0:01 1 second Well, happy to have him join the show here for the first time. Ron Vernett, renowned UAP researcher and founder of UAP Brazil.com. Uh, Ron, great to have 0:10 10 seconds you on the show. I followed your work for a long time and I'm really happy to have you on here. So, thanks for coming on. 0:16 16 seconds Thank you. U sorry to not make it happen before, but I think finally we can met and I think it'll be a great 0:24 24 seconds conversation for your audience. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to it because you're covering a lot of things that are happening in South America, specifically 0:33 33 seconds Brazil, uh, where you are. And I think, well, this is actually the point I want to start off with here, Ron, is that, um, and this isn't to knock on anybody 0:42 42 seconds because I do it as well. I I think we're all guilty of this. We focus a lot on what's happening in the United States. 0:49 49 seconds Um, that dominates the news cycle when it comes to the UFO discussion. We focus on on Europe. There are things that happen in Europe that we end up talking about and sometimes there are things we 0:58 58 seconds do focus on in Brazil, namely Varia, which we'll get to later on. But you do, I think, my my opinion the best job out 1:06 1 minute, 6 seconds there as far as a researcher goes in really bringing people what's happening uh in South America and it doesn't get enough coverage and that's that's why I 1:15 1 minute, 15 seconds wanted to bring you on here today because there's some really important things that are worth very much worth people hearing about. So, um, kind of 1:24 1 minute, 24 seconds starting off with something that that you've been covering, Heroni, that happened in 2008. 1:30 1 minute, 30 seconds Um, before we get into before we get into that real quick, does it do you agree with that? Do you think that we don't pay attention enough to South 1:37 1 minute, 37 seconds America that there is a lot that happens where you are that people don't hear about enough? 1:43 1 minute, 43 seconds Yeah. And people often say, "Oh, this phenomena only happens in the US." Because it's right. uh the the US 1:52 1 minute, 52 seconds incidents dominates the news. I think the the US Congress are doing a pretty good job and bringing more and more 1:59 1 minute, 59 seconds attention. This is one of the reasons why this people think about that. We also have the movies, the culture, the 2:06 2 minutes, 6 seconds pop culture and all this brings to us to become the center of these conversations. But uh I think we have 2:14 2 minutes, 14 seconds great job for example from Americans doing coverage of Brazilian incidents like James Fox for example. James Fox brought 2:22 2 minutes, 22 seconds the Virgin incident to to the US public and worldwide public and I think we're starting to bro to break this this this 2:30 2 minutes, 30 seconds paradigm this paradigm shifts to to start to investigate more and know more about the Brazilian incidents because in Brazil we have a lot of cases of close 2:39 2 minutes, 39 seconds encounters between militaries and uh including beings that we discussed today. So I think Brazil can contribute 2:47 2 minutes, 47 seconds a lot and I I'm starting right now is doing this connections to try to bring some military from Brazil to US Congress 2:56 2 minutes, 56 seconds and other people that US that can help us to merge and bring this conversation together Brazil and US. 3:03 3 minutes, 3 seconds That's really interesting. I want to hang on to that thought um because you know you mentioned the things that happened with the military and that's 3:10 3 minutes, 10 seconds what I find so um compelling with some of these cases out of Brazil specifically what's been happening over 3:18 3 minutes, 18 seconds the past few weeks that hasn't really gotten a lot of coverage like we said out of Brazil where you have military officials talking about an event that 3:28 3 minutes, 28 seconds happened uh 18 years ago 2008 where they had over 20 different sightings that were pursued, correct me if I'm wrong, 3:36 3 minutes, 36 seconds that were pursued by the military. So, what did you find out about this and what has been said recently by these 3:43 3 minutes, 43 seconds military commanders or military officials who are actually coming out to say this happened? 3:51 3 minutes, 51 seconds Yeah. Uh a few years ago, we had some obtained some documents. Uh who obtained was the Brazilian researcher at Sombo 3:59 3 minutes, 59 seconds Ventura together with entpreneur named La Miguel. They are from the same state of Virginia incidents. It's not Virginia 4:07 4 minutes, 7 seconds but cloud is name of the city. Okay. Uh and this incident didn't happen in 1996 but very recently in 20 years ago in 4:17 4 minutes, 17 seconds 2008 okay uh so a few years ago maybe four years ago we obtained documentation 4:25 4 minutes, 25 seconds official from the military saying okay we chased not only anomalous phenomena but also beings 4:33 4 minutes, 33 seconds uh in in 26 occurrence not one or two incidents is isolated 26 six occurrence. 4:40 4 minutes, 40 seconds This is crazy. And not one or two military but dozens of military. And not only the military police because in Brazil is different 4:48 4 minutes, 48 seconds from US. The Bra the police in Brazil is military is a state police but all state police are directly directly respond to 4:57 4 minutes, 57 seconds the Brazilian army. So they they respond to the military chain of armed forces commander. Um so this is difference for 5:06 5 minutes, 6 seconds your audience to understand or the public understand. Uh so not only with police military police but also air 5:13 5 minutes, 13 seconds force was involved the army was involved because when the military police encounter something anomalous they need 5:20 5 minutes, 20 seconds to respond to the hierarchy superior for for them that's the military that's the army that's the air force and these 5:29 5 minutes, 29 seconds officials from the army from the air force start to inquire the military police and start to to get all the 5:36 5 minutes, 36 seconds photos get all the materials uh and literally steal the material from 5:43 5 minutes, 43 seconds them. So this is what happened in Brazil and the phenomena here in the in in this incidents they they like it. They have a 5:52 5 minutes, 52 seconds curious uh operation, a curious behavior of stay above the church of the city. 6:00 6 minutes It's like it wanted people to look at it. It wanted military to look at it and maybe wanted to make some connection 6:08 6 minutes, 8 seconds between religious things and and these UFOs. Maybe to maybe they are religious 6:16 6 minutes, 16 seconds from religious people vision but maybe they are just pretending to be connected to religion connected to Catholics for 6:25 6 minutes, 25 seconds example because it was a Catholic church and after that the military started to chase this phenomena. The phenomena ran 6:34 6 minutes, 34 seconds away to the rural area for the for the more isolated area in the city. Uh and 6:41 6 minutes, 41 seconds they at that place more isolated start to appear beings. 6:45 6 minutes, 45 seconds Uh how these beings were they were luminous beings. It's it was like grays 6:52 6 minutes, 52 seconds with black eyes but totally luminous and they didn't have hands or feet. They 6:59 6 minutes, 59 seconds were they were three feet tall. Very small indeed. And they floated like half 7:07 7 minutes, 7 seconds had 3 ft from the ground. Uh sometimes uh 6 ft from the ground but above the 7:15 7 minutes, 15 seconds the plantations that they they had there. They they have sugar cane plantations in this place a lot and they were floating above the sugar 7:23 7 minutes, 23 seconds plantations and the military were chasing them in many situations. Now, real quick, just on that on that point, 7:29 7 minutes, 29 seconds Ronnie, real quick, this information, where was the I just just want people to understand this. This this information that you're uh telling us about came 7:38 7 minutes, 38 seconds directly from the military witnesses. Am I right about that? 7:43 7 minutes, 43 seconds Yeah. The first report was uh written by the commander uh there that and ironically the name of 7:51 7 minutes, 51 seconds this commander is Eisenhower. Oh. which is the US president that many people says that was connected to beings and a lot of stories about that. 7:59 7 minutes, 59 seconds Wow. And what I always say is that this phenomena have it can be good or bad or evil or neutral 8:07 8 minutes, 7 seconds whatever but it has uh a lot of humor sense sense of humor because the phenomena could choose many 8:16 8 minutes, 16 seconds military around the world many military in Brazil and they choose the commander Eisenhower in Brazil 8:23 8 minutes, 23 seconds to to to appear for him. So uh it's unbelievable and and this military is a grandson of a German. So this is because 8:33 8 minutes, 33 seconds his name is Eisenhower which is a German uh root name and this report also was written by Aenhab this commander. Okay. 8:43 8 minutes, 43 seconds Okay. And it it's it it it was unbelievable because it was the first time that a commander 8:50 8 minutes, 50 seconds uh was at the time he was a tenant, a first tenant and he written the report, okay, we chased beings. 