard to access location, let's say. Um, you know, it could even be um a contested location. 7:17 7 minutes, 17 seconds Those would be your go-to guys. Um, so [snorts] it's a it's a real tough one. I yeah I mean I have to look at the story 7:25 7 minutes, 25 seconds again to have another run through but I nothing really springs to mind at the top of my head I guess I guess other than the obvious 7:34 7 minutes, 34 seconds which was you know kind of uncovering the way that this uh the inner workings of the program I suppose and how they all connect and how the departments 7:42 7 minutes, 42 seconds connect and how they all work together in conjunction to you know u achieve crash retrieval. Um, now I mean do do 7:50 7 minutes, 50 seconds you think that and this is pure speculation so I just want to get your take on it given the timing. Do you think that it has anything any 7:58 7 minutes, 58 seconds connection with recent disappearances? I know with General McCassland and even 8:06 8 minutes, 6 seconds others on his team who disappeared some months ago and now he's gone. Um, of course we have, you know, the Caltech professor uh Gilmare who was shot and 8:15 8 minutes, 15 seconds killed on his porch. There's speculation that all these things might be connected. We can't say for sure, but all these people had one thing in common 8:25 8 minutes, 25 seconds which was working with very sensitive information having to do with space and advanced technology and we have that 8:32 8 minutes, 32 seconds going on on the side and now we also have this article that you did being taken down. Just first reaction, do you 8:39 8 minutes, 39 seconds think there's anything there that if any of this is connected, this might be a piece of it? 8:46 8 minutes, 46 seconds Yeah. So I mean obviously it has crossed my mind and um I really don't know what's happening. Um all I can say in 8:54 8 minutes, 54 seconds terms of like Macassan for instance is it's it's bizarre. Really really bizarre. Um certainly when you take into 9:02 9 minutes, 2 seconds account the other disappearances and and deaths as well. Uh it's really really bizarre. Uh but let's say like let's 9:10 9 minutes, 10 seconds take it up you know like there's a hypothesis and this is part of like push back um perhaps from the antibodies 9:17 9 minutes, 17 seconds within the system um and if this was part of that let's say so let's go down that scenario it may 9:24 9 minutes, 24 seconds not be that I could just get the message right now that it's been put back upon the Daily Mail website who knows let's entertain that so if that was 9:32 9 minutes, 32 seconds going to happen all you could say is that you know it's a signal 9:38 9 minutes, 38 seconds um you know it's been up there for a long time on the website so I mean it's 9:46 9 minutes, 46 seconds not really sensitive anymore in terms of that because it's spread all around the world this story has um so the only reasoning 9:54 9 minutes, 54 seconds um if we are going down that route is basically they're sending a signal um you know this is your first warning 10:03 10 minutes, 3 seconds or or something like that maybe um so yeah I it's it's it's it's tough to say. 10:10 10 minutes, 10 seconds Um but all I would say is some very very powerful bad people, you know, may now 10:17 10 minutes, 17 seconds be in um places of greater power than they were previously potentially. So yeah. 10:25 10 minutes, 25 seconds Um on that note actually and and hopefully I know it might be a little bit of a sensitive situation because it just happened. Um, but before we came 10:34 10 minutes, 34 seconds on, you you noticed your phone and I you you were kind of like, you know, concerned a little bit because you said 10:41 10 minutes, 41 seconds that someone was trying to log into your email and you were getting notifications. Someone was trying to log into your email. Of course, you're denying the access. Um, does does that 10:49 10 minutes, 49 seconds happen a lot? Again, we're talking about timing, maybe coincidences. Maybe we can write some of these things off, but you know, the article just comes down someone's trying to log into your email 10:58 10 minutes, 58 seconds remotely. So, I mean, does that alarm you at all? And does that happen a lot? 11:03 11 minutes, 3 seconds It it it it does. I mean, that's been happening for a few months now. It stopped recently in terms of people 11:12 11 minutes, 12 seconds trying to access my email. I know that there's these scams going on and they tried to fish me. Yeah. 11:19 11 minutes, 19 seconds They just tried to get someone to take the bait or something like that. But yeah, like the always makes you think. 11:23 11 minutes, 23 seconds Obviously, you know, when we released the office global access story, you know, Matt Ford receives receives kind of like a threat when he's in Las Vegas 11:32 11 minutes, 32 seconds from this random person and then my internet goes down on my computer and it never fully recovers. 11:39 11 minutes, 39 seconds It's kind of like every other like on that exact day when the article goes out comes out like um my internet goes down. 11:48 11 minutes, 48 seconds where it's only like got one bar basically. And then you go everywhere else in my home. Every other device is full signal um Wi-Fi except my computer. 12:00 12 minutes Except my computer and I call the service provider. They can't find out what's gone wrong and in the end I have to get a new computer. Um so 12:09 12 minutes, 9 seconds yeah, like I'm very very cautious um in terms of interpreting things. I mean, my family life and my kids and stuff, keep my feet way to the ground. 12:19 12 minutes, 19 seconds Um, but yeah, I just see it as interesting. Um, and obviously you do 12:27 12 minutes, 27 seconds have those moments when it's quite alarming in terms of the information you're getting out. And um, I know that not 12:36 12 minutes, 36 seconds everyone sees it this way. Everyone's kind of like some some people like see it as kind of like oh you're laughing or something like that because you're 12:44 12 minutes, 44 seconds saying you're being threatened you're like oh like you like being part of this game or something like that. But I can tell you that you know when when you get 12:52 12 minutes, 52 seconds kind of like people in who have been in high positions of power, let's say, and they're warning 13:01 13 minutes, 1 second you that the information you're about to publish could get you in a lot of trouble and upset a lot of mean, nasty 13:08 13 minutes, 8 seconds people who have basically killed people before potentially. Um, that's gonna, you know, having kids and 13:16 13 minutes, 16 seconds stuff, you know, when you're being told that stuff, it's obviously going to have some impact on you. Um, 13:25 13 minutes, 25 seconds so you're always having to uh to to weigh everything, you know. So, when I did the Pax River story in January, for 13:33 13 minutes, 33 seconds example, Yeah. 13:34 13 minutes, 34 seconds that was a really big deal. A lot of people were sitting on that information in terms of there being, you know, not just materials 13:42 13 minutes, 42 seconds that were supposed to go to um Bigalow, which were going to come to that base, but actually there being an exotic craft 13:49 13 minutes, 49 seconds at that base, right? 13:52 13 minutes, 52 seconds People knew that, but um no one was willing to kind of like put that information out apart from me. 13:59 13 minutes, 59 seconds [laughter] 14:00 14 minutes Maybe I'm just dumb enough to do that. I don't know. No, it's, you know, look, I I I think there's a level of bravery there because, you know, if no one puts it out there, no one's going to know. 14:09 14 minutes, 9 seconds And I I'm with you. I believe people deserve to know these things. Um, you know, as long as it doesn't hurt national security and put us at a 14:17 14 minutes, 17 seconds disadvantage in some way, then I I believe people deserve to know what's happening, you know, the things that we can put out there. So, good on you for doing it. And actually, you you just 14:26 14 minutes, 26 seconds said something that I was going to ask you about. What do you say to the people who listen to this right now and they think to themselves, "Man, these guys are dramatic. There's nothing going on. 14:36 14 minutes, 36 seconds No one's being threatened. They don't care about what's going on. It's all just a coincidence. It's in their heads. 