And you see these two orbike uh objects moving in different directions, changing course, and some of them appear to be going under the water and above the
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water. And there seems to be no no impeding impedment to their travel, which is very odd. We have not engineered anything that can do that.
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Seeing technology of unknown origin and potentially operated by nonhuman intelligence, that that to me is enough excitement. So we don't need thousand
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knots or miles per hour travel to make at least me interested. It's just obvious the administration's
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trying to keep something covered up. Uh and and and they're not really doing what they're saying. At least Trump when he says, "I'm going to release everything about aliens and
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extraterrestrials." I I think he's just making a mockery of it all. And uh and it's that's too bad.
Chapter 2: Why the ocean matters to the UAP mystery
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All right. Hey everybody, welcome back to Unveiled. I'm here once again at contact in the desert and joining me is Tim Galedet. It's great to speak with you again. Happy to see you today.
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Glad to see you, Rob. Uh so Tim of course is an oceanographer and retired US Navy rear admiral. And so um your
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field of interest within the UAP realm is primarily around um oceanbased UAPs. Correct.
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Yeah, that's an area I specifically look into, but I also talk generally about government policies. worked in the
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federal government for 36 years and that's a lot of my focus is trying to influence that policy towards controlled disclosure.
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Very important. Um when most people think about UAPs, they probably think about the sky first, but why is the
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ocean such an important part of this puzzle?
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Right. Well, first off, we have observed them being military ships and citizens uh UFOs going in and out of the ocean.
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And I've talked to former military submarine officers who have seen objects on sonar moving faster than anything we
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have seen or own or operate. And so so anomalous objects underwater. So those are two data points to say okay they're
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in the ocean too. And then uh and then but think about the fact that most of the ocean is unexplored. 10% of the
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ocean volume has been monitored with drones and remotely operated vehicles and only about uh 27% of the sea floor
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has been mapped to modern standards. So that's a large chunk of the ocean bottom and volume that we know nothing about.
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And we know that UAP tend to want to basically remain mostly unhidden and that the their interactions with people
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are somewhat subdued. And you know there's nothing landing on the White House lawn right now saying we want to have a relationship. So when you combine
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those those data points all together, it points to the fact that where are they where are they occupying most of their time when they're not being observed by individuals? Well, it might very well be the ocean.
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Do you see the ocean as more of a convenient hiding spot for them or is it more of like a base of operations in your opinion?
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Well, right. I don't know. We don't know. At least at unclassified level and I've been never read into any UAP programs when I was did have I do have
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clearance and did have it in the government. I I know none of none of that has been released or acknowledged to me about operating bases or or even
Chapter 3: Is ocean exploration harder than space travel?
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their operation and observation in the ocean. But so so I can't say I know with certainty, but again that's what I just lined up for you is there there is a
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likelihood and a line of thought that that's could be where they they are and reside. And if that's the case, then we should be monitoring our oceans much more.
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Is it more difficult to monitor the oceans than it is to monitor the sky?
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Uh yeah, 100%. by the way, because I know ocean explorers who've been in submersibles and of course my wife is a Navy Navy diving officer and I am a
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scuba diver and ocean conditions are are even even more I think challenging than space. So first of all we again know
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little about the ocean. We've mapped the surface of moon the moon and Mars to a higher resolution than the seafloor of our ocean. Two it's it's just a very
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difficult uh region to operate because of the pressure and and then ocean currents. There's there's weather in the ocean just like in the atmosphere with
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currents and of course sea state and and tides and and then the seabed has a lot of dynamics with respect to what they call play tectonic. So it's a very
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hazardous place to operate and be and and that's why submarine training is is is so exacting. Uh there's a really
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interesting uh story it's in my book by the way. I have a book coming out.