9:01 9 minutes, 1 second Wow. And not only that he he written in he he wrote in the report that 9:06 9 minutes, 6 seconds the beings also messed with his mind his mind and mind of his colleagues. Uh he 9:14 9 minutes, 14 seconds was not able to carry the gun to point the gun to the beings. Uh sometimes the beings were not didn't appear simply 9:22 9 minutes, 22 seconds didn't appear in the camera. They fear uh they they felt a lot of uh unbalance. 9:30 9 minutes, 30 seconds They felt dizziness. They felt a lot of physiological effects when these beings were close to them. And the beings were 9:38 9 minutes, 38 seconds even able to create things that are are not were not physically there. For example, uh the 9:46 9 minutes, 46 seconds military were chasing the beings and the beings created in the mind of the the military the illusion that a lake was there, a big lake. Wow. 9:54 9 minutes, 54 seconds But physically there was not any lake there. It was only to the military stop the car and and not be able to continue 10:03 10 minutes, 3 seconds the the the chasing the beings. So and then this written in this report. 10:09 10 minutes, 9 seconds I don't think I've ever heard of that before. Have have you just just real quick on that detail about uh making the the military see 10:18 10 minutes, 18 seconds something that's not there so they essentially slow down in their chase. 10:22 10 minutes, 22 seconds Have you ever I've never heard of a detail like that before where they're being shown something um an illusion that is just simply not there. 10:31 10 minutes, 31 seconds I don't think I've ever heard that. 10:32 10 minutes, 32 seconds So the so the beings were able to put in the mind of the military everything they wanted. Wow. 10:39 10 minutes, 39 seconds And and uh I I translated this report to English. I can send you so you can pass also to your your audience. 10:47 10 minutes, 47 seconds Yeah. uh and this the first report where you have directly the military saying we had contact with beings. We had 10:54 10 minutes, 54 seconds physiological effects emanating not only from the phenomena but also with the beings. The cur thing is that the phenomena not beings but the phenomena 11:02 11 minutes, 2 seconds the lights uh were able to turn off all the lights of the city. The the lights 11:09 11 minutes, 9 seconds were also able to stop the car of the military. The car simply didn't work when the light was closed. So we had 11:17 11 minutes, 17 seconds electromagnetic effects and they also have physiological effects in the body of the military and it's all written in this report and this is the first time 11:25 11 minutes, 25 seconds as I said that we have physiological electromagnetic uh effects and beings also witnessed directed by the military and written in 11:34 11 minutes, 34 seconds a report because [snorts] we have a lot of testimonies have a lot of uh conversations but not official documentation and this is official 11:41 11 minutes, 41 seconds military documentation saying that and I think this never happened in the world in any any incident? No. 11:47 11 minutes, 47 seconds And the this military was very courageous because he was at the beginning of his career in the military police. Uh the the military police 11:57 11 minutes, 57 seconds itself was very courageous to release it. And I think I understand why they released it because the air force made them to do things that they didn't want. 12:08 12 minutes, 8 seconds They practically humiliated this military police uh inquiring them. Give me all everything you want. No, this is 12:16 12 minutes, 16 seconds for me. For example, this photo is my particular equipment no matter what. Give me your equipment. It's mine now. 12:24 12 minutes, 24 seconds So, uh I think the military police was not happy with with all that happened. 12:29 12 minutes, 29 seconds [snorts] And maybe this is one of the reasons why the military was able to to release this report to the public through the freedom Brazilian freedom of 12:38 12 minutes, 38 seconds information access u and responded to this researcher my friend at Sombo. So 12:46 12 minutes, 46 seconds this happened four years ago. It was released. This case from 2008. And right now all the military decided to speak 12:56 12 minutes, 56 seconds about it because the report was released. But any military wanted to to to speak about that. Afraid for for his 13:03 13 minutes, 3 seconds careers, afraid to not be promoted. All the things we we we know. But now all this military decided to come forward. 13:11 13 minutes, 11 seconds at least seven military including a lieutenant commander. Uh which which is also something unprecedented because the 13:19 13 minutes, 19 seconds last commander and the only one commander that came forward to talk about closing counters was Landa from the operation saucer in 1997. 13:29 13 minutes, 29 seconds So and right after that he committed suicide. Until these days we don't know if it was a suicide. I believe it was but we have some questions because you 13:38 13 minutes, 38 seconds know how people are treated when they talk about that and right now u we have 13:45 13 minutes, 45 seconds this these testimony from this lieutenant commander together with all these other military uh sergeants and 13:53 13 minutes, 53 seconds master sergeants and privates and all all class of officials that are coming forward with him to say okay yes we we 14:00 14 minutes you chased this phenomena and these beings And right now we're trying to give voice to this military to 14:08 14 minutes, 8 seconds to to speak more about it. It's it's I mean it's an incredible story. It should be this is a story that should be all 14:17 14 minutes, 17 seconds over the place. I I think I mean that's why I'm so happy I got to talk to you about it today and bring you on to talk about this because um I'm not seeing a 14:25 14 minutes, 25 seconds lot of coverage on this and I feel like it should be spoken about everywhere because here we have uh multiple 14:32 14 minutes, 32 seconds military officials with I think correct me if I'm wrong everything to lose and nothing to gain by talking about this. 14:40 14 minutes, 40 seconds Um, you know, like you said, you know, they have to worry about same thing US military members or or agency members have to worry about losing their jobs, 14:48 14 minutes, 48 seconds losing pension, losing promotions, uh, losing their life, quite frankly, um, you know, threats to family and to 14:55 14 minutes, 55 seconds themselves. These are all things that we see over and over again with these intimidation tactics. And I I think from 15:02 15 minutes, 2 seconds what you're saying, they're at risk for the same things, but they're coming out to talk about it about this incredible 15:08 15 minutes, 8 seconds incident that is almost like Roswell and Rendlessham mixed together. I don't know how else to put it, where you have these 15:17 15 minutes, 17 seconds these sightings. I think you said 26 um 26 different sightings and you have beings coming down with craft luminous beings that are floating above the 15:26 15 minutes, 26 seconds ground. eyewitness testimony of military officials chasing these things. They're stopped. They can't shoot. They have 