14:40 14 minutes, 40 seconds They're paranoid." What do you say to all those things? 14:44 14 minutes, 44 seconds I mean, it it could do, right? It could be that. Who knows? I mean, I'm more grounded probably than most people, but 14:54 14 minutes, 54 seconds um all I can say is that um when people who only I know 15:01 15 minutes, 1 second come up to me and they're very very credible and they make these warnings, you have to kind of like take that into 15:09 15 minutes, 9 seconds consideration when you're getting authority figures telling you that. And um yeah, it does play on your mind as a human being, you know. 15:18 15 minutes, 18 seconds [laughter] 15:19 15 minutes, 19 seconds Um, I spoke to one person who spoke out for instance like 15:27 15 minutes, 27 seconds what they said was very very interesting and they had never said it before. um I won't name the person but they said it publicly and um about kind of like UAP 15:37 15 minutes, 37 seconds materials let's say and um I was trying to get in touch with them try and get further comment and the person said that 15:44 15 minutes, 44 seconds they were warned that it's kind of like you took a big risk there and 15:51 15 minutes, 51 seconds you never know when you've gone too far until you've gone too far and by then it's too late. don't push your luck. And 15:58 15 minutes, 58 seconds the person has since refused to comment on anything in terms of UAP related because he was given that warning. 16:07 16 minutes, 7 seconds Wow. Wow. So that's I mean how do you react to that when you see something like that? Have you stayed in contact 16:13 16 minutes, 13 seconds with this person? I mean how do you even take that in in the moment? 16:19 16 minutes, 19 seconds So there is a line that you have to um not go past. So you have to respect the the wishes of um 16:28 16 minutes, 28 seconds certain people that you know are involved. You know, I I I know of people that have been threatened badly, who 16:36 16 minutes, 36 seconds have been in big positions, let's say, um 16:43 16 minutes, 43 seconds investigating the UAP topic, let's say, and um I I know that they're very very 16:49 16 minutes, 49 seconds credible and I've chosen not to go there in terms of publishing information about 16:57 16 minutes, 57 seconds them because I know that they're lives have been destroyed already and that they're trying to rebuild their lives 17:05 17 minutes, 5 seconds and um me putting information out there in a personal capacity would, you know, 17:12 17 minutes, 12 seconds potentially threaten their lives at the moment when they're trying to rebuild everything. Um, so I think you've got to like take ethical 17:20 17 minutes, 20 seconds considerations into account as well when it comes to this stuff. 17:25 17 minutes, 25 seconds It's it's startling because, you know, I I just finished speaking um previously with uh Jeff Nucatelli, who of course I 17:33 17 minutes, 33 seconds think people are familiar with now as far as being a congressional witness. He tells an incredible story about the Vandenberg sightings in the early 2000s. 17:41 17 minutes, 41 seconds Um, and it was a shocking moment when he was on here and he said that, you know, he felt like he was being threatened before the testimony, before the 17:48 17 minutes, 48 seconds congressional hearing, uh, in September of last year in in 25 because his house was broken into, you know, he called the 17:56 17 minutes, 56 seconds police about it. He reported it, but he said he felt like that he was and he was, you know, face to face people coming up to him and other witnesses who 18:04 18 minutes, 4 seconds were going to testify. And he said he felt like he was being sent a message to your point of what we've been talking about here. And we are going to cover some other topics, but I felt this was an important one to start with. Um, but 18:13 18 minutes, 13 seconds he said he felt like he was being threatened in the sense of sending a message that we can get to you whenever 18:20 18 minutes, 20 seconds we want and you should you should be careful. Um, and so it's kind of what we're talking about here. and the people 18:27 18 minutes, 27 seconds who have responded to you saying that basically their lives have been threatened, I mean, in not so many words and they they 18:34 18 minutes, 34 seconds can't go any further than they've already have. Um, if we're going to take those statements that way that they gave you, obviously, you can't reveal who that is and the people that you've spoken to. But I will ask it this way. 18:46 18 minutes, 46 seconds Are these names that people would recognize and be surprised that they're the ones telling you that they've reached this level of threats? 18:55 18 minutes, 55 seconds Um, people wouldn't recognize them. Not necessarily. Their names may have been put out there before. Um, but most people wouldn't know who they are. 19:04 19 minutes, 4 seconds Okay. Okay. Um, it's it's it's a heavy subject obviously. And actually, there was something that you brought up that I 19:12 19 minutes, 12 seconds was going to ask later, but since you brought it up, I I'll bring it up now about, you know, things that you hold back uh as far as different pieces that 19:21 19 minutes, 21 seconds you put in put out for publication. Um, and you have to make that decision, right? You have to make the ethical decision on what should I or should I 19:30 19 minutes, 30 seconds not put out depending on all these different factors. Can you talk about maybe in at least a general way of some 19:37 19 minutes, 37 seconds of the things that you've had to hold back? You felt like personally I shouldn't put this out now or I shouldn't put it out at all because of 19:45 19 minutes, 45 seconds XYZ factors. What what type of things have there been where that's happen to you? And does it happen a lot? 19:53 19 minutes, 53 seconds Yeah. Yeah, it happens sometimes. So, um you know, you've got this um so you got two stories, let's say. you know, you've 20:01 20 minutes, 1 second got um Gary Nan being threatened basically with death um from someone in 20:08 20 minutes, 8 seconds the White House and um you so Gary Nolan was threatened by someone 20:16 20 minutes, 16 seconds in the White House um someone from the White House from understanding and then you've got um Mark and 20:23 20 minutes, 23 seconds um one of the Silicon Valley guys being told by someone in the White House that you know they can classify AI just like they classified physics or something 20:32 20 minutes, 32 seconds along those lines. Um so um I think the White House is a very 20:39 20 minutes, 39 seconds interesting place that no one's really touched on before and um probably with good reason. Um 20:47 20 minutes, 47 seconds all you've got to do is put yourself in the space whereby let's say you're a president um in the 20:54 20 minutes, 54 seconds late 40s early 50s in charge of putting together the secrecy. 21:00 21 minutes As that president you want to make sure that there is oversight in your own office to ensure that you know what's 21:09 21 minutes, 9 seconds going on. So you know throughout the years president may only know um for 21:15 21 minutes, 15 seconds need to know now um but that same architecture may still be there let's say um been places in the White House 21:24 21 minutes, 24 seconds and um I I won't I won't go there. I won't name names. I won't be too specific when it 21:32 21 minutes, 32 seconds comes to that because the risk is too much. Um, you know, we've got Berles even saying that, you know, if there are 21:40 21 minutes, 40 seconds certain names that he mentions, that puts his that that puts him in danger. 21:45 21 minutes, 45 seconds Um, so you know, who whoever is going to put that information, if that information does come out, they're braver than me. 21:54 21 minutes, 54 seconds That's all I can say [laughter] because I'm not going to go there. 21:57 21 minutes, 57 seconds Wow. Um, do you think because this has kind of been the case now and you alluded to it over the decades, right? 