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called Holding Fast in Heavy Seas and it's just my leadership journey both in the federal government and then after as I work in this whole UAP space and what
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in that book I tell a story about meeting Scott Carpenter who was a NASA astronaut and he's famous because he was not only an astronaut going into space
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but he was also an aquinaut on the sea lab missions in I think the late60s and I asked him I had a chance to meet him and I asked him a question about how he
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compared exploration in space compared to the ocean and He he said that it was night and day. He says space, you know, the missions are over in a flash. You're
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on a rocket, blasts off, everything's very exciting and dramatic. And he and he kind of contrasted that with the ocean. And he had these long weeks,
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these weeks long missions in in the sea lab under pressure and things break in the ocean and things broke on sea lab
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and he just said it was very difficult and demanding. Yeah, you hear that also with um you know the the life that you find in the ocean like people can
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describe some creatures as alien because you know it's it is um an environment that is very difficult to live in deep
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ocean uh with all that pressure and everything and so it's interesting that you make those parallels to space because there are so many mysteries and
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unknowns associated with our our ocean you know not just related to to UAP but also like sea life and and and different things.
Chapter 4: What “transmedium” UAP really means
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Absolutely. In fact, when I was the acting administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, that's Noah, America's top ocean agency,
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we were finding new species in the ocean every year. And some of them weren't just little microbes, they were large coral colonies that had never been
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discovered. In one instance in Antarctica, we discovered a new species of killer whale. Uh, think about that. That's a that's what they call megapana.
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And here hiding in the Antarctic and never before seen by humans.
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Wow. So the term trans medium gets thrown around a lot when it comes to UAPs. What does that mean exactly?
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Well, yeah. So your colleague Darcy Weir made this fantastic production I was proud to be a part of and trans medium was in the title and that just refers to
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and this is interesting uh objects going from atmosphere to the ocean and back or or even space to the atmosphere. So you
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have different mediums that these craft obviously can operate in and we don't have technology that can do that very
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well. In fact, the recent Pentagon UFO file release included this very interesting video of a submarine, and
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you see these two orbike uh objects moving in different directions, changing course, and some of them appear to be going under the water and above the
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water, and there seems to be no no impeding impediment to their travel, which is very odd. We have not engineered anything that can do that.
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So, that that's another characteristic of UAP that we're just only beginning to discover.
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Right. And so you mentioned those u UFO document releases from the Pentagon.
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Those two seem to be much more focused on aerial phenomena than you know sea phenomena. Um is there a reason for
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that? Is that just because it is so much more difficult to document um like UAPs underwater or around the water? like why
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do you think there's a lack of representation for those types of of Well, I don't know because it's only been a few files released and I was not
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involved in the decision- making and and I personally don't think that uh that effort so far is really forthcoming. All
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the metadata is redacted. Uh we're not really getting information that's going to help us say one thing or another.
Chapter 5: Why Pentagon releases focus on aerial UAP
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Certainly nothing conclusive. uh and but ultimately most of the data for undersea systems and so objects under the water those those systems just like spy
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satellites are highly classified. I I do not expect us to release anything about underwater UFOs uh at least data uh in
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the near future if ever because submarine operations are so tightly classified and that's a area of of military dominance we do not want to
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lose. So how do we go about studying this phenomena in the water if it's attached to so much classified
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information? Is it something that needs to be done by third parties? Yeah. So well shoot there. So just because
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submarines uh are are class all their work is classified in their data. Uh again I was I was in charge of Noah. We
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have ships and we have submersibles and remotely operated vehicles that are out underway in our oceans uh monitoring and
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discovering new new new science. And so that that's what I've recommended. I've recommended that our our ocean agencies being Noah and the Naval Oceanographic
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Office and potentially the Office of Naval Intelligence use all their assets, at least the unclassified ones, to not
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just look at ocean science, but add UAP or USOS to their list of scientific objectives. In fact, I've written the
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White House several times, the Office of Science and Technology Policy. The current director of that is Michael Catios and he was chief technology
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officer during Trump's first term and I work with him closely to advance a number of ocean S&T initiatives that we led and now I've written letters to him
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to advocate for that for ocean uh for UAPs and and specifically UAPs in the oceans to be a national research
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objective and priority. Uh he's not written me back. Uh we'll again see what Trump really does with respect to policy
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changes. Uh and if if he if he if he means what he says, he's going to make UAP research a top priority and
Chapter 6: Studying USOs despite classified military data
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articulate that in a an executive order, I would hope. Um, we tend to focus on
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the more dramatic pieces of evidence, I think, and that would include UAPs that exhibit that transmedium capability,
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like going into the water, coming out of the water, but um are those kind of overemphasized? Should we we be looking
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at um perhaps less uh less dramatic footage of UAPs staying in a single
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place for prolonged periods of time underwater um exhibiting different types of behavior that aren't as exciting maybe to the average person? Well, yes.