15:33 15 minutes, 33 seconds these illusions in front of them. This is something out of a movie, Rooney. And these people are talking about it, saying that this really happened. That 15:41 15 minutes, 41 seconds not only did they have a close encounter with a craft, but they had a close encounter with a being that they were completely and totally powerless against. I mean, I think I got all that. 15:51 15 minutes, 51 seconds So, I mean, how should people react to this? 15:55 15 minutes, 55 seconds Yeah. A and it's not I I didn't terminate yet because it was also the first time when this commander it was 16:02 16 minutes, 2 seconds happened just one month ago. This commander came in official event of the police. This this lieutenant commander 16:09 16 minutes, 9 seconds is retiring right now this year and and this event was u change of command 16:16 16 minutes, 16 seconds because he was a commander and he was passing the the command to a to another official uh so he could retire uh later 16:24 16 minutes, 24 seconds this year. So in this official event he was able to do a speech uh and in this 16:32 16 minutes, 32 seconds speech he talked about yes it was real the nonhuman intelligence is here we 16:39 16 minutes, 39 seconds chased them we was very courageous because the people were calling the police to get help because these beings were affecting these people in small 16:47 16 minutes, 47 seconds communities uh and the people was asking for the police help. These beings are here everywhere in the small in small 16:54 16 minutes, 54 seconds villages there. Uh not in this in the downtown city but in the rural areas the more far uh locations of the city. Uh 17:03 17 minutes, 3 seconds and the military was very courageous. We pursued them. We are not the only intelligent beings here. They were also 17:10 17 minutes, 10 seconds humanoids. We chase it then and this was in military uniform in official military event in front of his commander at Colonel in front of his all these 17:19 17 minutes, 19 seconds colleagues. So this is unprecedented in the world and this is why I'm putting a lot of effort to try to contact 17:27 17 minutes, 27 seconds everything I can to talk about and to bring this military police to the Brazilian Congress to US Congress and 17:35 17 minutes, 35 seconds all people that are interested to interview them. And as you said this the he this commander mainly other military 17:42 17 minutes, 42 seconds also but this commander mainly because he's the commander he's very courageous because when he retires he's he 17:49 17 minutes, 49 seconds continues to receive payment from the government. So the government can make any excuse to remove the payment from 17:56 17 minutes, 56 seconds him. We know this can happen. Uh it happened with David Grush in order for example. Um, so his guy is is is is just 18:05 18 minutes, 5 seconds saying I need to tell the truth no matter what can happen with me and and this is unprecedented. 18:14 18 minutes, 14 seconds Sorry, I lo I lost your last question. 18:16 18 minutes, 16 seconds No, no, no, no. That's okay because I was I was just thinking about, you know, how should people react to this? How should people take this? Because this is 18:24 18 minutes, 24 seconds something to paint the picture. the video is out there and I'll try to share it as we put this episode out um just on social media to share the video that I 18:32 18 minutes, 32 seconds know you have on your page as well on on uh X and this is an official like you said this was like an official ceremony 18:39 18 minutes, 39 seconds and I I think it seems like he didn't tell anybody who was going to do this was this just like hey here's this ceremony I'm handing over the reigns oh 18:47 18 minutes, 47 seconds and by the way all this is real we chased aliens and I'm telling you all about it is that I mean that's pretty much how would it happen? He just like 18:56 18 minutes, 56 seconds dropped this on everybody without any warning. 19:00 19 minutes Uh I think yes. I don't think he made he any any alerts to people. Oh, I'm I'm 19:08 19 minutes, 8 seconds I'm willing to talk about this in this event. He just came there and did this speech. Uh and I think people were very 19:17 19 minutes, 17 seconds surprised with this speech. And this is so unbelievable that when I posted in my Instagram and it gave almost a million 19:25 19 minutes, 25 seconds of views in Instagram, half of the people said this is AI because it's so unbelievable, right? 19:33 19 minutes, 33 seconds Uh and this is not AI guys. This is real. This is a fact. military coming forward and he's coming forward with many many details that will shock 19:42 19 minutes, 42 seconds because as I said it was 26 uh occurrence many many profound experiences happening with this military 19:49 19 minutes, 49 seconds it was like the phenomena wanted them to be the guys to spread the word wanted this military to to to live the 19:58 19 minutes, 58 seconds experience I don't think it's not a coincidence that this military was choose because 20:05 20 minutes, 5 seconds u n I can guarantee you that 99% of the military that commanders that passed 20:11 20 minutes, 11 seconds through the experience, it was uh uh it it it would choose to stay silent about 20:18 20 minutes, 18 seconds that because you know the stigma, you know, the problems that they can pass and I think the phenomenon choose exactly the right military because I 20:28 20 minutes, 28 seconds think the phenomenon is is intelligent enough to to see in the near future and to predict or to know I don't know But 20:36 20 minutes, 36 seconds to know that this military would 20 20 years after the events start to to to talk about that and this is incredible 20:45 20 minutes, 45 seconds because the military is retiring right now in 2026 exactly here where the President Trump is talking about that 20:52 20 minutes, 52 seconds Jans and the Congress and all these timelines are shifting merging together and I don't think this is a coincidence. 21:00 21 minutes I I I'm with you. Um, it feels like that convergence is maybe the path that may who knows maybe it was a path that was set and we don't even know. I know I'm 21:08 21 minutes, 8 seconds getting a little met, you know, like metaphysical there, but it's it's worth considering because, you know, this this topic is incredible enough on its own. 21:16 21 minutes, 16 seconds Um, and it's just it's it's just an unbelievable occurrence, Rooney, because when we talk about this, am I getting the title right? He was a lieutenant 21:24 21 minutes, 24 seconds colonel that came out to this. So he will retire as a colono. Watch the top rank of the military police. The 21:33 21 minutes, 33 seconds military army can go to generals and the military policees they top are the colonos. 21:38 21 minutes, 38 seconds Okay. So basically he's top top of the top. He's like yeah top top of the food chain if you will. And this is a guy that again 21:46 21 minutes, 46 seconds everything to lose but he comes out total shock to everyone and says this did happen in 2008 and here's how we experienced it. And so I mention that 21:55 21 minutes, 55 seconds again because it can't be um overstated really like imagine if we try to analogize that to something that 22:02 22 minutes, 2 seconds happened in the United States. Think about a top general. Think about a um maybe maybe the attorney general of of 22:10 22 minutes, 10 seconds the Department of Justice. I don't know something like that. Some top government or military official to come out at the retirement party and say or maybe like 22:19 22 minutes, 19 seconds Marco Rubio, okay? like, you know, Secretary of State to come out and say, "Thanks for everything. It's been my pleasure to serve you. Oh, and by the way, this happened." I mean, that that's 22:28 22 minutes, 28 seconds essentially what took place. Um, I guess what, about a month ago or so, or or a couple months ago, uh, in Brazil with 22:35 22 minutes, 35 seconds this lieutenant colonel. And now we have this story that is just sitting out there where you have military officials 22:43 22 minutes, 43 seconds including a colonel at retirement who are willing, not only willing but have spoken about what they have seen. And I 22:51 22 minutes, 51 seconds guess the question