22:05 22 minutes, 5 seconds This isn't something new honestly when it comes to how much does the president know and how much is the president 22:14 22 minutes, 14 seconds strategically told about the UFO topic and I think and and correct me if I'm wrong but just based off of my 22:21 22 minutes, 21 seconds observations on this topic uh going back to JFK when it comes to threats against the president not to go too far um you 22:31 22 minutes, 31 seconds know it's been spoken about that maybe that was one of the things theorized that one of the things that got JFK assassinated, it's been spoken about 22:38 22 minutes, 38 seconds before with Bill Clinton where he was told, "You don't want to end up like JFK. Stop looking into this because he was very interested in the topic." Barack Obama talks about, you know, 22:47 22 minutes, 47 seconds unless they're hiding things from the president, I can't tell you too much about what's in Area 51. And now that leads us to Trump where he says, "Yeah, 22:55 22 minutes, 55 seconds I've been told some things, um, but you know, I'm not really into all that, but we're going to declassify all this stuff." So are are should people 23:02 23 minutes, 2 seconds understand like that's what we're dealing with where you have the president and you would think that is the person who would know all this stuff 23:10 23 minutes, 10 seconds but there's actually this other sector that hides the information from them. 23:15 23 minutes, 15 seconds Yeah. they're a temporary employee and um you know I think even in this country in the UK you know the um the permanent 23:24 23 minutes, 24 seconds civil service know how to run rings around secretaries of state um when it comes to anything um because the 23:32 23 minutes, 32 seconds bureaucratic system is just very very complex and layered and um yeah I think that does happen I think with Barack Obama particularly I think there's 23:40 23 minutes, 40 seconds allegation out out there that James Clapper and Stephanie Sullivan who were the um director of national intelligence 23:47 23 minutes, 47 seconds at the time and um PTD PDD and um so the de his deputy Stephanie Sullivan they 23:54 23 minutes, 54 seconds were running a um a kinetic and crash retrieval program shooting down UAP and retrieving them. 24:03 24 minutes, 3 seconds Um that's out there now. Um [laughter] and um yeah and that was right under 24:11 24 minutes, 11 seconds Obama's nose. So, um, yeah, it may have been very deliberate in terms of those comments and, uh, there was a lot going on back then. 24:20 24 minutes, 20 seconds Yeah. And kind of in that time frame and I and I know you know what's happened recently with JD Vance where he just spoke about aliens, too. So, I want to 24:27 24 minutes, 27 seconds get to that in a second, but kind of staying in that time frame, how much do you think um you because you mentioned Secretary of State and you mentioned 24:35 24 minutes, 35 seconds some of these behind-the-scenes players, how much do you think Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State and then as a presidential candidate along with her 24:42 24 minutes, 42 seconds campaign manager John Podesta, who was also big during uh Obama's term. Was he chief of staff? I'm trying to remember 24:49 24 minutes, 49 seconds off the top of my head. Um yeah, he was like um something like head of her presidential campaign at the time 24:58 24 minutes, 58 seconds when he made um contact with um Dange, but I think it may have gone as far back as when he was one of um the advisers to Obama under his presidency. 25:09 25 minutes, 9 seconds Yeah, that's right. So, you know, th those two names come to mind because also, you know, when she was just in uh the deposition, we mentioned Burlson where Burlson asks her during the 25:17 25 minutes, 17 seconds Epstein deposition. You know, what did you find out about aliens? Is there anything that you can tell us about it? 25:23 25 minutes, 23 seconds Of course, that didn't really go anywhere. She was asking them more questions, but how much do you think they were players? How what have you found out in your investigations over 25:32 25 minutes, 32 seconds the years in writing for the Times, the Liberation Times, um about Hillary and Clinton and John Podesta and what they might have known and what they've held back over the years. 25:43 25 minutes, 43 seconds Yeah, I I I think there's um that there's a there's a there's a lot to that. Um 25:51 25 minutes, 51 seconds and I I I still need to get to the bottom of it. Um there's a few other players. um at least one other person 25:59 25 minutes, 59 seconds involved. Um I can't name that person. I was going to have to sign an NDA not to sign that person, but I had to give my 26:07 26 minutes, 7 seconds word and I am going to give my word. But there's someone else potentially involved as well. But um I think what you got to think about is when you look 26:14 26 minutes, 14 seconds in any administration, you've got to look at the backgrounds of these people. 26:18 26 minutes, 18 seconds Look at the people who really hold the power. Where have they been before? what corporations, you know, we've got it out there now that um Dick Cheney, for 26:27 26 minutes, 27 seconds example, was kind of like one of the main guys was the main guy in terms of a lot of the secrecy. Um and you know, we 26:35 26 minutes, 35 seconds we know that his wife was um involved with Loheed Martin. Um I think she was on the board or something like that. So there's all these things that come into 26:43 26 minutes, 43 seconds play, you know, and there's all these places you got connections to. We know that James Clapper, for instance, um 26:50 26 minutes, 50 seconds knew and spoke very very highly of Bobby Ray Inman because he was like a liaison between um 26:59 26 minutes, 59 seconds the NSA and um US Air Force back in like the late 70s, early 80s. Um so that's how he knew Bobby Raymond. you call 27:07 27 minutes, 7 seconds these connections and stuff and um but I I I think that something was developing within the Obama White House and um Obama likely is very very aware of it. 27:20 27 minutes, 20 seconds You know, he he was very close to Harry Reid, for example. So, it'd be surprising if he didn't know more than he was letting on. 27:27 27 minutes, 27 seconds Very interesting. I mean it's and that's the thing that that I kind of I kind of come back to and I I kind of think about in my own time really too Chris is that 27:36 27 minutes, 36 seconds um when I talk to somebody for example and I wonder if you have similar experiences when I talk to somebody outside of the conversation right just 27:44 27 minutes, 44 seconds everyday life uh you meet somebody new you meet somebody at uh you know a work function oh what do you do you know in what your department blah blah blah oh 27:53 27 minutes, 53 seconds yeah I have this show where I talk about aliens oh wow and they start to kind of you know think it's funny, think it's cute, and then I start to talk to them more about, "Yeah, this is what I talk 28:02 28 minutes, 2 seconds about." And they're like, "Oh, wow." So, I mean, do you have that type of like same conversation or same type of um 28:10 28 minutes, 10 seconds experiences where sometimes people who aren't entrenched in the topic think about, "Oh, yeah, wow, aliens, that's fun." You know, XFiles, Little Green 28:17 28 minutes, 17 seconds Men, and then they start to learn about the webs, right, that we're talking about here, where you can trace it back. 28:23 28 minutes, 23 seconds And this is re there's real investigative work that goes into this dangerous investigative work that goes into this where you trace back different 28:31 28 minutes, 31 seconds players and presidential administrations and um you know classified departments and three-letter agencies throughout the decades and when people start to learn 28:39 28 minutes, 39 seconds that it kind of becomes almost too much for them to to take in. What what kind of experience do you have with that where people start to realize yeah 28:48 28 minutes, 48 seconds there's there's more to this than meets the eye? 28:50 28 minutes, 50 seconds Yeah. Yeah. So, one good example I guess was about a month or so ago when I appeared on um talk TV in the UK and um 29:00 29 minutes I was being interviewed by a lady named Alex Phillips um and one of her guests 29:07 29 minutes, 7 seconds on the show um who was watching the interview was Nile Gardner works for the Heritage Foundation. 