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I I think all instances of observations at UAP are interesting and not necessarily dramat dramatic or or otherwise really seeing technology of
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unknown origin and potentially operated by nonhuman intelligence that that to me is enough excitement. So we don't need
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thousand knots of or miles per hour travel to make at least me interested.
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What kind of data is the most useful for tracking UAPs underwater? um like for example sonar, radar, like what type of
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information is is actually of most value.
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Well, anything that can help us understand their nature better in terms of their movement and and the and how they do it, the engineering behind it.
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So, any data is valuable in terms of their speed. For example, I've talked to three sub former submarine officers who've seen objects exceeding 80 knots,
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80 80 or 90 miles per hour, which again, to the best of my knowledge, we don't that's not a rout that's not a
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technology we have a great deal of. We might be able to experiment to that degree, but not not routinely see that.
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And so that that's I would like to know how how those craft operate. So any data on their movement like in the atmosphere right angle turns we don't have objects
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other than helicopters that can do that kind of and then then but not that show have a structure without flight control surfaces or any means of propulsion.
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Yeah, that's another thing. I mean, in when looking at UAPs in the sky, we're talking about uh observing means of propulsion, uh no flight surfaces, as
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you said. Is it the same type of thing that we're witnessing underwater or like what are the differences when comparing UAPs to aircraft versus comparing UAPs to submersible craft?
Chapter 7: Sonar evidence and extraordinary underwater speeds
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Yeah. Well, that's just it's so hard. so much more difficult in the ocean because all the most you can really do is uh certainly at the ranges that uh we in
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terms of the distances from any observing platform that we typically are interested in and come into contact with these which again aren't often we need
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sonar to do it. You can use optics underwater but but it's relatively short ranges. So that's a possibility. Uh there's an interest there's a very
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accomplished diver named Scott Castle who has um recorded I believe video. I
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don't know if he possesses it but I know he's observed UAP in the water and he's he's seen them with his optically uh and
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so that that is a possibility for detection. But generally our platforms are are in a way that we we find things at longer range uh and because it's so
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infrequent that that happens. in the three times that I've I've heard of it, it's objects that are, you know, probably hundreds of yards away and in each case exceeding 80 miles per hour.
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So that's that's notable. And with sonar, you really can't do you can't perceive the structure very much. Uh
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there is high resolution sonar that can do that. You might have seen pictures on the on the sea floor of shipwrecks that are fairly highly resolved. So that
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that's a possibility. Uh again, the range, the effective range of sonar, that very high frequency sonar isn't great. You're talking tens of yards
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probably, but that is a way to potentially uh characterize the structure of a underwater UAP or USO.
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Do you think that evidence might exist out there that may have been ignored because people weren't looking for
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anything in particular? you know, when it comes to uh anomalous uh phenomena in the ocean, like if you're if you're
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doing studies and something weird happens, but that's not focus the focus of your study, could that have been just kind of like brushed aside and ignored?
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Yeah. Yeah, I think so. In fact, there's a story in Richard Dolan's book, History of USOS Volume One, where the a Navy
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ship uh that was did what my ships used to do, hydrographic surveying, so making maps of the seafloor with sonar. The
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ship was it was right after World War II, 1946 or seven, and they were surveying an area in the Pacific. So
Chapter 8: Could ocean anomalies have been overlooked?