is what's next? I mean, how do we continue to get the word out there about this story for people to realize just how monumental this is? 23:03 23 minutes, 3 seconds uh this military four of the military already gave partial testimonies. They didn't talk everything they know because 23:12 23 minutes, 12 seconds there are some profound details that they think that if they say the complete testimony people will say that they are 23:20 23 minutes, 20 seconds completely crazy. So they just give the testimony about the parts that are more uh easy for people to digest. Um this 23:30 23 minutes, 30 seconds lieutenant colon as I said is have retiring this year. I talked with of him and he said for me that we will able to 23:37 23 minutes, 37 seconds speak more when he retires uh because the same reason he has many many profound details that he did don't don't 23:46 23 minutes, 46 seconds want to to speak right now he because he knows how this onlogical shock uh but 23:53 23 minutes, 53 seconds he'll be able soon to give interviews to the TV for podcast and so on to the congress and I'm I'm trying to talk with 24:01 24 minutes, 1 second everyone to spread at this word and because it's very serious and I think 24:08 24 minutes, 8 seconds we'll be able to do soon an uh public hearing at least in Brazil maybe also in US if they want uh with this military 24:18 24 minutes, 18 seconds because it will be the first time in in Brazil that have a a a real public hearing with military because the past 24:25 24 minutes, 25 seconds ones we only had the researchers and the politicians but this would be a real one and the first one when they say I'm um a 24:35 24 minutes, 35 seconds direct test that's witnesses firsthand witness of of encounters with beings. So this will be unprecedented. Yeah. And I 24:43 24 minutes, 43 seconds think what makes this different is you know at least from and not to take anything away from the whistleblowers and the witnesses here who have come out. We all know who they are as far as 24:52 24 minutes, 52 seconds who has testified in front of Congress or or otherwise who have come out to say I worked on programs or I know people who worked on programs. Um, but that's 25:01 25 minutes, 1 second kind of where it ends, right? They talk about maybe what they were told about what was being worked on, whether that's reverse engineering or we have bodies 25:09 25 minutes, 9 seconds stored away somewhere. But this is the first time, and I think this is what makes this really unique and really important, is that this is the first 25:15 25 minutes, 15 seconds time where you have official military members or police who are coming out to say, not only do we know this this 25:24 25 minutes, 24 seconds happened, but we experienced it, and here's what we saw. um in in this official manner. So, this is, you know, 25:32 25 minutes, 32 seconds maybe I'm forgetting something. Um and I'm sure there's been other maybe a couple of other occurrences where we can compare and contrast, but this feels 25:40 25 minutes, 40 seconds like a really big moment where you have these official military personnel to come out and say this did happen and we 25:47 25 minutes, 47 seconds chased these beings and we saw these craft. Um what are the 26 Ron? We say 20 different 26 different occurrences or 25:55 25 minutes, 55 seconds sightings. How do we classify the the 26 that that you're mentioning? 26:00 26 minutes 26 days of of operations. Um 26 calls that the population in 26 different days 26:07 26 minutes, 7 seconds the population asked for the military to act. So it happened through the November to December almost two months in these 26:15 26 minutes, 15 seconds 26 events uh of 2008 and they experienced three types of beings. The 26:23 26 minutes, 23 seconds first one is like a gray being big head with black eyes but totally luminous uh totally luminous and floating. The 26:32 26 minutes, 32 seconds the other one was 6t tall, 7t tall like this small one that was 3 ft but 6 feet 26:39 26 minutes, 39 seconds to 7t tall also luminous with black eyes. And the third one, uh, what is also crazy is that the third one was 26:48 26 minutes, 48 seconds brown with red eyes and three uh, uh, parts of the the head like the Virginia being. Yeah, exactly. 26:56 26 minutes, 56 seconds And they also encountered one of these beings there. And so maybe we have a connection. We have more data. We can do 27:03 27 minutes, 3 seconds a connection between Virginia that happened in 1996 and this case in 2008. Yeah, that's that's really fascinating. 27:11 27 minutes, 11 seconds And I did not know that part where they saw the same type of being that was described in the Vargia incident in 1996. The brown skin, the red eyes, the 27:19 27 minutes, 19 seconds three kind of parts on the head. Um, that's and he said that this brown brown uh 27:25 27 minutes, 25 seconds this brown being was uh four to five feet tall. It was the height that the commander said to me. Yeah. 27:33 27 minutes, 33 seconds Yeah. And that again matching the the description there of what we heard before in the past. Um, are we talking about It sounds like 27:41 27 minutes, 41 seconds Ronnie, we're talking about tall grays and short grays. I mean, just if we're trying to categorize these things, it sounds like we're talking about tall and 27:49 27 minutes, 49 seconds short grays. They match the descriptions that we've heard from experiencers and um abductees and researchers. Uh, but the thing that makes it different is the 27:58 27 minutes, 58 seconds luminous description. Do we have any I mean, do you have any idea why they would appear as as luminous? 28:07 28 minutes, 7 seconds Um it it was like it was the same effect. It was like the beings were 28:13 28 minutes, 13 seconds using the same effect these objects the phenomena the UFOs do become luminous to 28:21 28 minutes, 21 seconds uh to cloak to have antgravity and so on. So maybe this these beings were using the same uh devices. But this is a 28:29 28 minutes, 29 seconds materialistic view. I have a uh some nomater materialistic view also that maybe this phenomena can appear in any 28:36 28 minutes, 36 seconds form or any shape that you want but the patterns are the same. So he can appear like a luminous vehicle or luminous 28:45 28 minutes, 45 seconds being whatever. Um so so maybe the craft itself it's something alive. It's some hypothesis that we we can put. 28:55 28 minutes, 55 seconds Wow. Wow. Wow. I mean, and I don't know. I what I'm curious is um these are different types of 29:03 29 minutes, 3 seconds phenomena or the different aspects of manifestations of the same phenomena, different shapes of the same phenomena 29:12 29 minutes, 12 seconds or for example, multiple factions. These luminous gray beings were here because of the brown ones. Um and they they are 29:21 29 minutes, 21 seconds not friends. Uh so I I'm curious to talk with the commander if he was able to get any any data about that because as I 29:29 29 minutes, 29 seconds said they had psychic connections with these beings and maybe they re they received images in the head or messages 29:37 29 minutes, 37 seconds and something like that that that can clarify some kind of operation that they were doing there. Have they did they did they 29:47 29 minutes, 47 seconds ever say what they felt like their intentions were? I mean, just kind of with that thought going going with that, did they ever say we felt like we were 29:54 29 minutes, 54 seconds threatened? We felt uh like it was peaceful or I mean, did they ever say kind of why they felt like they were there and why why it was happening to begin with? 30:04 30 minutes, 4 seconds They only said that they were they had fear in this report. But uh and also 30:12 30 minutes, 12 seconds it's fear mix it with uh a feeling of oh this is fantastic. I I I I never saw 30:21 30 minutes, 21 seconds something so more fantastic than that. I cannot avoid to see that because it's so unbelievable and so wonderful. So, it's 30:30 30 minutes, 30 seconds a mixing of feelings of fear and and and something wonderful. 