29:15 29 minutes, 15 seconds Okay. And um he was a for he was an aid to Margaret Thatcher. Um so yeah like really reputable guy. 29:24 29 minutes, 24 seconds Yeah. And um after my interview he was like saying to Alex like because Alex had said that his face dropped in the 29:33 29 minutes, 33 seconds advert break after my interview and um he basically said yeah that interview with the Daily Mail Journalist I must 29:40 29 minutes, 40 seconds admit was was quite extraordinary and um it does seem like there is something to this and this may be like you know one 29:47 29 minutes, 47 seconds of the biggest stories if not the biggest of all time or something like that. So that was kind of like a really cool um that was a really cool situation 29:55 29 minutes, 55 seconds because you were seeing like a live reaction from someone who's really re really reputable, you know. So um that was really cool for me. That was a cool 30:03 30 minutes, 3 seconds moment, you know. I was like yes, especially to my wife, [clears throat] you know, who never listens to me about this like yes. See, is important. 30:11 30 minutes, 11 seconds [laughter] 30:12 30 minutes, 12 seconds I have similar situations at home as well. So I completely understand. Um but to kind of staying in this realm and and 30:19 30 minutes, 19 seconds touching on something that again kind of just happened now as we're speaking now here on a Friday night. Uh something that's kind of you know hit the the news 30:27 30 minutes, 27 seconds waves and social media in a big way was Vice President JD Vance um on a podcast with uh Benny Johnson I believe where 30:36 30 minutes, 36 seconds Benny Johnson asks him about you know what's going on. You know President Trump said he released the UFO files. 30:41 30 minutes, 41 seconds Are you looking into it? And Vance has spoken before about this. when asked about it said he was highly interested in it. It's something uh in his answer 30:48 30 minutes, 48 seconds to Benny Johnson actually, he said, "I'm obsessed with the topic. Um I want to find out. It was one of the first things on my list when I first got into office 30:55 30 minutes, 55 seconds and now I've been distracted with uh economy and national uh security." He's like, "But it's something I still want to get into." And then he made the big 31:04 31 minutes, 4 seconds claim uh by and credit actually to Benny Johnson because some people wouldn't do it. He pressed Vance on it a little bit 31:12 31 minutes, 12 seconds and said, you know, because Vance had mentioned, I think it's demons. And Benny Johnson says, well, hold on. You need to expound on that a little bit. 31:20 31 minutes, 20 seconds I'm paraphrasing. So, he did. And his claim now, and this is the thing that's kind of gone viral, is I think it's demons. Kind of overall, we have the 31:29 31 minutes, 29 seconds vice president of the United States in the camp of aliens or demons. So when we hear that, it kind of goes back and I 31:38 31 minutes, 38 seconds want to get your opinion on it to a lot of people in very big positions of power such as vice president believe that this might have more of a demonic entity to 31:47 31 minutes, 47 seconds it than anything. Do you think that's something that is going to hamper big time uh disclosure or do you think it's 31:55 31 minutes, 55 seconds something that maybe would have a reverse effect on it? 31:59 31 minutes, 59 seconds It's difficult to tell, but what what my thoughts were is that um I mean this is kind of like reminds me of the Peter 32:07 32 minutes, 7 seconds Phil kind of like line of thinking. He does a lot of um lectures on the antichrist as well right now. Peter Phil does he's very philosophical about this 32:15 32 minutes, 15 seconds stuff and um it just makes reminds me that it seems to me that Silicon Valley wants in um they know something's happening. They know something's up. 32:26 32 minutes, 26 seconds They know that physics has stagnated since 1970s which I think Peter Phil um had actually mentioned as well in an FD 32:34 32 minutes, 34 seconds article. So they know something's up and they want they want to know. Um Peter Phil is a very very good good chess 32:41 32 minutes, 41 seconds player. um very strategic in his thinking and um you know if you did want to get to the bottom of this and you 32:50 32 minutes, 50 seconds wanted in let's say access to the craft or to the power source something like that you want to make sure that you're putting all your people in the right 32:58 32 minutes, 58 seconds position so let's have a look at um let's have a look at JD Vance for example I think he was running in Ohio 33:07 33 minutes, 7 seconds or something like that for Senate and he was losing and then all of a sudden he was given one of biggest campaign 33:13 33 minutes, 13 seconds donations in history by Peter Phil. And um just so happened that JD Vance used 33:20 33 minutes, 20 seconds to work for Peter Phil. Uh [laughter] and um I believe that Peter Phil has got 33:26 33 minutes, 26 seconds his people in positions um deliberately, let's say. Um and part 33:34 33 minutes, 34 seconds of the reason is so they can have access to this stuff. Um, so places him in positions of power. Look at look at, you 33:43 33 minutes, 43 seconds know, another guy, let's say, Michael Katzius, you know, former Peter Field, chief of staff. Where is he now? Well, 33:50 33 minutes, 50 seconds he's the he's now the science advisor to the president and he's talking about like technologies, like strange technologies. And um, you know, this is 33:59 33 minutes, 59 seconds the um position that, you know, if you follow it down to like the 1940s, like um that's the Bush position. Vanov 34:07 34 minutes, 7 seconds Vanavar Bush is that how you pronounce it? That would been kind of like he's a successor to that, you know. So 34:15 34 minutes, 15 seconds it's very very interesting I would say what's going on at the moment and yeah it trails that line of thinking you know. Yeah, 34:22 34 minutes, 22 seconds that's that's Yeah, no, I was going to say that that's really interesting because Peter Theal and that's my I I I raised my hand on that. That's someone 34:29 34 minutes, 29 seconds that I have never really connected to the topic um personally and I find that that's kind of like eyeb eyebrow raising. So, where where does Peter 34:38 34 minutes, 38 seconds Theel kind of come in to play with all of this? What have you discovered with him that kind of makes him in your mind someone to pay attention to when it comes to this topic? 34:47 34 minutes, 47 seconds Yeah. So um he is interested in the topic and um you know he he's met with 34:55 34 minutes, 55 seconds people um around the topic before let's say uh [laughter] really okay there was there was some kind of event I 35:02 35 minutes, 2 seconds think two or three years ago um with people like I think it was possibly Gary Nolan it might might have to correct me 35:10 35 minutes, 10 seconds on that but a few other people maybe Jacqu Vetle maybe Lou as well I need to see who attended but you you you might just have to look this up online but was 35:18 35 minutes, 18 seconds kind of like hosted by Peter Phil. Um, and then you've got to look who's kind of like leading um his company in terms of the 35:26 35 minutes, 26 seconds investments and stuff. Um, is it Peterfield Capital or something like that? Well, the guy who's heading that up is Eric Weinstein. Um, again, someone 35:36 35 minutes, 36 seconds who thinks that something is up, you know. Um, I think they're deeply interested in this. I I really I I 35:44 35 minutes, 44 seconds really really do. And I think that Elon Musk is deeply interested in this as well. Um I think there's a reason why 35:51 35 minutes, 51 seconds Joe Rogan says that as well. Um I think it's all really really big at I think these people these people know a lot 35:58 35 minutes, 58 seconds more than they're letting on. I think and um Yeah. 36:02 36 minutes, 2 seconds Yeah. Super. Wow. Very interesting. Um you've opened up a whole can of worms in my head here, Chris. I'm not going to lie because now I start to think, well, 36:12 36 minutes, 12 seconds what is their interest in it? why do they have this interest level? And a Peter Theel, a a a Elon Musk who has always been kind of, you know, where 36:20 36 minutes, 20 seconds does he fall in all this? And he just kind of always gives the same line, which is, I have the most rockets in space and satellites. If there was something out there, then we would know. 36:28 36 minutes, 28 seconds Um, and I would be the first one to say it. I would tweet it out. You know, that that type of thing. That's always kind of his answer with it. But why where do 36:35 36 minutes, 35 seconds you think the interest lies for them? Is it because they know more that they're letting on and they're trying to figure out more with it? so they can use the 36:44 36 minutes, 44 seconds technology and understand it or are they just in the dark and they're trying to figure out more with it so they can understand it and use the the all the technology? 