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mapping the seafloor and then at some point a the sonar read a very shallow large object and then then they retraced
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their track and the object was gone and and so that's an anomaly right there and and the object they really couldn't detect how fast it was going but that's
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that's was that was reported but again it was it was treated as noise basically and that's how it is today. I think we
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find anomalies in sonar data and any and a lot of ocean scientific data collection and and that's what I I'm recommending the White House do is
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direct the ocean agencies to not filter out that noise but actually make that data and not make the anomalies uh targets for research.
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I've spoken to several people about um UAPs and and gotten theories that, you know, these these are
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things that are around potentially all the time but not always visible.
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Um and so that UAPs are not necessarily a rare event but just rarely seen, right?
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Is there evidence that that's the the same in in the ocean? Uh no, there's not a great deal of it.
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But but again because there's so it's the ocean's so uh little it's it's so under sampled that that in itself let
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alone UAPs or anomalies in the ocean. So it's just hard to say. However, it it what you're addressing is a theory and
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that is that these objects potentially are interdimensional and so they're showing up from another dimension when they want to a time and place of their
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choosing. And it it would if that's occurring in the atmosphere, there's nothing about that theory that would make it different in the ocean.
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Yeah.
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Um the like on the I guess as an extension of that also there's there's been cases where certain multiple people
Chapter 9: Are UAP interdimensional?
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have been viewing the same thing and seeing different things. Right.
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Right. So I mean I know like as you mentioned like it's kind of like as above so below. I would imagine it's the same case with um you know oceanbased
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phenomena although admittedly as we've been saying less people observing so probably uh a much rarer instance.
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Yeah. Exactly. Exactly right. And and that it's just going to be a tougher problem to study in the ocean. But if we could find evidence of that and in
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witness accounts seeing something but different perceptions by individuals that'd be that'd be more data to validate and re and understand this an enigmatic phenomena.
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What are you hoping to see disclosed next from uh from the department of war?
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They're promising more documents to be to be released. Do you have any hopes?
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Well, I I have experience. says, "You know, I was a I was a political appointee in Trump's first term, and I don't I don't expect much. He likes to
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fire for effect. Whether you like him or not, that's just true." And I I believe he's doing the same thing here. He's very pleased that there's a billion hits
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to the Department of War website. He loves attention. Can't can't argue that.
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Uh but what I see with the data currently, all the redacted video. And then then there was this example of the Lake Hiron UFO shootown. And it's widely
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known that that was not a UFO. It was a spy balloon. And you could see it in the video. You see the trailing line that's coming from the balloon. Why do they
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label it as a UFO shootown? So they're not being totally forthright there. And that leads me, personally, it will lead
Chapter 10: What will the government disclose next?
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a lot of people to discredit the entire release. Well, there's been many uh many pieces of evidence in the release that
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were quickly debunked by people online and it it you know it it begs the question like why were they included in the first place if they were so easy to
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debunk? Didn't somebody within you know the the CIA weren't they capable of determining what these things were?
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Yeah, exactly right. They they I know without a doubt that that the government has much more high resolution data that
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video and images that that show objects that are clearly not human. You can look at them. You look at the structure and
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and we don't possess technology like that. And it's it's in the imagery. It's technology. So that that and and that was not that was not released. There's
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nothing. You can see there's ambigu ambiguity ambiguity in every one of the the videos really. So I I and I think
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that was deliberate. Uh he's teasing us all and and uh Robert Pow Powell who is the SCU scientific coalition of UAP
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studies director he uh posted about this and he called it theater and I have to agree with him and it goes even farther because then
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there was that aliens.gov campaign which you know was like a tease and got a people a little bit excited
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and then you know it was not exactly what it was portrayed to be.