30:36 30 minutes, 36 seconds Wow. It's it's it's really something. I mean, when just just to because I do want to get to a couple of other things, but this is just such an incredible 30:44 30 minutes, 44 seconds story. And when we kind of take it back a little bit, too. You know, we talk about there's so much that happens in South America that that isn't um you 30:53 30 minutes, 53 seconds know, I think gets that doesn't get the proper attention. And another example of that is what happened in 1997. A name 31:00 31 minutes that you brought up a little while back here was uh Colonel Holland, I believe I'm saying it right, where in 1997 he 31:08 31 minutes, 8 seconds had a similar actually uh event as the the lieutenant colonel that we're talking about where he spoke about how 31:15 31 minutes, 15 seconds they chased down uh had these sightings in the 1970s and chased down these craft and then and you had already mentioned 31:22 31 minutes, 22 seconds it there. Um he was found dead. He was found hung and you know obviously ruled a suicide. Other people say was there 31:30 31 minutes, 30 seconds foul play involved to make it look like a suicide? Of course, that is up for debate. But I mean, so can we connect 31:37 31 minutes, 37 seconds these, maybe not directly, Ron, but can we connect these just as far as the history of the phenomenon in Brazil goes 31:44 31 minutes, 44 seconds where you have that 1997 event with Colonel Holland to now where we're talking about the Lieutenant Colonel, what he said happened in 2008. 31:54 31 minutes, 54 seconds Yeah, this was the most important event in the historic phenomenon in Brazil. It was and again another coincidence the 32:03 32 minutes, 3 seconds colon at the time he was captain but when he came forward he was colono retired uh he spoke 32:12 32 minutes, 12 seconds 20 years also 20 years after the incident. So the events happened in 1977 he came forward in in 1997 32:20 32 minutes, 20 seconds and after that he unfortunately committed suicide. This was very profound because it was the first time a commander came forward to speak directly 32:29 32 minutes, 29 seconds that like this case. Uh he had many incidents with anomalous phenomena. But 32:36 32 minutes, 36 seconds at that time uh the military uh incidents was not with beings. It was only with different shapes of UFOs. Mhm. 32:46 32 minutes, 46 seconds Uh the colonial had experience with beings but after the operation uh he said he was abducted that the beings came and put in an implant on his arm. 32:57 32 minutes, 57 seconds He had an object inside his arm with any any signal of entrance in his skin. And 33:04 33 minutes, 4 seconds he said that he was he he started to see also in his home poltergeist events. 33:11 33 minutes, 11 seconds Things were floating. in his car was turning off and turning on alone and he 33:18 33 minutes, 18 seconds had like this hitchhiker experience after the the operation but during the operation the official documentation we don't have something like this case 33:26 33 minutes, 26 seconds where the military during the military operations had this experiences with the beings itself and written reports about the beings like that this not happened 33:35 33 minutes, 35 seconds in the the operation saucer this is the different but it was a big step to to to to break the stigma about this topic. 33:44 33 minutes, 44 seconds Uh, and it was uh the biggest until now the biggest experience uh the biggest 33:51 33 minutes, 51 seconds thing the history about the phenomen in Brazil. 33:53 33 minutes, 53 seconds Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned the name Operation Saucer uh 1977. So what what did he say about that exactly? Just that 34:00 34 minutes they were like officially investigating UFOs but it had been denied up until that point. 34:06 34 minutes, 6 seconds Yeah, the phenomena affected uh two states in Brazil. uh and even in a minor 34:13 34 minutes, 13 seconds incident a third state so he covered a lot of the area in north of Brazil the mayors of the cities was all desperate 34:22 34 minutes, 22 seconds because the phenomena was sending lights to people in these communities and taking blow from people and this was 34:31 34 minutes, 31 seconds confirmed by exams that people uh did uh in the in these villages and so the 34:39 34 minutes, 39 seconds people were completely in panic The people were traveling to other cities to avoid the phenomena. Even the 34:46 34 minutes, 46 seconds the priests and the police chiefs were also running away from this phenomena. 34:52 34 minutes, 52 seconds So this was the time when the air Brazilian air force needed to go there and and to investigate and this is why operation saucer happened. 35:03 35 minutes, 3 seconds They just had so many lights and so many things showing up that they were trying to figure out what was going on essentially. 35:08 35 minutes, 8 seconds Yeah. And the main fact is that uh these people were affected by these light beings and the blood was taken from 35:17 35 minutes, 17 seconds these people. Many had permanent sequella permanent injuries about these attacks and I I could visit some of the 35:26 35 minutes, 26 seconds families that was affected and they had some type of brain damage together and 35:34 35 minutes, 34 seconds this is why this case became so so alarming for the for this military to go 35:41 35 minutes, 41 seconds there. So, we're talking about physical effects in 1977 that Colonel Holland came out 20 years 35:48 35 minutes, 48 seconds later in 1997 to speak about before his death. Um, to say this is what was going on. We were investigating some type of 35:57 35 minutes, 57 seconds UAP. I know we weren't using the term 97, but some type of UFO phenomenon um interaction with other beings in 1977. 36:06 36 minutes, 6 seconds Like you had so we had physical effects that were medically documented uh for people they were they were getting 36:13 36 minutes, 13 seconds physically affected. You take saying they were taking their blood they have physical effects and everything. 36:19 36 minutes, 19 seconds Yeah. And they were in a state that the red cells were taken from them. They had a deficiency in red cells. 36:26 36 minutes, 26 seconds So they they were anemic and I don't I think the I don't think the the English word is enemy or something like that. 36:34 36 minutes, 34 seconds enemy or something like that is the it's the it's a disease when you had the deficiency in red cells uh and this was 36:42 36 minutes, 42 seconds the main problem there the the people being affected being injured and as I said some some people uh had permanent 36:49 36 minutes, 49 seconds squella at that time we also had animal mutilations that is something that people normally don't don't don't say about this incident 36:56 36 minutes, 56 seconds yeah u and we have a lot of people missing so we have everything happening in this uh area in north of Brazil 37:04 37 minutes, 4 seconds [snorts] I wanna I want to play skeptic real quick, Rooney. Uh because you do have a lot of people obviously who um 37:12 37 minutes, 12 seconds and this isn't to put anybody down. I always I've said here for years on the show, always decide for yourself on what's going on um as as we discuss it. 37:20 37 minutes, 20 seconds But for the people who aren't entrenched in this, who haven't investigated it like you have and spoken to the witnesses and spoken to families, what 37:29 37 minutes, 29 seconds do you say to people who would come back to you and say, "Well, how do you know they're not just making this all up?" Like, how how do you know that this 37:37 37 minutes, 37 seconds isn't just some crazy story to get attention that these military officials are just making this up to maybe get 37:44 37 minutes, 44 seconds back at somebody or to maybe get a book deal or a movie deal? that people are just saying it. It's mass hysteria, so they're they're imagining it. How do you know this is not just being made up? 37:56 37 minutes, 56 seconds Yeah, we have the official reports from the military that telling how the people were affected and describing drownings 38:04 38 minutes, 4 seconds of the craft that they saw. We have many photos that was released. Uh and we have 38:11 38 minutes, 11 seconds the magical testimony, the the the doctors that attended the people. Uh we have the people itself coming forward. 