36:52 36 minutes, 52 seconds I think it might be all the above. I think it might I I really think it might be all the above. Um but yeah, I I get 37:00 37 minutes the impression that there's a lot more to it and you know, I don't see it as good or bad. I I just you know, I see it as potentially good. You know, at least something could shake it up a bit. 37:10 37 minutes, 10 seconds Um, I know there's a lot of people who think that Peter Field's involvement is bad. I can see where they're coming from. But I mean, it's just my nature 37:18 37 minutes, 18 seconds just to keep an open mind and just information. Um, so that that's what I what what I tend to do really. Um, so 37:28 37 minutes, 28 seconds yeah, if it takes us in a good direction, if it helps us out in terms of disclosure, you know, then I'd be all for it. Um, so yeah, I'd be interested 37:37 37 minutes, 37 seconds to see how this plays out. Yeah, that's what I think this is where where it takes us in terms of JD Vance's interest 37:45 37 minutes, 45 seconds perhaps. And I know that there was another guy that was running for Senate as well. I can't name again, but another 37:52 37 minutes, 52 seconds former field guy who didn't actually to become senator. I can't remember his name again, but there was article in Politico like about four years ago or so 38:00 38 minutes about kind of like um lunch like dinners that would be arranged by Peter Phil and 38:06 38 minutes, 6 seconds this guy who was running for Senate. Um and you know it was mentioned you know discussions would include UAP with all 38:16 38 minutes, 16 seconds these um kind of elites who were meeting with them. Um, so it, yeah, it's definitely of interest. I think we can say to Peterfield that he's into the UAP topic. 38:26 38 minutes, 26 seconds It's it's just like the mystery aspect for me, right? I mean, I kind of grew up in um, if I go back to high school, you know, reading like Agatha Christie, you 38:34 38 minutes, 34 seconds know, reading these mystery novels and and kind of trying to piece it together and that's where my mind really starts to spark. And I can obviously with you 38:42 38 minutes, 42 seconds as well and you try to piece these things, you try to put the puzzle together, all these where does the web lead to, right? and all these names, how 38:50 38 minutes, 50 seconds do they all play in together? Um, it's it's it's fascinating to me because there is an answer there. And the question is, how do all these names when 38:59 38 minutes, 59 seconds you start to put the pieces of the puzzle together, how do they kind of all connect and why? Right. 39:04 39 minutes, 4 seconds Yeah. Yeah. I like to think above my head like there's this like jigsaw puzzle which is ongoing above my head. There's not nothing's been decided. 39:12 39 minutes, 12 seconds Nothing, you know, it's not completed yet. It's still kind of like in motion. 39:16 39 minutes, 16 seconds It's still at play. and you're just kind of like trying to put the pieces together and you keep open-minded because you don't know which way it's going to go in. Um that's that yeah that 39:25 39 minutes, 25 seconds is really how my mind like works when it comes to this. You have to take into account you know about the way that the secrecy works as well like you know um 39:33 39 minutes, 33 seconds all these places like CIA and stuff um have liaons between each other like have liazison between CIA CIA and Department 39:43 39 minutes, 43 seconds of Energy. Um and likewise they'll have their own leaison with Congress and stuff like that. So you know and and 39:51 39 minutes, 51 seconds they work on joint missions together. I mean that is something that that we know. I mean you've only got to look at um oh gosh what's it called again? 40:01 40 minutes, 1 second Operation it was called the program was called airspace denied or something like 40:07 40 minutes, 7 seconds that. And it was an operation to um basically take out the drug trade coming 40:14 40 minutes, 14 seconds from uh like with the planes going over Peru and um Jonathan is it Jonathan Went the guy who saw the Peru crash. Yeah. 40:25 40 minutes, 25 seconds Right. 40:25 40 minutes, 25 seconds That's it. So that operation I think it was laser strike operation laser strike or laser point something like that that he was involved in um where he this 40:34 40 minutes, 34 seconds incident happened where he saw this craft. So that was part of the broader um airspace denial program which took 40:42 40 minutes, 42 seconds took place over you know many years. Um and it was like a program where you had 40:49 40 minutes, 49 seconds CIA working with different elements of the US military um and other kind of like agencies all working together 40:57 40 minutes, 57 seconds basically coordinating over it and um you know if you believe Jonathan Moran then DOE was involved as well. Um and 41:05 41 minutes, 5 seconds the interesting thing is is that so in terms of this um airspace denial 41:13 41 minutes, 13 seconds program um I think it was 1998 1999 where they working with the Peruvian Air 41:21 41 minutes, 21 seconds Force they accidentally shot down civilian plane. Um it was a big accident 41:28 41 minutes, 28 seconds and it resulted in a public inquiry basically and well an inquiry anyway I don't know if it was public but there 41:36 41 minutes, 36 seconds were is a document about it basically looking at other incidents where they've gone through the correct procedures 41:43 41 minutes, 43 seconds where they've shot something down and on the exact same month in the exact same year where um this kind of like UAP 41:53 41 minutes, 53 seconds test this UAP experience happened Jonathan Wagan. Um there is a there is a 41:59 41 minutes, 59 seconds cataloged case within the um within the report of something being shot down over Peru. Um which I find really really interesting. Sorry, I I digressed there. 42:10 42 minutes, 10 seconds But it's all about how all these things come together. You start mapping it in your in your mind, you know, and one place takes you to another place. Yeah. 42:20 42 minutes, 20 seconds Sorry. [laughter] No, I I completely identify with that. 42:24 42 minutes, 24 seconds Exactly. Right. how one thing leads to another and that's kind of my stream of consciousness as well and sometimes how these these conversations go and how one 42:32 42 minutes, 32 seconds thing you know kind of leads to another and I leave out a bunch of questions because so many other ones come up in my mind um s such as this one where and I 42:40 42 minutes, 40 seconds think last question on this topic anyway when it comes to the talk about uh aliens being demons I actually just did a whole series on this and you know I 42:49 42 minutes, 49 seconds kind of focused on the different possibilities good the bad the others and My final conclusion, just to kind of tie this together with what we're 42:57 42 minutes, 57 seconds talking about, was that in my in my humble opinion, there's no way this is just one thing. Um, some of it could be 43:05 43 minutes, 5 seconds demonic, some of it could be angelic, and some of it could be otherworldly, interdimensional, whatever you want to call it. But my read is that there's no 43:12 43 minutes, 12 seconds way that there's just this one thing that's happening that they're all demons. So on that note, what and we 43:20 43 minutes, 20 seconds talk about Peter Theel, we talk about JD Vance, we talk about anybody who maybe might want and anybody in Washington who goes with the demon theory. Is there 43:29 43 minutes, 29 seconds some reason that they would want to push that? Would there would there be a specific play 43:35 43 minutes, 35 seconds there on a on a chessboard that would say we're going to play the demon card and this is the narrative that we're going to put out from our mantle in DC. 43:45 43 minutes, 45 seconds Does this is there something that would cause that Chris do you think? 