Chapter 11: Images of technology “clearly not human”
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And that that that uh that ruffle feathers here at this contact in the desert because there are experiences
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here experiencers here and that was basically make mocking them and uh and that's a shame. It's really a shame
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and it sends mixed messages because there are so many people in the government who seem to be earnestly going for the the truth. Um but
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obviously you know it is not one you know homogeneous kind of like organization with one goal. It's many different people with many different
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agendas right um but overall how does how much do uh things like that harm the the initiative to dis to disclose
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information and be transparent? Yeah, significantly because it's just obvious the administration's trying to keep something covered up. Uh
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and and and they're not really doing what they're saying. At least Trump when he says, "I'm going to release everything about aliens and extraterrestrials." I I think he's just
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making a mockery of it all. And and it's that's too bad because there's something there there. That's why we're here at this conference.
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Former government officials like me seeking the truth about this topic and and not making fun of it in any way. And I believe I believe that's what president's doing.
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I know this might be difficult to answer uh or maybe it's just speculation but do you think that other countries are approaching this in a different way in
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in in terms of studying this phenomena whether it be in the sky or in the ocean?
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There they are. Uh and so for example at the first UAP hearing that included I think that he was a deputy director of
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naval intelligence Scott Bray someone I've worked with closely in the Pentagon. He he he said that yes, China has the equivalent of a UAP task force.
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Okay, there's that. We know from Jacques Bla's experiences he's visited the Soviet Union, Russia, and now uh and he
Chapter 12: Is the government undermining disclosure?
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he has talked to scientists who who've researched the phenomena there. And now just recently, and this is interesting because I I I'm going to take a little credit here on behalf of the Soul
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Foundation, we engaged the government of Japan and their diet, the parliament in Japan over the last two years. and uh
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one of the uh one of their members has been leader on this effort and he uh has finally encouraged the prime minister's office to establish what they're going
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to call I believe a UAP command center to coordinate investigation and response to sightings. What they did is I think they looked at the administration uh
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addressing UAP and our and our Congress which deserves a lot of applause for what the members of the House and Senate
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have been doing for the UAP disclosure act and bringing forth these videos. I think 52 or six of them were directly in
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response to congressional requests for the Department of War to release them.
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That's good. and and so uh and now it looks like Japan's following suit and that that's a good thing too because obviously the UAP don't follow national
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boundaries or borders and so why not work together in a in a international collaborative way team the resources and
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and and learn more and and so and and I was pleased I was actually interviewed for one of the Japanese uh journals
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called the Liberty and it it came out this week and it's a it's a good interview. I'm pretty proud of it.
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Well, that's good to hear. Ultimately though, do you think all of the power rests with the United States to start get getting the ball rolling to like,
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you know, have have this transparency about disclosure or could another country be the one to hit that first domino and create the the ripple effect that gets all this information out?
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Possibly. I don't think it will. The US is a is a world leader on on so many areas and in so many areas and I and I
Chapter 13: How other countries are investigating UAP
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and that's and I'm proud of that. when I led a lot of ocean related issues at Noah uh that that's I knew that we had
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that we had that gravitas and the the capability of US agencies which have much more resources than any others around the world. So I mean I led
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efforts on coral reef conservation uh applying AI to ocean research and discovery uh a lot of work on ocean
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exploration and discovery with remotely operated vehicles and drones and and among number of other things. It was all USled work but with partners and I think
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it really needs to be us again in in the pole position for this because other countries look to us for leadership.
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That's just the way it is and how how we have it's it's just been the nature of the postw World War II order. Uh and even you can debate what this
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administration is doing with respect to international agreements, NATO, etc. But it that's not going to even if that
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might be a a draw down in diplomacy, it does doesn't negate our status as a world leader. So in UAP, I think it has
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to happen. U you mentioned AI use in um researching the the UAP in the ocean.
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Can you go into a little bit more detail about that? What are some of the applications that could be developed or used? I'm I'm really interested in how AI can be utilized in this respect
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because you know who knows like we might be uh using AI to research AI if that is
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indeed what these UAP are the source of them.