38:18 38 minutes, 18 seconds So we have many many cross testimonies and documentations that if it was for example a murder case it was completely 38:27 38 minutes, 27 seconds resolve it. Uh so but obviously uh we don't have the scientific approach because we don't have the data. For 38:35 38 minutes, 35 seconds example the we have 16 hours of videos that air force never released. Uh we 38:42 38 minutes, 42 seconds have many hundreds of photos that air force never released. So we have this lack of some data part of the the most 38:49 38 minutes, 49 seconds compelling data uh showing for example a video of a craft emerging from the from 38:56 38 minutes, 56 seconds the and becoming illuminated emerging from the from the river from the water and it was never released. So uh we have 39:05 39 minutes, 5 seconds some skeptics talking about that because we don't have the the the most compelling uh material was never 39:14 39 minutes, 14 seconds released. So this is why I have this this conversation of capitates between people their beliefs but as I said we 39:21 39 minutes, 21 seconds have plenty of material in this incident to say something really happened we don't know what happened who was responsible to do that it was something 39:30 39 minutes, 30 seconds human very technological advanced some black budget uh experiment or this was nonhuman phenomena so this is something 39:39 39 minutes, 39 seconds that uh we we we cannot say but if that was something there very strange that affected people and there's no there's no doubt no question about it. 39:50 39 minutes, 50 seconds Yeah. And I think that's one of the main points too um is that we're talking about people over right different cities 39:58 39 minutes, 58 seconds different towns um different parts of Brazil who are not only separated by distance but also by time. What I mean 40:05 40 minutes, 5 seconds by that is when we talk about the events of 1977 versus varia in 1996 versus what 40:13 40 minutes, 13 seconds happened in 2008, the 26 straight days of of events that were taking place. 40:18 40 minutes, 18 seconds You're talking about events over 50 years of time. And it would be to me it would it would be pretty hard to get 40:27 40 minutes, 27 seconds everybody to align over 50 years of testimony on three separate events. So, it seems like something is happening, I 40:35 40 minutes, 35 seconds guess, is what I'm trying to get at. Um, how would you best explain what you've researched here, Rooney? How would you 40:42 40 minutes, 42 seconds best encapsulate this and put this all together for someone who is just hearing about these uh these cases for the first 40:49 40 minutes, 49 seconds time, whether it's since 1977 or 2008, because normally we just hear about Virginia. When it comes to Brazil, the first thing we think about is, oh, Virginia, but then we hear about these. 40:59 40 minutes, 59 seconds So what do we say to people who are just hearing this and they're kind of trying to take it all in like wait this stuff happened? 41:06 41 minutes, 6 seconds Yeah. And including 10 years of the operation saucer we had in is completing right now 30 years this year in May. Uh 41:15 41 minutes, 15 seconds the Brazil was completely invaded by UFOs. We call here the official UFO night where all the military air force 41:23 41 minutes, 23 seconds had to dispatch fighter jets to chase this luminous phenomena. And the 41:30 41 minutes, 30 seconds commander of the air force at that time they he had to do a press conference to say yes we did it. we don't know what is 41:40 41 minutes, 40 seconds and our fighter jets uh could not afford the superior technology of this 41:47 41 minutes, 47 seconds phenomena and he also brought to this press conference all the pilots the pilots were there to say yes I was there 41:54 41 minutes, 54 seconds I chased it was unbelievable I don't know what is so we have in Brazil a long history of of military each 10 years we 42:02 42 minutes, 2 seconds have some case some big incident happening here um and is this unbelievable close encounter. So the phenomena is no doubt his inter Brazil. 42:15 42 minutes, 15 seconds I don't know why. Uh I have a hypothesis that the phenomena itself is controlling its own disclosure because it's 42:23 42 minutes, 23 seconds something something high intelligent that maybe is here for millennials. And I think maybe he's controlling his own 42:31 42 minutes, 31 seconds disclosure and maybe using this Brazilian context because in Brazil we're more transparent. In Brazil, we 42:37 42 minutes, 37 seconds have many many religions here that deal with this spiritual world in the metaphysical. So, we more open. We are 42:45 42 minutes, 45 seconds we are less materialistic maybe than the other nations. I don't know. And we are more open in the military. We are more open in the government to talk about 42:54 42 minutes, 54 seconds that. And certainly the phenomena being intelligent and more maybe more intelligent than us. He knows that. And 43:02 43 minutes, 2 seconds maybe the phenomena choose Brazil. And and I think the phenomena is only happening here because the phenomena wanted to be seen. I don't have any 43:11 43 minutes, 11 seconds explanation to why the phenomenon is appearing to this military um to create this uh this type of behavior of press 43:20 43 minutes, 20 seconds conferences to military needed to coming forward to say what they they they experienc it. Um, so I think the 43:29 43 minutes, 29 seconds phenomena maybe is controlling it and choose Brazil because of the culture, because of the openness. I think maybe 43:36 43 minutes, 36 seconds using Brazil as a tool to to prepare for something um to guide the humanity for something to to maybe to deviate for for 43:45 43 minutes, 45 seconds for some plan the phenomena have good or evil I don't know or neutral I don't know what the plan is but um probably 43:53 43 minutes, 53 seconds using Brazil as a tool to disclose itself and to guide us in in some direction that I don't know what direction is. 44:01 44 minutes, 1 second That's fascinating because I think there is a connection. And I've always thought there's a connection that isn't really brought up a lot when it comes to South 44:09 44 minutes, 9 seconds America, Brazil obviously specifically, but there's a lot from Peru. There's a lot from Chile. Um there's there's a lot 44:16 44 minutes, 16 seconds of different stories, incredible stories like we're talking about here. Of course, you know, I I had on Timothy Alberino here um a few weeks back and we 44:25 44 minutes, 25 seconds spoke about in one instance, we spoke for over two hours, so we spoke about a lot of things, but one of the things that we spoke about was the the face 44:32 44 minutes, 32 seconds peelers. um coming out, you know, that that episode coming out of uh Peru with that instance a few years back. I think 44:38 44 minutes, 38 seconds it was October of 20 2023. So, we hear about these things and now we're we're talking about, you know, physical effects from Operation Saucer that was 44:47 44 minutes, 47 seconds uh you know, investigated in 1977 where people are low on red blood cells. We have the the animal mutilations 44:54 44 minutes, 54 seconds connected with that. So there there seems to be some type of 45:01 45 minutes, 1 second connection or direction or something special and maybe I'm losing my mind, maybe I'm digging way too much into this, but there just has always seemed 45:10 45 minutes, 10 seconds to me that there's something special about South America when it comes to the phenomenon. Do you think I'm way off on that or am I kind of like on the same basis as what you were just saying? 