43:50 43 minutes, 50 seconds Yeah. So so so you know there there there are kind of like a bunch of options here and 43:57 43 minutes, 57 seconds like two of them is that you're either putting you're overlaying your own belief system onto 44:05 44 minutes, 5 seconds it. Um and another option is is it's real. Um I know that there was a lot of 44:11 44 minutes, 11 seconds interest um from to the stars academy in um the uh the religious texts and there 44:21 44 minutes, 21 seconds was a lot of interest innosticism as well um and the archons 44:27 44 minutes, 27 seconds [laughter] 44:28 44 minutes, 28 seconds um and the the demiier um the lower deity and um that there is 44:36 44 minutes, 36 seconds a true god out there or something like that but these archons and the demiurs are kind of like trying to keep humanity 44:44 44 minutes, 44 seconds down so that we can't like connect to that true source which is God and um it was 44:52 44 minutes, 52 seconds kind of like seeing the earth as kind of like some kind of like prison basically. 44:57 44 minutes, 57 seconds Um so I I know that there there has been that kind of like thinking going on. um what led people to think in that way. 45:05 45 minutes, 5 seconds I'm not I'm not completely sure. Um but yeah, it's it's it's really difficult to 45:13 45 minutes, 13 seconds tell because you got so many takes on this stuff, haven't you? 45:17 45 minutes, 17 seconds And I think it's one of those cases the more that you learn, the more confused you get and the more you think you may have not learned. 45:24 45 minutes, 24 seconds Yeah, it's so true. Um there's there's one really there's one angle that really kind of sticks in my head and when we 45:32 45 minutes, 32 seconds talk about uh you know how much presidents are involved, how much presidents know when it comes to the current administration under Trump and 45:40 45 minutes, 40 seconds we we you know we kind of like look at lineage, we look at connections like we do with with other administrations. 45:46 45 minutes, 46 seconds Looking at Trump's family lineage, his uncle and I know you know this and this has been a talking point out there. His uncle was a famous MIT professor. who's 45:55 45 minutes, 55 seconds a brilliant guy. Um, it said that he was the one that was in charge of grabbing the Nicola Tesla files after Tesla 46:01 46 minutes, 1 second passed away. Um, is there something there, Chris, do you think when it comes to that, you know, obviously undeniable 46:10 46 minutes, 10 seconds lineage where the president of the United States had this tenur uncle at MIT who may have had a connection to Tesla's uh technology? 46:21 46 minutes, 21 seconds Potentially. Potentially. Yeah, potentially. 46:25 46 minutes, 25 seconds um could could be something that I know that has been something of interest. I 46:33 46 minutes, 33 seconds know a bunch of people as well who say, "Oh, if Trump knew about UAP, you know, he'd tell everyone he couldn't stop yapping." But the fact is that Trump has 46:40 46 minutes, 40 seconds been read into various classified programs just due to his position in operations and stuff. And from my 46:50 46 minutes, 50 seconds understanding, I don't think he's, you know, broken any laws in terms of declassifying something that he wasn't 46:58 46 minutes, 58 seconds supposed to. Obviously, as well, he has authorization to classify any information he wants. 47:04 47 minutes, 4 seconds Um, um, or most information anyway. Um, so yeah, it's it's certainly interesting. I mean, there's there's another train of 47:12 47 minutes, 12 seconds thought as well when it comes to UAP stuff. So everyone's kind of like oh you know um they're not telling Congress the truth. 47:20 47 minutes, 20 seconds The intelligence community isn't telling the truth and stuff like that. There's another train of thinking actually say that they have told the truth to the 47:27 47 minutes, 27 seconds committees um in congress the armed services committee and the gang of eight and the um the intelligence committees 47:35 47 minutes, 35 seconds but just so happens that because of the restrictions you're under as a member of one of those committees 47:42 47 minutes, 42 seconds once they do tell you it well you know you may know the truth now aliens are real whatever you know well 47:50 47 minutes, 50 seconds you can't say anything about it because you were told and skip. If you tell anyone anything that happened in the skip, you're going you're going to get in a lot of trouble, you know. And 47:58 47 minutes, 58 seconds that's another way of looking at it, I suppose. And I don't know. I don't know. 48:03 48 minutes, 3 seconds [laughter] 48:04 48 minutes, 4 seconds It's a strange situation, isn't it? 48:05 48 minutes, 5 seconds Because now we've got the likes of Gillibbrand who seem to gone very very quiet about the UAP topic, right? So, who knows? 48:12 48 minutes, 12 seconds Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. Um, kind of on on that note, too, where do you land on Arrow, Chris? because this is something that's been obviously a hot 48:20 48 minutes, 20 seconds button issue when it comes to Arrow and you know created by Congress using taxpayer money to get to the bottom of things to give reports to to the people 48:28 48 minutes, 28 seconds and then they come out with reports under Sean Kirkpatrick and say nothing to see here and then you have new leadership and we're kind of in the same 48:36 48 minutes, 36 seconds boat right now when it comes to Arrow then we have Representative uh uh Luna who says we want to defund AROW I'm 48:43 48 minutes, 43 seconds going to work with Tim Bchett who is now heading the Doge department to defund AROW and start something else. So, it's 48:50 48 minutes, 50 seconds kind of like this big quagmire right now when it comes to Arrow and how it relates to government disclosure. Where 48:58 48 minutes, 58 seconds should we land on Arrow and where do you see all this going? Yes, it was a failure by design. um when the office of 49:07 49 minutes, 7 seconds the under secretary of defense for intelligence um and security got involved 49:14 49 minutes, 14 seconds um being the home to as it was known before it became the arrows AIMSG 49:21 49 minutes, 21 seconds um you know people were telling me you know pe people who who knew what the situation was were telling me that it 49:30 49 minutes, 30 seconds would be a death by a thousand cuts and people actually publicly were speaking about it. Chris Malum, Luande, we're all 49:37 49 minutes, 37 seconds saying it should not go with an Odin because that's the place where the the ultimate resistance is. And you know, this is a place as well that is supposed 49:46 49 minutes, 46 seconds to be protecting some of the most sensitive um special access programs and at the same time it's being told to 49:54 49 minutes, 54 seconds like be transparent about UAP. It's like where'd you land on that? Um so by by design um it seems to have just been a 50:03 50 minutes, 3 seconds failure. Um and I think when it when it comes to Odin, 50:12 50 minutes, 12 seconds you got to look at it and um there's some interesting connections there. So Gary Reid, who was the guy that, you 50:20 50 minutes, 20 seconds know, had been making Lou and Lzando's life a misery and going after him, he seemed a really really bad bad actor when it came to UAP transparency. You 50:28 50 minutes, 28 seconds know, he was kind of like I think he was like the head or very very senior in the executive committee of the AIMSG. 