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Yeah that's that's a very good point Rob. Uh ultimately AI is being used to research and study the ocean in a huge way. I again I advanced a lot of that at Noah. So one example is our drone fleet.
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So we have all types of drones that on the surface underwater, some are hybrid and and aerial drones that that map and
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monitor ocean conditions. And so we grew our drone fleet to do just that. And then then that's autonomy. That's the that's that the autonomous system part
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of AI. Other types of AI algorithms uh are um machine learning and machine learning applications are being used to
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characterize uh coral reef uh coral reefs and whether and help restore them knowing different types of corals and
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their uh their morphology if you will and being able to monitor them from time to time and uh and that's just two examples. We're using AI and predictive
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models and that's very important like like rip current prediction as well as ocean uh currents and and that's those
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are useful in managing fisheries for for example and AI is being used for weather models and ocean models to help not only
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save lives and and help make ships become more efficient and uh and again for for sort of coastal areas uh when
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hazardous conditions occur be able to warn citizens. AI is used being used for all that. So we can apply the same kind
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of applications in monitoring for not only ocean conditions but UAP in the ocean.
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And I would imagine that it's also useful in you know not having to send people down into deep ocean conditions
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which can be dangerous and stuff like that.
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Exactly. In fact that's so Robert Ballard who discovered the Titanic. He's a good friend of mine. He wrote the forward of my book. I'm really happy
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about that. He uh he used these remotely operated vehicles uh which are AI, they're semi-autonomous to go discover
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the Titanic and since then he has had a ship called the Nautilus sailing all around the world to use uh those ROVs
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for the same purpose and then you can take the data the large quantities of video data and use AI to mine that those
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those repositories for certain elements for research. So rather than just having an observer go through hours and hours of video, you apply a machine learning
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algorithm for example, and then you can pick out all the areas of interest, whether it be again coral reefs or maybe the seafloor or shipwrecks, and now you
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can be more efficient and selective and effective in in your your research.
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One final question because I know we've uh we're almost out of time. If you could design the ultimate research program for this, what would it look like?
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That's a great question. I and I would love to do it by the way if someone would pay me. Uh but ultimately it would
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be it would be using or developing what I would call a a multi-system all domain network and it would involve from
Chapter 15: Designing the ultimate USO research program
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satellites in space to the seafloor and we have elements of that already. We just have not coordinated them to to conduct this kind of research. So we
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would be we'd be having drones in every domain. So near the in the atmosphere, near the ocean surface, drones on the
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ocean surface, under the surface, uh all communicating with each other and in a way that that they they their behavior
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is optimized. And this is already occurring in in different ways in small scales where for example, you'll take a surface drone. Noah's done this. I work
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with them and the contractor they hired where the drone is using sonar to map uh the seabed and and the volume
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underneath. And then when it finds something of interest, maybe a school of fish, maybe a shipwreck, maybe some really neat marine geology, then that
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that asset will communicate to other drone to drone other drones to basically swarm the object and characterize it at
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a high resolution. So rather than just all mow the lawn, you can optimize your use of drones and satellites and chips
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uh to character to really target and explore and investigate items of interest. That's conceivably if we had the right resources, we could do that for us.
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Well, hopefully we can get that done with that. Let's get it done.
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I'm sure I'm sure that the information would be fascinating.
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Yeah, that's that's the direction I'm going. We'll see if we can pull it off.
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Awesome. Well, the oceans are are interesting enough even without the UAP topic, but just add that on on top and you know, it's it's pretty irresistible.
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There's so many questions to be answered.
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Right on, Rob. Thanks for what you're doing. Yeah, really appreciate your time, Tim.
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It's great to meet you in person and uh thanks everybody for watching. Thank you for to contact in the desert for having me here and allowing me to conduct these interviews. And also thank you to my
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filming partner Darcy Weir. Please check out OULT journeys. All of his great films uh that are available, many of them for free. So check those out and I'll see you guys next time.