45:19 45 minutes, 19 seconds Yeah, I I I started with a very very nuts and bolts materialistic view. Uh I'm engineer physicist and so I'm I'm I 45:29 45 minutes, 29 seconds was always a science guy. But more and more I dig in this phenomena, more and more I I go to this non materialistic 45:37 45 minutes, 37 seconds view uh in the sense that for example Virginia I believe is connected some some rits some summoning rituals because 45:47 45 minutes, 47 seconds uh if if and this is in my documentary I created a documentary in two years of investigation about Virginia that's the 45:54 45 minutes, 54 seconds uh the dark dark side of UFOs in Brazil power money and rtos because I was just 46:01 46 minutes, 1 second uncovered that all this territory where the Virginia beings appear, they were using for black magic and summoning 46:07 46 minutes, 7 seconds rituals and from very very rich people in Virginia. Uh people that owns almost 46:14 46 minutes, 14 seconds all the land in Virginia and he was not alone. He was studying these summoning rituals with other powerful people in 46:22 46 minutes, 22 seconds the in the region. And we have also in for example not many people know that I think most of people 46:30 46 minutes, 30 seconds don't know that but in stomas this what's the city closer to Virginia in the 60 this city was uh there was a hip 46:39 46 minutes, 39 seconds movement there the all these people uh using psychedelics came to the city and 46:46 46 minutes, 46 seconds they start the movement with alter call it alternate society with famous Brazilian singers in Brazil they created 46:54 46 minutes, 54 seconds wanted to create an alternate reality community there using psychedelics and so on and they also wanted to they 47:01 47 minutes, 1 second founded the the tile here the tile from Alex Cwley uh which is know to try to summon beings and so so on. So 47:10 47 minutes, 10 seconds uh this is I I think we and also in Brazil we have many many places very isolated very preserved nature uh we 47:19 47 minutes, 19 seconds have many many indigenous communities also practicing these these rituals where we have in this Amazon for example 47:26 47 minutes, 26 seconds where I was in 2024 the orbs were visiting the indigenous in inside their houses and they there practice rituals 47:35 47 minutes, 35 seconds with iwaska and other herbs there Um, and we have in Brazil u a lot of 47:42 47 minutes, 42 seconds religions that mixed African and European uh magic rituals to create Brazilian new 47:50 47 minutes, 50 seconds Brazilian religions and this responds at least to uh five to 10 million in Brazil. It's a lot of people practicing 47:58 47 minutes, 58 seconds rituals there. uh and we are starting to see in this phenomena for example u some organizations 48:06 48 minutes, 6 seconds uh like Skywatcher and others doing this summoning the psychic connections to attract the phenomena and I I think for 48:13 48 minutes, 13 seconds us in Brazil this is something together with spiritism with Ubanda and Kandon BL and King Band and other religions that 48:20 48 minutes, 20 seconds we have here plenty of religions um that do this for decades decades long we do this summoning of these entities and And 48:28 48 minutes, 28 seconds I think maybe this is one hypothesis that could explain I don't think it's something alone. I don't think it's only 48:36 48 minutes, 36 seconds this but all this contest together with the openness with the culture and so on may could explain why we have in Brazil 48:44 48 minutes, 44 seconds uh all this phenomena happening here with this uh aggressive connection to people this close encounters and and and 48:52 48 minutes, 52 seconds so on. So this is a very strong hypothesis for me. Yeah, that's fascinating. 48:56 48 minutes, 56 seconds But it was very difficult to accept because as I said, I'm very I was very very nuts and bolts and it was really 49:04 49 minutes, 4 seconds hard to accept, but I don't have any other explanation uh after these years of investigation. 49:10 49 minutes, 10 seconds Incredibly fascinating. I mean, do do you think maybe this isn't the answer to everything, but you mentioned like Alistister Crowley um I mean you 49:19 49 minutes, 19 seconds mentioned some of like you know the the uh ancient rituals that are taking place. Do you think some of this is coming from a a dark place? I mean a an 49:28 49 minutes, 28 seconds an evil place. Do you think some of this is is is evil in nature? With that some of that stuff in mind and again just a 49:34 49 minutes, 34 seconds hypo uh yeah for example if you get the mutilations uh the pattern of the mutilation is very 49:42 49 minutes, 42 seconds very similar to the mutilations that black magic rituals do. The difference is that when you have these anomalous 49:49 49 minutes, 49 seconds mutilations like people say chupacabra and these other beings uh they were completely clean in the way that clear 49:59 49 minutes, 59 seconds cuts without blood. It was the incision was made using a tool and when a human do that it will do in a completely dirty 50:08 50 minutes, 8 seconds way. It will uh stay blood in the in the area. It is you have many many many 50:15 50 minutes, 15 seconds characteristics that you you can say oh it's a human that did it here. So I think sometimes the phenomena is 50:22 50 minutes, 22 seconds influencing people to do for example mutilations the sacrifices for them uh 50:31 50 minutes, 31 seconds these dark forces and sometimes the phenomena itself is coming here uh materializing here and coming here to do 50:39 50 minutes, 39 seconds the service and I think this is one of the hypothes I'm considering and the two ways different ways because when you when the 50:48 50 minutes, 48 seconds phenomena materialize here the families present here it demands energies physics and I don't think this is the most 50:55 50 minutes, 55 seconds economic way for them to come so the most economic way the most uh the the the the main road for them is to maybe 51:05 51 minutes, 5 seconds influence people uh like they did with this military psychic influence put things in the mind putting ideas in the 51:12 51 minutes, 12 seconds mind so maybe the the humans can do something for them without them to need 51:18 51 minutes, 18 seconds to interfere here directly. So maybe I think this is happening. 51:25 51 minutes, 25 seconds Very very interesting. I mean and I think there's a lot of answers to it, but you know it seems like maybe that could be one of the reasons why things 51:32 51 minutes, 32 seconds happen the way that they do uh because of different summoning rituals. It's very possible. Um be before we're done here, Rooney, I did want to bring up 51:39 51 minutes, 39 seconds something two things actually that you mentioned earlier that I want to bring back around. There was something that really piqued my interest when you said 51:46 51 minutes, 46 seconds 10 years after Operation Saucer. So I guess sometime in the 80s there was a different incident where they were chasing the military was chasing UFOs. 51:55 51 minutes, 55 seconds Did I hear you say that right? 51:57 51 minutes, 57 seconds Sorry. Well, the operation saucer you talking about that or uh 10 years after I think you said maybe about somewhere in the Okay. Okay. 52:05 52 minutes, 5 seconds 1986. Okay. 52:07 52 minutes, 7 seconds 1986 May 1926 1986 in May. uh is completing 30 years right now is the official UFO night. 52:17 52 minutes, 17 seconds Official UFO night was this incident completely different from operation saucer where the Brazilian traffic military traffic controllers saw this 52:25 52 minutes, 25 seconds phenomenon invading all the territory of Brazil and all the military air bases had to dispatch fighter jets to chase 52:33 52 minutes, 33 seconds the threat and it's happening in all the territory of Brazil. 52:38 52 minutes, 38 seconds How is this I mean maybe I'm just you know not with it but I like to think that I am. I like to think I keep up on these things, but I don't feel like that 52:46 52 minutes, 46 seconds really gets spoken about. I mean, we're talking about UFO night in Brazil, May 1986, where it's 52:53 52 minutes, 53 seconds literally they're seeing what they interpreted as some type of, you know, invasion possibly where they're now 53:00 53 minutes sending out military jets to respond. I mean, this is an allout effort to respond to something that they're seeing coming in. So, I mean, what what happened here in the end? 53:10 53 minutes, 10 seconds Yeah. In this incident, the phenomena was staying above oil refinery, 53:17 53 minutes, 17 seconds uh, energy generators, uh, military bases. It's like the phenomena was doing, um, 53:25 53 minutes, 25 seconds some search, some research about our infrastructure and and military I think were very 53:32 53 minutes, 32 seconds afraid. This happened also in US right now. the phenomena is always in the nuclear bases in the uh water reservers 53:40 53 minutes, 40 seconds and the phenomena did the same in Brazil in 1986. It's like I think the military maybe can think they were mapping and so 53:49 53 minutes, 49 seconds this could be a threat in the future. So uh this is why the military dispatched the the the fighter jets not only 53:58 53 minutes, 58 seconds because the phenomena was there invading but because of where the phenomena was. 54:04 54 minutes, 4 seconds Right. Right. All right. What did they see? I mean, as far as crafts are concerned, were the were these just kind of like bright lights in the sky? 54:11 54 minutes, 11 seconds Because it almost it almost sounds like the drone incursions over the eastern part of the United States in in late 2024. Um, I mean, did they see lights? 