50:37 50 minutes, 37 seconds Um and um I mean I think that tells you a lot and and then also you kind of like 50:44 50 minutes, 44 seconds look who was one of the former acting um leaders of you know who was who was 50:52 50 minutes, 52 seconds the acting under secretary of defense for intelligence and security um who Gary Reed served under. Um well 51:01 51 minutes, 1 second that was Todd Lowry. Where's Todd Lowry now? He's at the CIA. He's the um geez deputy director of science and 51:10 51 minutes, 10 seconds technology. You've got these like connections there, you know. Um and and also you know you know we can say 51:16 51 minutes, 16 seconds Congress created the arrow simg you can go down that road but it was actually established by Kathleen Hicks 51:25 51 minutes, 25 seconds um mostly that that's where it kind of like was set up by the this body and it was coming up just as um Gillibbrand was 51:35 51 minutes, 35 seconds trying to establish um something that she wanted to call Astro and all of a sudden it gets um 51:42 51 minutes, 42 seconds gets named I aims G and um yeah basically AIMSG was already there slash 51:49 51 minutes, 49 seconds the arrow as it was now and then you know when the um when the Gillibbrand amendment was kind 51:57 51 minutes, 57 seconds of like finalized into law um the department of war was basically working out okay how can we kind of like ensure 52:05 52 minutes, 5 seconds that our new body that we've created is kind of like sticking by what Congress says in this new um in this new law. Um, 52:15 52 minutes, 15 seconds but one thing I would point out as well, you know, I recently interviewed Tim Phillips and um, I think it was a really really 52:22 52 minutes, 22 seconds interesting interview because basically he was telling me that there's stuff they can't explain in space 52:29 52 minutes, 29 seconds and um, well air you know the airspace and space itself that seems to be beyond any human known 52:37 52 minutes, 37 seconds human system. And um there was about 50 cases and they couldn't explain it. It wasn't adversary. It wasn't American 52:46 52 minutes, 46 seconds tech. And Tim basically said they had the best people with the best knowledge when it comes to kind of like identifying this and who knew what they 52:53 52 minutes, 53 seconds were talking about when it came when it came to, you know, identifiable known systems and he was just saying they couldn't work this out. Um, it felt to 53:03 53 minutes, 3 seconds me that he was, you know, he he would obviously say we had no evidence of aliens, but if he wanted to tell me something was alien, non-human without 53:11 53 minutes, 11 seconds telling me it was alien, nonhuman, he went as far as he could. Um, but I suppose it's one of those instances like 53:18 53 minutes, 18 seconds we don't know what it is unless we can track it back to a certain planet outside our solar system. We can't say that it was kind of like 53:27 53 minutes, 27 seconds extraterrestrial, you know? say I mean I think he was trying his best and um you know like I think they were just 53:34 53 minutes, 34 seconds hamstrung it was like by design basically you know he also said because I asked about Dylan Bland um because 53:40 53 minutes, 40 seconds Dylan Boland um came to Arrow with um three drawings 53:48 53 minutes, 48 seconds um two of those drawings were classified and they weren't classified by Arrow 53:55 53 minutes, 55 seconds they were classified by other agencies so Arrow hamstrong by other classification 54:02 54 minutes, 2 seconds guides. So you know CIA would have a classification guide um NGA would NRO would. So basically, you know, Arrow 54:10 54 minutes, 10 seconds would have to liaz with, you know, the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency or someone like that and say, "Look, I've been given this by a witness." And 54:19 54 minutes, 19 seconds [laughter] 54:20 54 minutes, 20 seconds basically, one of those agencies could go up and say, "Well, actually, that's classified information. You don't need to know anymore. That's classified 54:27 54 minutes, 27 seconds information." And um that meant that those details could no longer be discussed. Um which I think is really 54:35 54 minutes, 35 seconds really interesting. So again, it's just hamstrung by design, you know, what a mess. I mean, honestly, what a 54:42 54 minutes, 42 seconds mess. And and it's supremely frustrating because here you have this, you know, office, this department that's created 54:50 54 minutes, 50 seconds to do a job and it's really in reality created to not do the job, but look like 54:57 54 minutes, 57 seconds it's doing the job while not doing the job. It's it's ridiculous. Um, how far 55:04 55 minutes, 4 seconds how how close are we, Chris, to moving past things like this? How far or I should say how close do you think we are 55:11 55 minutes, 11 seconds if at all to moving away from this 1950s style 55:17 55 minutes, 17 seconds um you know like like declassification uh oh I'm sorry uh classification and 55:24 55 minutes, 24 seconds and threats and just ridiculousness where this is stuff that continues to happen playbook out you know right out of the 1950s. 55:35 55 minutes, 35 seconds Yeah. I mean, if the situation is what I think it is, what I'm told it is, it it can't go on for much longer because 55:44 55 minutes, 44 seconds China um may be making breakthroughs um in terms of engineering 55:52 55 minutes, 52 seconds um that are very alarming. um the US may be seeing certain capabilities coming out of China which do suggest they're on the verge of 56:00 56 minutes making a breakthrough have already made a breakthrough and due to like the stove piping and stuff like that and the 56:08 56 minutes, 8 seconds the fact that it's really to access these craft the US isn't making as much progress as China anymore and um from my 56:17 56 minutes, 17 seconds understanding what I've been told kind of like admitting and coming clean that they do have these exotic craft of 56:24 56 minutes, 24 seconds unknown origin. Um there's not really that much danger in terms of have those and opening up access to allow engineers 56:33 56 minutes, 33 seconds and physicists and whatnot to kind of like look at those and see if they can reverse engineer them to kind of give yourself as much of a chance as possible 56:41 56 minutes, 41 seconds and making progress because from what I've been told China, Russia and other adversaries have the same craft. you know, they may 56:50 56 minutes, 50 seconds have their own tic tacs that they've recovered um and triangles and stuff like that. So, they've already got that. 56:57 56 minutes, 57 seconds So, you're not really giving anything away by that. You know, the only thing that is really classified that should not be given up from what I've been told is the technology 57:06 57 minutes, 6 seconds um derived from, you know, reverse engineering that that that's the only stuff that should be kept absolutely classified. 57:14 57 minutes, 14 seconds So, you don't give kind of like a heads up to your competition, let's say. Sure. 57:19 57 minutes, 19 seconds Um, just real quick, I want to go back to what you said about your interview with with Tim Phillips. You know, he talks about how they found these like 50 different anomalies that they couldn't 57:26 57 minutes, 26 seconds explain other than we didn't create them. No one on Earth created them. So, you kind of make your conclusion from there. Um, unless I missed it, why 57:35 57 minutes, 35 seconds wasn't that put out more by the department? I mean, they just make that discovery. They they they understand that's the case and then they just don't tell anybody. 57:45 57 minutes, 45 seconds Yeah. So, from my understanding, um the the acting head of Arrow 57:52 57 minutes, 52 seconds has put that out um when he had his hearing I think two years ago, okay, 58:00 58 minutes with Jill Brand's committee. However, he didn't put in those words. Um, we've already got we've already got this guy 58:08 58 minutes, 8 seconds Tim Finet coming out and saying that um they've seen triangles um that they can't explain. Fireballs 58:17 58 minutes, 17 seconds um stuff like that basically like fiery orbs basically they can't explain stuff that's you know hovering and goes 58:26 58 minutes, 26 seconds immediately off. Stuff like that basically that they they really really have a problem trying to explain. Um so 58:33 58 minutes, 33 seconds so yeah we we understand that is out there. Um but yeah it should 58:41 58 minutes, 41 seconds be a bigger deal. You know it really really should be a bigger deal because this is supposedly one of the chief skeptics coming out and saying that you 58:47 58 minutes, 47 seconds know we got it in the Daily Mail but um it only makes a bigger splash if you can make it a big splash I suppose. So um but I thought it was a really really big 58:56 58 minutes, 56 seconds deal that someone like him was coming up to say that. Um, so I think it's Yeah, I think it's a pretty good story. 