54:20 54 minutes, 20 seconds Did they see actual shape to these things? Did they get low to the ground? 54:23 54 minutes, 23 seconds I mean, what what did witnesses describe then? 54:26 54 minutes, 26 seconds They saw only orbs in different shapes, different sizes, and different colors. 54:33 54 minutes, 33 seconds Okay. So a lot of so luminos luminous bodies. Yes. 54:36 54 minutes, 36 seconds So a lot of different orbs essentially that that were coming down. Um and that was just one night after that those 54:43 54 minutes, 43 seconds those incursions stopped or Yes. It was uh one day it happened during one night. It was why called the 54:51 54 minutes, 51 seconds official UFO night. And the day after that because all the population in in 54:58 54 minutes, 58 seconds most cities of Brazil was able to witness that and it was impossible to hide. So this is why they had to do a press conference about that. 55:09 55 minutes, 9 seconds Right. Are the media more open there when it comes to this or in the military the government? Are they more open to discussing this as you know and and not 55:18 55 minutes, 18 seconds to say that we're not here. It's it's more now than it ever has been. Um, but it's still kind of looked at a little bit with a side eye. It's being taken 55:26 55 minutes, 26 seconds most seriously it's ever been taken here in the United States, but it still kind of gets that, you know, a little like, you know, I'm not sure how to take this 55:33 55 minutes, 33 seconds look by uh some in the national media or by some in the in in the federal government. Is it different there? Is this is this taken more seriously in in 55:42 55 minutes, 42 seconds in Brazil or in South America as a whole? 55:45 55 minutes, 45 seconds Uh much more open than US. I think both the military and also the media more open than us and other parts of the 55:54 55 minutes, 54 seconds world. Uh they treat it very serious and there are waves where they are the 56:01 56 minutes, 1 second commander is more open to release things. There are other time where the commander is not so open to talk about that because he's afraid to open and 56:10 56 minutes, 10 seconds people question and make more and more questions and they don't want that. They don't want to acknowledge that they 56:16 56 minutes, 16 seconds can't protect uh everyone with a phenomena that can invade here all the 56:23 56 minutes, 23 seconds time you want. So we have these waves of uh of openness between different types. 56:31 56 minutes, 31 seconds Yeah. And so I I I'll finish on on this Ro because this has just been um I mean educational I would probably say for 56:38 56 minutes, 38 seconds sure uh fascinating and and super compelling. So, I appreciate the time that you put into this here with us today for for UAP and for everybody 56:45 56 minutes, 45 seconds listening or watching. Um, but I want to go back to something that you said at the beginning that I think is a really important note for the future. You 56:55 56 minutes, 55 seconds mentioned that you're trying to work with people uh to get some of these military officials to work with US officials, whether it be Congress or 57:03 57 minutes, 3 seconds otherwise. Um, what has that process been like for you? And do you feel like that's something that might be able to 57:10 57 minutes, 10 seconds work out to get these officials or your colonels or commanders, whoever it might be, more out into the open um in front 57:18 57 minutes, 18 seconds of more eyes and possibly even United States officials? Is that something that you feel like could take place? 57:26 57 minutes, 26 seconds Yeah. uh Senator Eduardo Jeron from Brazil uh was the responsible to organize the 57:33 57 minutes, 33 seconds last public hearing in Brazil in 2022 and he was last year in US to talk with 57:41 57 minutes, 41 seconds Eric Berles about the Virgin and they did a collaboration to try to u do a 57:50 57 minutes, 50 seconds conversation with the military to try to share data between the two countries and I have contact with Senator 57:57 57 minutes, 57 seconds So I'm preparing a memorandum, a documents about this incident with this military to to send for them and also to 58:05 58 minutes, 5 seconds send I have connections to send then for the US Congress and for US people that could help to to 58:13 58 minutes, 13 seconds uh make this conversation happen in both ways. But logically uh when I pass it to Senator Jiron, he also has a this 58:23 58 minutes, 23 seconds connection with Frederick Bison and they can talk about that also. 58:26 58 minutes, 26 seconds Very good. Um just just incredible stuff, Rooney. And again, I really appreciate you doing this. uh hopefully we can you know stay in touch uh from 58:35 58 minutes, 35 seconds here on out because again like I said at the beginning I I really appreciate your work what you've done in the research field on this and kind of taking that 58:43 58 minutes, 43 seconds you know approach like you say kind of nuts and bolts that that engineering mind um and kind of taking that approach to this to start with and just trying to get the details just try to get as many 58:51 58 minutes, 51 seconds facts as you can and I think that's exactly what we need. Um, I know you have a lot of stuff online, whether it's 58:59 58 minutes, 59 seconds uh uil.com, you have your uh your documentary you spoke about dark side of UFOs in Brazil, money, power, and rituals. So, how can people find more 59:07 59 minutes, 7 seconds about what what you're doing and follow along? 59:10 59 minutes, 10 seconds Yeah. Uh, people can go to my YouTube channel uh in the membership area. I have this document because it's a way to 59:19 59 minutes, 19 seconds to finance all their explorations of their missions in Brazil. Brazil is a continental place like US. Uh it's very expensive to do this travels and so on. 59:29 59 minutes, 29 seconds So people can support my work so I can do another investigations and dig more and more. I'm starting a project to do 59:37 59 minutes, 37 seconds more field explorations in Brazil to get more data with more better equipment. Uh so people want to support my work just 59:45 59 minutes, 45 seconds go there in the my YouTube channel YouTube.comhony and also in X I think in X I spoke more 59:53 59 minutes, 53 seconds in English with people worldwide. It's where I put all the news what's happening in Brazil. So people want to stay tuned about what's happening in 1:00:01 1 hour, 1 second Brazil they can go to to X and that is also my first documentary that is open. 1:00:08 1 hour, 8 seconds It's free for all. It's in YouTube. 1:00:10 1 hour, 10 seconds People can um search for uh phenomena in Amazon, indigenous encounters. So people will find this documentary. 1:00:18 1 hour, 18 seconds It's not in my membership area. As I said, it's free and you can just start watching. It's awesome. 1:00:24 1 hour, 24 seconds Perfect. [snorts] That's great. Anything else that I I wanted to say? I didn't want to step on you with anything. Just, you know, based off what we were talking about. Was there anything else you wanted to put out there before we were 1:00:32 1 hour, 32 seconds done that that you you didn't get to say? 1:00:35 1 hour, 35 seconds No, just thank for the invitation. Um, and I hope we can talk better later because certainly we have news in the 1:00:43 1 hour, 43 seconds the next months. So stay tuned and thank you. 1:00:47 1 hour, 47 seconds Absolutely. Ronnie Bernett, thank you so much for coming on here. It's my pleasure to bring you on and like you said, hopefully we can do it all again soon. Appreciate it. 1:00:55 1 hour, 55 seconds Thank you.