59:04 59 minutes, 4 seconds I would say so. Um, I I I agree. I'll get you out of here on this, Chris. This has been uh First off, thank you again for doing this, spending all this time. 59:13 59 minutes, 13 seconds I can probably Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I could probably do this for another two or three hours with you. So, um, may maybe we can just agree real quick that we can do this again in the future 59:21 59 minutes, 21 seconds because I would Yeah, I would love to have you back on. 59:23 59 minutes, 23 seconds Um, which I appreciate. But before we're done, I just a general kind of idea 59:30 59 minutes, 30 seconds based off of your experiences maybe recently or even over the past few years. Who are the good actors in this 59:39 59 minutes, 39 seconds space behind the scenes that are willing that want to help that want to get the stuff out there? And who are the bad actors that want to keep this stuff 59:47 59 minutes, 47 seconds behind the scenes? And you can name names if you want. You just or go by departments. Um in power, out of power, they used to be in power. Who comes to 59:55 59 minutes, 55 seconds mind when it comes to those two sides, pro- disclosure, anti-disclosure? 1:00:01 1 hour, 1 second Oh, it's so tough to tell. I mean, some people will tell you that James Clapper is a really bad guy. Um, 1:00:11 1 hour, 11 seconds and um, others will say, "He's trying the best he can." Um, it's really difficult. There's always 1:00:18 1 hour, 18 seconds these blurred lines and stuff. And I try I try never to judge, you know. All I try to do is like my job is to 1:00:27 1 hour, 27 seconds look at information, try to corroborate information, weigh information whether it's good or bad. Um, and I have to take 1:00:34 1 hour, 34 seconds everything into consideration. So that's what I'm trying to do. And and I think that the one element that hasn't 1:00:42 1 hour, 42 seconds really been discussed enough when it comes to this stuff is the financial aspect, hedge funds, uh kind of like shadow banking, let's say. 1:00:53 1 hour, 53 seconds Um and I think um you know like someone of real high authority once told 1:01:01 1 hour, 1 minute, 1 second me over launch um in London to um to read Joseph Farrell um which I think his 1:01:08 1 hour, 1 minute, 8 seconds book is like secret space programs um something along those lines. And it's basically about how there's like 1:01:16 1 hour, 1 minute, 16 seconds breakaway civilizations and stuff um that came back after World War II um like the Nazis had a you know incredibly 1:01:26 1 hour, 1 minute, 26 seconds high tech um high technology basically and um they had a really good counterfeiting 1:01:33 1 hour, 1 minute, 33 seconds operation as well and they could just like create cash basically [laughter] and um from my from from what Joseph 1:01:41 1 hour, 1 minute, 41 seconds Farrell was saying that they form one breakaway civilization. 1:01:46 1 hour, 1 minute, 46 seconds The other one is kind of like an Anglo kind of American breaker civilization involved in banking and aerospace. And 1:01:54 1 hour, 1 minute, 54 seconds then there's also like a Japanese element as well. 1:01:57 1 hour, 1 minute, 57 seconds Um and that came about through the um the gold that Joseph Ferrell says was 1:02:05 1 hour, 2 minutes, 5 seconds discovered in China. The Japanese went rampaging through China and they found more gold than was actually known to 1:02:12 1 hour, 2 minutes, 12 seconds exist. So basically such gold has you know it's I think Danny Sheen has even touched upon it was like found by the 1:02:19 1 hour, 2 minutes, 19 seconds CIA and it's never been put on the books because if you suddenly flooded the market with gold it just so so so 1:02:25 1 hour, 2 minutes, 25 seconds basically it's um it's about those break civilizations and how they kind of like 1:02:33 1 hour, 2 minutes, 33 seconds are funding their own kind of like exotic tech based on UAP technology and that's the real gain of it 1:02:40 1 hour, 2 minutes, 40 seconds basically. I'm really interested in that. And you've kind of like got really really weird cases that Joseph Frell gives like bearer bonds for instance, 1:02:48 1 hour, 2 minutes, 48 seconds you know. Um it's like these bonds that are like worth like billions of dollars. Like 1:02:56 1 hour, 2 minutes, 56 seconds there's a case I think you could look for I think it was 2012. 1:03:00 1 hour, 3 minutes There was like um a case in Italy. two Japanese um men boarded a train from Italy to um 1:03:08 1 hour, 3 minutes, 8 seconds Switzerland and um the Italian authorities arrested them um because 1:03:15 1 hour, 3 minutes, 15 seconds they were found with a suitcase with bonds, US bonds like worth billions, like hundreds of billions. 1:03:23 1 hour, 3 minutes, 23 seconds Jeez. Um and um what happened was that um the the US Secret Service um 1:03:32 1 hour, 3 minutes, 32 seconds investigated it and then like a few weeks afterwards they said there's nothing to it. It's fine. [laughter] 1:03:40 1 hour, 3 minutes, 40 seconds They're like forging it or something like that and it just kind of like went away. It was just like a really really 1:03:46 1 hour, 3 minutes, 46 seconds weird case, you know. And um I I I I think you have to kind of like look at 1:03:55 1 hour, 3 minutes, 55 seconds the wider picture, you know, when it comes to this. What really happened after the Second World War? Did the Nazis or someone make contact with a 1:04:04 1 hour, 4 minutes, 4 seconds nonhuman species perhaps? Um is that why Project Paperclip end until like you 1:04:12 1 hour, 4 minutes, 12 seconds know like John F. Kennedy took office, which was when he closed down the office overseeing um paperclip. Um so, so 1:04:19 1 hour, 4 minutes, 19 seconds you've got all these theories, and I'm not saying they're accurate. I'm just saying that I keep an open mind when it comes to this because I just find it 1:04:28 1 hour, 4 minutes, 28 seconds really, really interesting. And you don't know what you don't know. What's classified is classified for a reason. 1:04:33 1 hour, 4 minutes, 33 seconds So, yeah. Wow. No, absolutely. You kind of just blew my mind there at the end there, Chris. I mean, do do you think someone, you know, we talk about names like that, like JP Morgan Chase, the 1:04:42 1 hour, 4 minutes, 42 seconds Rockefellers, or now nowadays like Black Rockck, are we talking like that type of level of money and influence? 1:04:51 1 hour, 4 minutes, 51 seconds Yeah. Yeah. It's it's strange. I I remember like like I think it came, you know, when all 1:04:59 1 hour, 4 minutes, 59 seconds the um US A stuff came out and it was something about I think it was like Scientific 1:05:06 1 hour, 5 minutes, 6 seconds American or something. I think that's how I got down this rabbit hole. 1:05:09 1 hour, 5 minutes, 9 seconds [laughter] Scientific American um for example, the publishing company that owns Scientific American obviously 1:05:18 1 hour, 5 minutes, 18 seconds Patrick has written for them and people like that you know that publisher was one of like it was a publisher that 1:05:27 1 hour, 5 minutes, 27 seconds was is German and it came about you know throughout the Nazi years. Um I don't want to get myself in trouble or 1:05:35 1 hour, 5 minutes, 35 seconds anything but from my understanding it was connected to Nazi materials being published. 1:05:39 1 hour, 5 minutes, 39 seconds And um you know it wasn't like these companies that were involved in the Nazis and stuff were shut down 1:05:47 1 hour, 5 minutes, 47 seconds immediately after the war. You know they're still going. [laughter] These companies are the industrialists and stuff like that. So I I think you've got 1:05:55 1 hour, 5 minutes, 55 seconds to look at kind of like this kind of like area. I think it's really really interesting um to look at. 1:06:03 1 hour, 6 minutes, 3 seconds Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, I mean I've I've always said if there's questions follow the money. Um, and I think you're absolutely on to something 1:06:11 1 hour, 6 minutes, 11 seconds there. Uh, Christopher Sharp, this has been just fantastic. Again, if you haven't read his stuff, check out uh the Liberation Times. Check out the work 1:06:20 1 hour, 6 minutes, 20 seconds he's done with the Daily Mail. Um, you do a great job, buddy. And this has been amazing, and I do hope we can do it again soon. Thanks so much for spending all this time here today on UAP. 1:06:30 1 hour, 6 minutes, 30 seconds Absolutely, brother. Thank you so much for having me on. Yeah, thank you. Cheers.